The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiivar86]

The Titans have always been a bit odd to me. For being seemingly benevolent, they've also been portrayed as uncaring at times, like how Algalon talked about how he's seen countless planets and their inhabitants get annihilated simply because they went awry from their plans. They're awfully content with their automated systems handling things regardless of context.

Also I do wonder just what Iridikron plans for the Titans anyway. They're leagues above him even now.

[Makabreska]

The Titans have always been a bit odd to me. For being seemingly benevolent, they've also been portrayed as uncaring at times, like how Algalon talked about how he's seen countless planets and their inhabitants get annihilated simply because they went awry from their plans. They're awfully content with their automated systems handling things regardless of context.

Also I do wonder just what Iridikron plans for the Titans anyway. They're leagues above him even now.

Titans simply think on a galactic scale and they are not necessary benevolent, just want to shape the cosmos in their image. If the planet is infected, re-originate it. They are waging a cosmic war against the Void and simply don't have time/willingness to think about the collateral. But azerothians seemed to change this way of thinking (or maybe not, we shall see in TLT).

[Nymrohd]

Class set tokens from legacy raids (Shadowlands and earlier) are now Warbound and can be transferred to characters on the account.

I'm speechless

Literally I read that and my mouth just slacked

[justwatching]

Man they sure are taking their time with those Rogue and Shaman trees.

[Darkarath]

Legacy tier sets obtainable by any class let's goooo!!

Now make legacy raid and dungeon achievements account-wide and perfection will be achieved.

[Foolicious]

Class set tokens from legacy raids (Shadowlands and earlier) are now Warbound and can be transferred to characters on the account.

Rejoice! Best change they ever made.

Still no shaman talents though.
Thankfully some huge mage and demo lock changes. This never happens

The Titans have always been a bit odd to me. For being seemingly benevolent, they've also been portrayed as uncaring at times, like how Algalon talked about how he's seen countless planets and their inhabitants get annihilated simply because they went awry from their plans. They're awfully content with their automated systems handling things regardless of context.

Also I do wonder just what Iridikron plans for the Titans anyway. They're leagues above him even now.

I don't think iridikron plans on fighting the titans 1v6. It's pretty clear he is preparing a trap for them. It's not too far fetched to think that he will use their own prisons against them somehow. If they can bind the continent sized old gods they can probably imprison a titan too. Or maybe he creates a big void portal with the sunwell and flushes them down the drain when they arrive.

[Eldryth]

I'm not sure we can read too much into the titan prison logo just yet. It's plausible for it to be tied to the Worldsoul, but Iridikron is sure to be a major character in TLT himself (whether it's as a villain or ally, his story is all about the Titans' return and his lair is in Northrend)- it could just be his prison.

[Cheezits]

They literally go over the dragons coming up with it, designing it, building it, testing it, and then putting the incarnates into it in the war of the scaleborn novel.

It's 100% dragon through and through.

And The Last Titan logo has one of the prison bubbles... so...

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I'm not sure we can read too much into the titan prison logo just yet. It's plausible for it to be tied to the Worldsoul, but Iridikron is sure to be a major character in TLT himself (whether it's as a villain or ally, his story is all about the Titans' return and his lair is in Northrend)- it could just be his prison.

Yeah, it could be a nod to Iridikron, but Azeroth being in one of those things just makes way too much sense.

I wouldn't take too much stock in the book as they wouldn't spoil things. Plus the titan traps for the old gods look incredibly similar. The heart of azeroth chamber even LOOKS like an old god trap.

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I will be honest I didn't know there was any lore on the Vault so I'm glad it finally got covered in some way. It didn't really feel like an actual lore location until the final room.

[Raetary]

Great transmog change.

Archon is finally up, and it sounds like Apotheosis but on steroids.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And The Last Titan logo has one of the prison bubbles... so...

It does and it's also the Expan Iridikron who was kept in one is going to show back up and be a main focus....so...

[Cheezits]

It does and it's also the Expan Iridikron who was kept in one is going to show back up and be a main focus....so...

Why would Iridikrons symbol be the thing he was in for two seconds of the first raid of the expansion, that only happened before he was an established character?

That's like Illidan's symbol being a big green crystal.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Why would Iridikrons symbol be the thing he was in for two seconds of the first raid of the expansion, that only happened before he was an established character?

That's like Illidan's symbol being a big green crystal.

Because his whole character is defined by 3 things, being a rock dragon, hating the titans, being locked up. Of those 3 things the pirson is the only one with a striking visual to put on a logo.

[Raetary]

Because his whole character is defined by 3 things, being a rock dragon, hating the titans, being locked up. Of those 3 things the pirson is the only one with a striking visual to put on a logo.

They put it on the logo because its literally titan tech and floating gyroscopic machinery is the titans thing.

No soul is gonna connect that imagery with Iridikron.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

They put it on the logo because its literally titan tech and floating gyroscopic machinery is the titans thing.

No soul is gonna connect that imagery with Iridikron.

Could be retconned to be so, but as of now it's all dragon based.

[THEORACLE64]

They literally go over the dragons coming up with it, designing it, building it, testing it, and then putting the incarnates into it in the war of the scaleborn novel.

It's 100% dragon through and through.

Yet it’s been used and seen elsewhere. The dragons are really infused with Titan power/magic - it literally isn’t a far leap at all to imagine their ideas are the same.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yet it’s been used and seen elsewhere. The dragons are really infused with Titan power/magic - it literally isn’t a far leap at all to imagine their ideas are the same.

Sure there Ideas could be the same but at the moment all we actually know is that the logo is the prison that the dragons came up with designed and built all on there own with no titan or even keeper involvement.

[Nymrohd]

I do wish we could have seen what the Vault story was supposed to be; I somewhat feel it was cut down. I think the story should have gone Waking Shore>Ohn'ahran Plains>Thaldrazsus>Azure Span

i'd have fully removed the Oathstone part because it ended up doing nothing. We never found out why the Mother Oathstone failed to respond. Instead Thaldrazsus aside from the rebels and the Bronze story we'd have gotten the Tyrhold quests as part of leveling with Alex trying to find a way to rekindle their power and being proactive about it, using the Silver Shard herself instead of randomly presenting it to us as a gift. Then at the end of the Azure Span questline we find out Vakthros was a facility built by Malygos to concentrate the ley lines of the Dragon Isles so they could power the Vault (which is the actual use of the Tower but you only find it out from doing a specific achievement). Then we get the quest where Kalec informs the others and this leads us to the Vault. Then I'd actually have some mobs in the area around the Vault so it can serve as an additional Elite World Quest area/Storm area.

[JDBlou]

Sure there Ideas could be the same but at the moment all we actually know is that the logo is the prison that the dragons came up with designed and built all on there own with no titan or even keeper involvement.

"Following Raszageth's imprisonment in the Reach, the black and bronze dragonflights worked together with the titanforged to create a prison to hold the other three Primal Incarnates."

Emphasis mine

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Vault_of_the_Incarnate
And more specifically it's described in War of the Scaleborn, chapter 16 (Citation [2] on the web page,)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

"Following Raszageth's imprisonment in the Reach, the black and bronze dragonflights worked together with the titanforged to create a prison to hold the other three Primal Incarnates."

Emphasis mine

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Vault_of_the_Incarnate
And more specifically it's described in War of the Scaleborn, chapter 16

Ya it's in war of the scaleborn they don't work with any titanforged of note they just have those stones dudes following orders through out the whole of the book, before any work or even the idea of the prisons are brought up Tyr is already dead and the other keepers stopped talking to the dragons.

[JDBlou]

Ya it's in war of the scaleborn they don't work with any titanforged of note they just have those stones dudes following orders through out the whole of the book, before any work or even the idea of the prisons are brought up Tyr is already dead and the other keepers stopped talking to the dragons.

My point being it's more presumptive to assume there's no titanic influence in the prison orbs than to assume there is.