The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makorus]

Story need meaningful loses like Broken Shore to progress and remain interesting.

Literally since BfA we had too many fake ones - like defeating Mekkatorque-- oh wait he escaped, maybe Jain-- nope, Azshara? Escaped. Literally all interesting stuff happening in 8.3 - N'zoth Illusion. Then SL/DF was either completely new lore (Shadowland realms, Primalists) and when once we dealt with someone we knew - Sylvanas... she didn't die either. We only got to N'zoth and even that is contested pretty often by community, cause happened in weird nightmare realm, not him on Azeroth attacking places we know.

And it was same other way. What important good guy died since 7.0? And it was literally 8 years ago.



They said that? That would be step back for me. Jesus, every time I hope they are going full in with account wide stuff..

To clarify, because I left some context out: individual raid achievements will still contribute to the warband-meta achievement. It's just that they will show up as uncompleted on alts.

I honestly don't see the issue? Their reasoning is solid even if the example wasn't the greatest: If someone wants to re-do an achievement for whatever reason, they should be able to. There's no negative issue for any alts.

Whole post here: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com...rbands-preview

I know people will be upset because it seems like anything but 100% shared is not good enough, but I can agree with the majority of their reasoning.

[Hitei]

dagran looks like a soyboy, and you can bet that at least one of the devs looks like that

This isn't even accurate within the confines of dumb buzzwording. If anything he's 80s style classically nerdy.

[Cherry123]

dagran looks like a soyboy, and you can bet that at least one of the devs looks like that

You say that as if he is something new. We literally don't have a single male character like Garrosh or Varian anymore. And static characters like Turalyon are thrown out of the story because he doesn't fit the agenda. Enjoy the whining Anduin and nerdy dwarf

[Dracullus]

Yeah but I think that that's how it works today for those achievements. The hope was that all of them will be ''blue''. Minor complaint about a wonderful system I guess, but it just does not make much sense to me. Same with the restrictions about not being able to collect other classes tier sets. Do not see the point about that limitation.

Yep. I simply don't want see ANY difference - not only meaningful - when I switch from main to alt. It's like reputations from DF and reputations in TWW - in DF beside few recipes it didn't matter on which character you got renown, but in TWW it TRULY won't matter.

So if they keep 'mark' on some achiev on which character it was done, my completionist nature will still want to do it on main. Cause I don't think anyone cares about achievement points, people do achievs for completion or specific rewards, otherwise they ignore them.

And they are sticking to character based professions. Of course no one promised us account-wide system there for 11.0, but still I don't have freedom there on my chars with established professions, cause any change would erase my progress in old expansions.

I honestly don't see the issue? Their reasoning is solid even if the example wasn't the greatest: If someone wants to re-do an achievement for whatever reason, they should be able to. There's no negative issue for any alts.

If someone wants to repeat ANYTHING in game - boss, quest, achievement - there should be way to do it, not only with alts. Everything should be for account, but everything should be possible to repeat infinitely. As I wrote somewhere before, I would make account wide even stuff like quests and story campaigns.

Of course don't get me wrong, it's not important issue. It's just dissapointing someone always stoping them from going full in.

[Nathanyel]

They just had to make him look like that.
Probably based on one of the developers. They're so narcissistic.

What? They just made him a bit dorky-looking so he looks like a Dwarven teenager. Works better Durak just being a smaller adult Orc.

This isn't even accurate within the confines of dumb buzzwording. If anything he's 80s style classically nerdy.

Exactly, he's way too nerdy to be a self-insert even for a nerdy developer, just as Nathanos was written as too much of an asshole to be a realistic self-insert for Danuser.

[Sondrelk]

What? They just made him a bit dorky-looking so he looks like a Dwarven teenager. Works better Durak just being a smaller adult Orc.

The new Dagran model just oozes personality. You can tell at just a glance what kind of person he is, which is more than what most character models in WoW gets.

[Nymrohd]

Radiant song got me thinking of the first ones. ^^'

Honestly it definitely feels similar to when Saezurah was communicating with us.

[Reive]

This isn't even accurate within the confines of dumb buzzwording. If anything he's 80s style classically nerdy.

epic paint skills aside, you got the point lol

[Echil46]

Hero talents are nothing more than an extension of the talent system

Yes. and No. They're talents, yeah. But the fact that they are shared between two specs, and that they supposedly dwelve deep into ONE aspect of the class, leaves them wide open to be complete failure for some people.
If you're a fury warrior and like the raw aspect of spaming your keys to hit faster, the mountain thane which remixes your spells and adds thunderclap (hence less "hit" and more "magic"), might not be your thing. And the "let's go back to whirlwind" might not suit you either. In which case you'll either go Arms (but if your kink is hitting faster and you don't like Slayer, chances are you won't like Colossus. What's left ? changing classes.

So yeah they're an extension of the talent system, but they're also a narrowing of the class gameplay / fantasy.

[Nymrohd]

The new Dagran model just oozes personality. You can tell at just a glance what kind of person he is, which is more than what most character models in WoW gets.

I do want to see him together with Arator given they were described as good friends. But I think his more natural interaction will be with his uncle Brann.

[allegrian]

Do we have music in the alpha? didn't see any post about it.

[Makorus]

Yep. I simply don't want see ANY difference - not only meaningful - when I switch from main to alt. It's like reputations from DF and reputations in TWW - in DF beside few recipes it didn't matter on which character you got renown, but in TWW it TRULY won't matter.

So if they keep 'mark' on some achiev on which character it was done, my completionist nature will still want to do it on main. Cause I don't think anyone cares about achievement points, people do achievs for completion or specific rewards, otherwise they ignore them.

And they are sticking to character based professions. Of course no one promised us account-wide system there for 11.0, but still I don't have freedom there on my chars with established professions, cause any change would erase my progress in old expansions.

It'll literally work exactly like in Retail right now. I got that achievement on my Evoker and I am looking at it on my Mage.

Honestly, if this is a problem for you, then I think you need to figure out why exactly its such a problem lmao.

[Skildar]

I think they're tapping into his mother's look. Most of her in-game appearances have had her wearing dark purple robes, so they leaned into the purple and black.

except they changed her model in TWW to reflect her responsibilities as dark iron queen

Edit
there is indeed a decent amount of purple even in her new model

[Nymrohd]

And they are sticking to character based professions. Of course no one promised us account-wide system there for 11.0, but still I don't have freedom there on my chars with established professions, cause any change would erase my progress in old expansions.

While this definitely sucks, at least we are getting an account wide reagent bank (at least for non-soulbound mats) which will be so useful. Or at least I am assuming that the Warband Bank will act that way.

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Do we have music in the alpha? didn't see any post about it.

That's the last thing added every single time.

[Lahis]

Do we have music in the alpha? didn't see any post about it.

Music is always the last thing they ad at the very end of beta.

[Dracullus]

While this definitely sucks, at least we are getting an account wide reagent bank (at least for non-soulbound mats) which will be so useful. Or at least I am assuming that the Warband Bank will act that way.

Yeah, I think it was confirmed you can craft directly from warbank (yes I will use that name).

It'll literally work exactly like in Retail right now.

That's literally the point why I complain about it.

But again, it's not important problem, more like a sign they got cold feet again.

[Makorus]

Yeah, I think it was confirmed you can craft directly from warbank (yes I will use that name).



That's literally the point why I complain about it.

But again, it's not important problem, more like a sign they got cold feet again.

Cold feet of what?

Sorry, but I think keeping the option for people to complete achievements they've already done is a better choice than taking that away for everyone. Once again, it literally changes nothing other than "Oh no, muh ocd!" which is a personal issue that you might need to work on.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, I think it was confirmed you can craft directly from warbank (yes I will use that name).



That's literally the point why I complain about it.

But again, it's not important problem, more like a sign they got cold feet again.

It could also be that it's not easy for them to implement and so they shelved it for now. My first assumption with all things that have been around since vanilla and I'd like to see changed is that something stupid I would not expect is hard coded and changing that is not at all easy.

[Hitei]

epic paint skills aside, you got the point lol

Again, you're way off. One of the defining features of the retarded "soyboy" meme is having a short beard and an overly-styled haircut and modern glasses.

The character is almost 1:1 Rick Moranis. Clean shaven with messy hair and the old style big frames.




You genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.

[Dracullus]

It could also be that it's not easy for them to implement and so they shelved it for now. My first assumption with all things that have been around since vanilla and I'd like to see changed is that something stupid I would not expect is hard coded and changing that is not at all easy.

That is possibility. It could also be them deciding current progress is "good enough" and something must be saved for future patches or expacs. One one day they will announce "now you can learn all transmog tier on every class" and crowd will go wild.

It really reminds me of situation where DF Renown was marketed as having account wide rewards, which after Alpha turned to "renown has account wide rewards, BUT".

Cold feet of what?

Sorry, but I think keeping the option for people to complete achievements they've already done is a better choice than taking that away for everyone. Once again, it literally changes nothing other than "Oh no, muh ocd!" which is a personal issue that you might need to work on.

You literally can make 1:1 same argument with reputations (and it was done). Now, since you can buy all transmog on single character, just add option to buy recipe for warband and literally all people will be happy right? In that scenario only people with OCD would complain old reps are not truly account-wide, right? Right?

And again, I don't want take anything from people who want to repeat any achievement or quest. I even want to expand it - if you want repeat specific quest/achiev, game shouldn't force you to make second character.