The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[loras]

I only hope they make it optional, otherwise it's gamebreaking for me to the point of uninstalling, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

There is a toggle between "static" (old) and "dynamic" (new) flying, si it's optional.

Just do realise the old system cannot do everything the new can, such as going thrice as fast or maneuver quickly enough, so expect to run into limitations on that.
Things like larger maps will pose no noticeable issue to the likely grand majority of the people that will use the "superior" (faster) system, and you can expect to lose out on things like i.e. rares, gathering nodes and treasures simply by virtue of being slower.

So it's optional, but there is a logical and silent "but" involved.

Plus it may ultimately end up replacing static flying in content going forward, depending on the level of adoption. Simply because it would no longer be worth the effort to facilitate it in design and such, wasting time and resources.

[Nightshade711]

https://twitter.com/TaliesinEvitel/s...hwhy-nGQA&s=19

"I feel we don't talk enough about how there is a huge and ancient portal to the actual Void realm just open now in the middle of the planet"

Good Point. Why is nobody talking about it?

Tbh I already forgot about it.

I could see this being some link to a void invasion in the future.

[Xi Jinping]

Remmber when every one since BFA wanted a Dragon Knight? -We got furry dragons
asking for Ethereals will just get you some sad twisted version of your original wish...

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The biggest hint for next expansion is always store mounts. I think in this case : the sun/nighty night elf saber cat mount.

[huth]

Remmber when every one since BFA wanted a Dragon Knight? -We got furry dragons

No, i don't remember that at all. Probably because it didn't happen.

[Xi Jinping]

No, i don't remember that at all. Probably because it didn't happen.

people were begging for a DK dragon reskin at the end of BFA

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

The next expansion is Void or Pirates.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Ebonhorn absolutely started on equal grounds with Wrathion this expac. It's just that in the Waking Shores quests they kind of forgot about him. He should have been one of the quest givers at the Obsidian Citadel and he should have been at the Ruby Life Pools waiting for Wrathion and Sabellian with Alexstrasza.

This is part of what made him becoming the new Aspect so janky narratively. In paper all the choices are very sensible, but how the story was told wasn't anything stellar. There's the weirdness of the bait and switch between Wrathion and Sabellian as the two candidates, focusing so much on their bickering, with Ebyissian nowhere to be seen, and then showing up a whole patch later, speeding through his whole involvement while making Wrathion and Ebyssian act even more annoying.

Sure, everything has plot justifications, but it doesn't feel like a well told story. We could have ended on the same place if Ebyssian had been there since the begining, and then actually develop Wrathion and Ebyssian's own arcs leading to stepping aside a lot more.

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That would be very fun to experience, but is also fairly high-risk. I could imagine it working, but the writers would have to tread very carefully.

If it's not set in pre-Sundering Azeroth, I could see something equivalent to the Dreg Heap of Dark Souls III being interesting.

Pre sundering could be the endgame zone.

Leveling zones could be like, WC3 lorederon, WC 3 ashenvale, WC 3 quelthalas, etc etc.

I think I big issue with WoD, and Shadowlands, is how these realms felt so foreign and temporary. If we went into an expansion knowing such places would be permanent new fixtures of the world, it could be *very* interesting.

I always like the idea of Draenor overlapping into Outland to become a new, more permanent world, but I don't think there's enough room for that (Unless Yrel brings the whole planet with her when she returns, heh) But the idea of a mashup of time disjointed areas making their way to Azeroth could be great.

Does make me wonder, if instead of being a separate mass, it actually "overlaps" with their older versions?, creating a more bizzarre new normal where denizens are displaces by the ones in these new areas? Some of them finding common ground, others entering into fast conflict.

Wouldn't be a complete "old world revamp" but it could be an opportunity to revamp certain areas. You would have to choose somewhat underutilized ones, but you could be able to change their context greatly, taking advantage of the endless possibilities of alternate realities.

An Azshara in its prime around the time of the Legion invasion, The Eastweald and Southern Quel'thalas during Arthas march, Uldum during Lei' Shen's attack and the Tol'vir using the origination device to stop him, the founding of Stormgarde when the Forest Trolls still could destroy humanity's first home. All pivotal moments that with our intervention will play out differently -and all of them in zones that aren't of the most relevant in the present.

[huth]

Better : both

Void Pirates from the Moon?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I want a knight/medieval themed expansion, have some quests about politics of certain Houses and stuff like that.

More precisely - i would like a expansion like that if at least partial revamp is not happening.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Does make me wonder, if instead of being a separate mass, it actually "overlaps" with their older versions?, creating a more bizzarre new normal where denizens are displaces by the ones in these new areas? Some of them finding common ground, others entering into fast conflict.

Honestly, this seems quite plausible to me. I've taken the Infinite dungeon to suggest that Deios is successful, and the Murozond is retroactively created out of Nozdormu in an odd, Dragon Break-esque situation. I like the idea that all possible events begin to retroactively have always happened simultaneously in a brief moment in which the sands of time are no longer flowing chronologically. This results in an unprecedented situation in which the world starts to look something like the Dreg Heap from Dark Souls III, or perhaps a worldwide version of the Caverns of Time, as all timelines start merging into one another. Perhaps people exist alongside their alternate selves, or perhaps they begin merging with them as they have to struggle with wholly-contradictory memories of the same events. Those who died in the main timeline go mad in knowing that they are not going mad as they are slotted into a world safely devoid of another variant of themselves.

[Nymrohd]

Honestly, this seems quite plausible to me. I've taken the Infinite dungeon to suggest that Deios is successful, and the Murozond is retroactively created out of Nozdormu in an odd, Dragon Break-esque situation. I like the idea that all possible events begin to retroactively have always happened simultaneously in a brief moment in which the sands of time are no longer flowing chronologically. This results in an unprecedented situation in which the world starts to look something like the Dreg Heap from Dark Souls III, or perhaps a worldwide version of the Caverns of Time, as all timelines start merging into one another. Perhaps people exist alongside their alternate selves, or perhaps they begin merging with them as they have to struggle with wholly-contradictory memories of the same events. Those who died in the main timeline go mad in knowing that they are not going mad as they are slotted into a world safely devoid of another variant of themselves.

My understanding is, Deios succeeds while Iridikron distracts us by turning Nozdormu Infinite all the way back before they became Aspects. Then we race through the timeways to get BEFORE that happens and stop him.
So we do see an Infinite AU but we go far back in time to stop it from ever happening.

[huth]

I want a knight/medieval themed expansion, have some quests about politics of certain Houses and stuff like that.

More precisely - i would like a expansion like that if at least partial revamp is not happening.

While you could easily do an entire game around that, i don't think it's a good match for WoW. And Crusader Kings already exists.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

My understanding is, Deios succeeds while Iridikron distracts us by turning Nozdormu Infinite all the way back before they became Aspects. Then we race through the timeways to get BEFORE that happens and stop him.
So we do see an Infinite AU but we go far back in time to stop it from ever happening.

That would be a shame. I'm kind of endeared to this whole idea now, and I think it would be a nice way to resolve some of the dumber implications of the cosmology re: alternate universes.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

While you could easily do an entire game around that, i don't think it's a good match for WoW. And Crusader Kings already exists.

Is it? I think you can pretty much match up most themes with WoW, we had argent crusade that pretty much had "knightly" tournaments, also there was a little bit of it in BFA alliance zones.
I remember one quest about training a horse for tournament in Tiragarde if i remember correctly, for a lord of one of the houses.

EDIT: About Crusader kings, these type of games were never up my valley, i find them pretty boring personally, but not everything is for everyone.

[Makabreska]

Is it? I think you can pretty much match up most themes with WoW, we had argent crusade that pretty much had "knightly" tournaments, also there was a little bit of it in BFA alliance zones.
I remember one quest about training a horse for tournament in Tiragarde if i remember correctly, for a lord.

Yes, we had knight tournaments, and it was incredibly dumb. We prep to fight LK, we gather forces, and then suddenly we organize a goddamn jousting tournament at LK doorstep.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Yes, we had knight tournaments, and it was incredibly dumb. We prep to fight LK, we gather forces, and then suddenly we organize a goddamn jousting tournament at LK doorstep.

To be fair, that's only because it was abruptly invented as filler at a point where it was totally unnecessary. This doesn't reflect on the concept poorly, it's just a poorly-executed instance of the concept.

[Makabreska]

To be fair, that's only because it was abruptly invented as filler at a point where it was totally unnecessary. This doesn't reflect on the concept poorly, it's just a poorly-executed instance of the concept.

Pretty sure suddenly having to test ourself in a side activity right before the final push while we were being tested the moment we landed in Northrend is still a crappy concept. Yogg was also a weird distraction that didn't amount to anything in our war against LK.

[Darkarath]

To be fair, that's only because it was abruptly invented as filler at a point where it was totally unnecessary. This doesn't reflect on the concept poorly, it's just a poorly-executed instance of the concept.

I am surprised to see that people did not enjoy the Argent Tournament. I feel that for the time it was pretty good. Certainly it gave us lots of collectibles (actually I am currently farming them, doing the quests and the dungeon every day, as I erased my old account in Shadowlands).

It seems that we certainly fail in 10.1.5, and the... Time Rifts, I think that they are called, are the consequence of our failure. Probably just the beginning of the consequences (besides Murozond), as I am pretty sure that more time related stuff is coming.

I hope and think that a new Timewalking system should be the aftermath of whatever happens with the Bronzes and the Infinites. An expansion dealing with time... I just do not see Blizzard making that work. It would be a mess at many levels, I believe, especially lore-wise.

[Makabreska]

I am surprised to see that people did not enjoy the Argent Tournament. I feel that for the time it was pretty good. Certainly it gave us lots of collectibles (actually I am currently farming them, doing the quests and the dungeon every day, as I erased my old account in Shadowlands).

People didn't like jousting and fighting almost every fight in the same arena. Entire idea of a ridiculous and sudden jousting tournament was also lambasted. Entire place was THE low effort filler PvE content of WoW.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Pretty sure suddenly having to test ourself in a side activity right before the final push while we were being tested the moment we landed in Northrend is still a crappy concept. Yogg was also a weird distraction that didn't amount to anything in our war against LK.

No but we aren't just gonna ignore an Old God up to shennigans either.