The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

Demon Hunters are here:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-...-within-338863

Unreal. DH, Evoker, Monk sets are killing it. The Paladin and DK sets are so disappointing, they are lacking the smaller coloring detail that Evoker and DH have. These huge bold saturated color blocks on the sets (specifically DK boots, Paladin chest, legs and shoulders) are just really ugly. They don't look like tier pieces. Thank god there is the Arathi set for the plate wearers.

[Cheezits]

I am a little disappointed by the lack of nerubian armor, as well as the dev confirmation that they aren't happening as playable in TWW due to animation difficulties.

[Hitei]

Gameplay wise sure but lore wise we have Velan flat out saying there power is like a Narru and there order as always been represented as priest with even them having a Elune related spell in classic.

Lore wise it’s light for now.

it is but none of those have ties to the Narru like Elune has had multiple times now.


For all we know though the “realms of life” is just the great dark as we haven’t heard a peep about them other wise and likely won’t with them WWS. The emerald dream was the other likely opinion being the counterpart to ardenweld but that ship sailed.

As to her being of light, she could very well be a higher tier Narru or something else that was born with the Big Bang instead of a light lord which would make sense for her being an “upstart god” as she’s just the biggest kid in the playground but not on par with a adult.

Velen is not a good source for this. You might be misremembering what happens in Legion, but Velen doesn't even understand the Naaru in that questline. He thinks that the only way to access Xe'ra's core is by using her descendent O'ros, and then when O'ros dies he gives up. Khadgar is the one who brings up an old story about Elune having made the Naaru.

There is no reason at all to assume Velen has any idea what Elune is. He just suggested once that the might be similar, based on his own experienced with Naaru, something which Tyrande, her actual priestess, did not entertain.

Considering that Elune's power overwhelmingly manifests alongside dark rather than light (turned Nightsabers black so they could hide in the dark, gave Night elves the ability to shadowmeld at night, blocks out the light of the sun when manifesting her powers, turned darkshore permanently nighttime. I think it's a bit silly to take Velen's off-hand observation seriously. She is sort of, objectively speaking, a goddess of the night.

"Astral" as a school is a gameplay mechanic, but the game is very consistent about that being Elune's thing. Old Night elf priests uniquely used Starshards, an arcane spell. Tyrande in every iteration from WC3 to her Night Warrior ability set in SL, has used arcane, nature and astral spells. Fury of Elune calls down "pure celestial energy" dealing astral damage.

It is also a lore point. The Shadowlands Grimoire book mentions that the Priestesses of Elune use arcane and nature (again, Astral) magic to mend bodies when preparing them for funeral rites.

[Foolicious]

I am a little disappointed by the lack of nerubian armor, as well as the dev confirmation that they aren't happening as playable in TWW due to animation difficulties.

Demon hunters have little spider webs on their legs. Does that count?

Not Evoker? Thought they looked amazing.

Evoker is great. And i hope to get the pieces for my shaman and hunter. But you can't see the set on evoker... so minus points for that.

Unreal. DH, Evoker, Monk sets are killing it. The Paladin and DK sets are so disappointing, they are lacking the smaller coloring detail that Evoker and DH have. These huge bold saturated color blocks on the sets (specifically DK boots, Paladin chest, legs and shoulders) are just really ugly. They don't look like tier pieces. Thank god there is the Arathi set for the plate wearers.

Monk and demonhunter look stunning considering its a depature of the usual design. They are very different, yet still recognizeable as class set.

[Hekili]

The green dragon book STRONGLY hinted that there are Lifelands that you can get to by going extremely far into the Dream, so I'm pretty sure Elune is a Life God that was either designed to interact with Ardenweald in a programmed cycle or took on the role somehow (upstart goddess, as Xal put it) like how Bwonsamdi became a god though Muehzala.

I'm not sure if the Zereths are going to matter going forward, but I've thought that Elune was an ally or co-conspirator of the First Ones that helped secure their victory and enabled them to set the current universe in motion. Elune was allowed to carry over and serve as custodian while waiting for the Titans to awaken.

I think the Naaru are her creations wherein she attempted to force Order upon the Light and Void (thus giving Naaru their dual natures).

[Hitei]

I'm not sure if the Zereths are going to matter going forward, but I've thought that Elune was an ally or co-conspirator of the First Ones that helped secure their victory and enabled them to set the current universe in motion. Elune was allowed to carry over and serve as custodian while waiting for the Titans to awaken.

I think the Naaru are her creations wherein she attempted to force Order upon the Light and Void (thus giving Naaru their dual natures).

I think Elune is just the spiritual predecessor to dreadlords and likes to go around sticking her fingers into everyone else's schemes and Eonars.

[Cheezits]

I think Elune is just the spiritual predecessor to dreadlords and likes to go around sticking her fingers into everyone else's schemes and Eonars.

Yeah I think she's a good-aligned schemer. She is a part of every "good" magic and Xal's comment corroborates that she's crafty. I doubt she's evil though.

If anything she may be an Aman'thul rival playing longterm chess.

[Valysar]

Catalog has been updated, things are movin

[Makabreska]

Unreal. DH, Evoker, Monk sets are killing it. The Paladin and DK sets are so disappointing, they are lacking the smaller coloring detail that Evoker and DH have. These huge bold saturated color blocks on the sets (specifically DK boots, Paladin chest, legs and shoulders) are just really ugly. They don't look like tier pieces. Thank god there is the Arathi set for the plate wearers.

Sets are mid for me. And they all pale in comparison to Arathor green questing sets.

[Enrif]

Velen is not a good source for this. You might be misremembering what happens in Legion, but Velen doesn't even understand the Naaru in that questline. He thinks that the only way to access Xe'ra's core is by using her descendent O'ros, and then when O'ros dies he gives up. Khadgar is the one who brings up an old story about Elune having made the Naaru.

I think this is put out of context. Velen had to face his son and kill him. That's why he gives up. He had a breakdown. If not for this, it could have very well been Velen that could suggest his old remarks on elune with Khadgar confirming it.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I guess some "real" and deep datamining of files, icons, textures starts soon.

[Cheezits]

The Legion Velen plotline was so slop that I was amazed it wasn't a Cata quest. Velens long lost son NEVER MENTIONED son is introduced in a single quest, and then killed one quest later, and it is never brought up again after that.

[Nymrohd]

The Legion Velen plotline was so slop that I was amazed it wasn't a Cata quest. Velens long lost son NEVER MENTIONED son is introduced in a single quest, and then killed one quest later, and it is never brought up again after that.

And his wife only showed up in a vision of the past in Eredath. What happened to her? Cause can you imagine her being a high ranking Eredar and being the one who gave up her son to the torturers because he wasn't willing to turn?

[Makorus]

The Legion Velen plotline was so slop that I was amazed it wasn't a Cata quest. Velens long lost son NEVER MENTIONED son is introduced in a single quest, and then killed one quest later, and it is never brought up again after that.

It's even worse than that, it's literally within the same quest. There is a moment where he is kneeling at his old bed in Eredath, so it kinda gets brought up again.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Velen is not a good source for this. You might be misremembering what happens in Legion, but Velen doesn't even understand the Naaru in that questline. He thinks that the only way to access Xe'ra's core is by using her descendent O'ros, and then when O'ros dies he gives up. Khadgar is the one who brings up an old story about Elune having made the Naaru.

There is no reason at all to assume Velen has any idea what Elune is. He just suggested once that the might be similar, based on his own experienced with Naaru, something which Tyrande, her actual priestess, did not entertain.

Velan might have given up in legion but him thinking Elune is like a Narru then her tear being used in place of a Narru reinforces that he was onto something even if he isn’t there to see it for him self.

And even if he’s not the be all end all of Narru Knowledge there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t recognize the light or mistake it for nature/arcane.

She is objectively speaking, a goddess of the night.

she is but that doesn’t actually mean any thing when it comes to “the light” as only the cows see it as a actual sun/day related thing and it already comes in abunch of different colours like gold blood red blue pink, ect. So it fitting the night elfs silver blue isn’t an issue and who’s to say even dark light couldn’t be a thing or if she is some kind of highest Narru Mabye it’s void and she’s in balance instead of going from one to the other.

but the game is very consistent about that being Elune's thing.

the game is but the lore isn’t with things like the banning of the use of arcane and all of hight self society treating them differently, priestess of elune using her power and being well priest, Tyranda calling on Elune protection in books and getting a power word/divine shield, and the above Velan/Narru stuff.

There is next to no lore that treats it as arcane/nature.

It is also a lore point. The Shadowlands Grimoire book mentions that the Priestesses of Elune use arcane and nature (again, Astral) magic to mend bodies when preparing them for funeral rites.

this is like the one wow book I don’t own/have access to, any chance you could quote the passage?

[Makorus]

I mean, it's not the first time Elune = Naaru was hinted at.



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Huh, interesting, they already have an ending for the whole Saga, a very clear ending supposedly, and they are already working on creatures and locations in TLT.

Kinda comforting to see that the pipeline is working

They also dodged a question about Xalatath in SoD.

[Murlocos]

Taliesin and Evitel interview with Maria Hamilton, mostly on story.

• Greater focus on continuity, specifically wanting less "dips" between zone stories
• Concept artists are currently working on TLT, world designers and artists on Midnight
• They have the ending of the saga and important plot beats already written
• Lots of internal discussion on not repeating Teldrassil again with Dalaran
• Don't want it to feel necessary to do anything but play TWW to understand what's going on, SoD not critical
• Lots of prodding about whether we'll see more choices in stories, seems unlikely

Oh just beaten. The first bit is probably the most interesting to me there since I was just talking about it the other day. Dungeons being integrated into the main plot now hopefully helps with that so you don't have players jumping between zones that may or may not have skipped the climax.

On that same note, another interview confirms they'll have specific characters for each follower dungeon. There'll be another dragonriding dungeon like the Nokhud Offensive as well.

[Ersula]

The same people who are whining about Dalaran being destroyed are whining about the whole "Dark Ranger survival" thing. So good. I'm glad Dalaran gets destroyed. How many iterations of it do you need to rp in, exactly?

[Zardas]

how do you feel about the war within? imo it feels more and more like the waiting room for midnight

I'm much more hyped for TWW than for Midnight since Midnight seems to aim for some sort of revamp, so not as interesting as brand new zones. Also dwarves are cool.

[Makorus]

The same people who are whining about Dalaran being destroyed are whining about the whole "Dark Ranger survival" thing. So good. I'm glad Dalaran gets destroyed. How many iterations of it do you need to rp in, exactly?

It's not like Dalaran is taken away anyway