The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Valysar]

Remove grateful offerings from SL cosmetics and half the anima cost plox.

And activate legacy loot/damage way sooner (SL should already be legacy by now)

[Murlocos]

Why only BfA tho ?

Every BfA raid except maybe Shrine of the Storm? has at least one boss with mechanics that make it extremely difficult if not impossible to solo. It's not an issue of needing legacy scaling to fix, the mechanics themselves need adjusted.

[Bwgmon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/khaz-al...-within-338823

I kinda love how this zone's weapon theme (and the Leather set) is industrial. Sorta like construction or profession vibes (chisel dagger, blades with saws/teeth, mace that looks like a hammer, 2h sword has a weird 'blade cover' looking thing on the back edge of the tip.).

I love the off-hand that's just a TNT plunger box, makes me a bit more annoyed that the only classes that make use of off-hands never actually hold them unless you manually unsheathe out of combat, and how most of the off-hands that are visible while sheathed look horrendous.

[Skildar]

I love the off-hand that's just a TNT plunger box, makes me a bit more annoyed that the only classes that make use of off-hands never actually hold them unless you manually unsheathe out of combat, and how most of the off-hands that are visible while sheathed look horrendous.

I don't understand how we don't have yet any offhands that just floats beside you; a magic tome, an orb of power, a caged imp, a lantern, etc.

[Makabreska]

I don't understand how we don't have yet any offhands that just floats beside you; a magic tome, an orb of power, a caged imp, a lantern, etc.

We do have them. Guess they don' want to make many of them?

[Lady Atia]

We do have them. Guess they don' want to make many of them?

Well we did get a lil flying robo drone with Sepulcher. I guess it's the same issue as with flails - in order to "preserve prestige" we barely got any new flails since the mage tower, sadly.

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Also btw, it seems like Jaina uses the same tech they had for Remornia and has her staff floating next to her - would be fun to get that option atleast for caster classes!

[Raetary]

I don't understand how we don't have yet any offhands that just floats beside you; a magic tome, an orb of power, a caged imp, a lantern, etc.

Yeah, i thought that they'd make more extensive use of the Skull of the Man'ari tech when the artifact got introduced, but nah.
We got i believe 2 different floating off-hands post-legion, the squid from BfA (nvm, that one was never even obtainable) and the Destiny ghost reference from SL, and that's it.

I feel like they generally need to rethink what Off-hands are supposed to look like.
Excluding tomes, there are only a handful of Off-hands that i find to be appealing or usable for transmog, like the harps, vials, scrolls and some torches.

Everything else primarily consists of really random dangly shit and orbs and sticks, and a lot of it you can't even tell what it's even supposed to be.

[Valysar]

Every BfA raid except maybe Shrine of the Storm? has at least one boss with mechanics that make it extremely difficult if not impossible to solo. It's not an issue of needing legacy scaling to fix, the mechanics themselves need adjusted.

Yeah true, I'm doing BFA LFR right now and there are too many anti-solo mechanics, they can't just remove them with an hotfix /maintenance ?

[Ersula]

I don't understand how we don't have yet any offhands that just floats beside you; a magic tome, an orb of power, a caged imp, a lantern, etc.

The offhands from The Sepulcher did this.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, i thought that they'd make more extensive use of the Skull of the Man'ari tech when the artifact got introduced, but nah.
We got i believe 2 different floating off-hands post-legion, the squid from BfA and the Destiny ghost reference from SL, and that's it.

I feel like they generally need to rethink what Off-hands are supposed to look like.
Excluding tomes, there are only a handful of Off-hands that i find to be appealing or usable for transmog, like the harps, vials, scrolls and some torches.

Everything else primarily consists of really random dangly shit and orbs and sticks, and a lot of it you can't even tell what it's even supposed to be.

I just want a tome that floats next to me and that opens and flips through pages every time I use a spell with a casting time.

[Cheezits]

Yeah, i thought that they'd make more extensive use of the Skull of the Man'ari tech when the artifact got introduced, but nah.
We got i believe 2 different floating off-hands post-legion, the squid from BfA and the Destiny ghost reference from SL, and that's it.

There's a squid offhand? Where?

[Nightshade711]

Yeah, i thought that they'd make more extensive use of the Skull of the Man'ari tech when the artifact got introduced, but nah.
We got i believe 2 different floating off-hands post-legion, the squid from BfA and the Destiny ghost reference from SL, and that's it.

I feel like they generally need to rethink what Off-hands are supposed to look like.
Excluding tomes, there are only a handful of Off-hands that i find to be appealing or usable for transmog, like the harps, vials, scrolls and some torches.

Everything else primarily consists of really random dangly shit and orbs and sticks, and a lot of it you can't even tell what it's even supposed to be.

Hell and even the squid wasn’t obtainable in BfA…
But I do agree I wish we could see more of that tech used… I also wish we could see more use of unique-ish animations like the brewmaster artifact idle.

[Raetary]

There's a squid offhand? Where?

Actually nvm.
Just learned it just got datamined back then, it never made it into the game proper.

But for the curious, i am talking about this thing.

[Skildar]

I just want a tome that floats next to me and that opens and flips through pages every time I use a spell with a casting time.

I like the animation rework they did in Legion but they should have some spells that use a weapon animation as well. I could very well see a gandalf slamming his staff yelling You Shall Not Pass style of animation for two handers. Or pointing your right hand sword/mace/wand and making glow while channeling and draining power with your off hand. I've seen the book page flipping animation in so many other games it's beyond sad that we don't have something similar in wow with off hands

[Schwert]

Remove grateful offerings from SL cosmetics and half the anima cost plox.

Anima costs are fine once your sanctum is upgraded.
Sometimes, you should actually have to farm a bit for stuff.

[Raetary]

Hmmm, interesting.

Earthen have some First Ones Architecture.
https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...888234/photo/2



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Seeing as that seems to be the Earthen factory, and the building is very Zereth Mortis looking, it might tie back to Earthen souls.

Maybe that's why they lose their memories upon recharge, maybe the machine extracts them by manipulating their anima.

[Ersula]

Hmmm, interesting.

Earthen have some First Ones Architecture.

The frequent use of parallel lines that then cris-cross are a motif (yes, like that one S kids draw on their notebooks) that's present in basic dwarf architecture as well at vrykul architecture, so its basically the thing that unifies anything even vaguely titan related. That exact same shape that appears all over Zereth Mortis also is the emblem on the Dark Iron heritage armor.

[Holdodlig]

Hmmm, interesting.

Earthen have some First Ones Architecture.
https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...888234/photo/2



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Seeing as that seems to be the Earthen factory, and the building is very Zereth Mortis looking, it might tie back to Earthen souls.

Maybe that's why they lose their memories upon recharge, maybe the machine extracts them by manipulating their anima.

I don't think so. The Titan architecture has been very angular since BFA and it has some sort of logic as they're meant to be the definition of Order. They will simply copy the architecture of the First Born and say it as granted.

If I had to give you a theory anyway, I'm pretty sure that Oribos was made by Titans and not The First One anyway. And I'm pretty sure the Titans betrayed the First One because they couldn't see the importance of balance between all cosmic forces and only wanted order.

[Ersula]

If I had to give you a theory anyway, I'm pretty sure that Oribos was made by Titans and not The First One anyway. And I'm pretty sure the Titans betrayed the First One because they couldn't see the importance of balance between all cosmic forces and only wanted order.

Are you saying that because of the thing with Elun'ahir thing? To me that suggests the First Ones' are the Titans bosses more than anything. Nothing the Titan's did was antithetical to the First One's design: Here is what Amon Thul said:

When Aman'Thul saw what Eonar had done, he chided her. "This is not Order!" he bellowed. "You have infected this world with uncontrolled chaos!"

It's not that Aman'thul trying to destroy the other forces; Their domain is order, not life. Eonar was essentially operating outside of the Titan's prime directive, ergo Amon'thul's reaction. It's like if your boss finds out you were doing someone else's job.

[Nathanyel]

If the first patch is truly about a goblin raid (probably undermine) I hope it doesn't feel like a joke filler patch. And it would be a great time to fight against Gallywix at last.

I could totally see the Gallywix fight to "take inspiration" from the King Mechagon fight, especially if G appropriated Mechagnome tech. Add some subtle hints like him purchasing the rights to call himself the inventor of the tech and it's perfect.

You know what characterizes dwarves?
"Predominantly, Dark Iron dwarves are known for their fiery tempers and fierce determination."

Hey, same can be said about us nerds. However, such stereotypes going beyond general culture are just dumb, even in Fantasy.

"Dagran is a self-inserted nerd" is really a bizarre hill to die on.

Sadly, just repeating it over and over will likely work, others will start to believe and propagate it, like with the demonstrably false claim that Nathanos was a self-insert.

I despise the voice acting for this character, it seems that I cannot shut him up quickly enough everytime I hover over one of his world quests

WQs voicelines (and in this case, those during the Researchers event) are often somewhat over the top or weird, but when I played the campaign quests he was involved in, Rannan sounded much more tolerable.

I don't understand how we don't have yet any offhands that just floats beside you; a magic tome, an orb of power, a caged imp, a lantern, etc.

I still hold that the Skull from the Trading Post Warlock Arsenal (with weapons that could've been somewhat lofi Artifact appearances) should've been floating instead of just being a regular offhand.