The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makabreska]

I love how they expanded dynamic flight to almost every single flying mount.
And the animations look really good too.

I was expecting most of the non-winged mounts to be kept static only or be left for later, but nope, i can finally use my Lucid Nightmare!

This is a good example of a proper "fk it, let's do it" attitude.

[Viridiel]

Any link to that?

I don't see any Genesaur models in any of the datamining.

This video has one around 4 mins in.

[Makabreska]

This video has one around 4 mins in.

Wonder if it's an actual one, or something using it's model (could be WIP replacement). Kinda random to put a Genesaur there.

[Raetary]

This video has one around 4 mins in.

Quite interesting.

But it could also just be a placeholder model.
It is afterall in the Ringing Deeps rather than near the Roots where they logically would be around.

[Valysar]

Has Talanji been datamined ? She was seen in the some screenshot during Blizzcon iirc

[Skildar]

Ofc they should. But nothing about a Genesaur screams Titan level to me. The only Titan-adjacent creatures we know of are the Void Lords, Elune and the Eternal Ones and none of them are walking around the physical realm where we are.

I didn't mean that genesaure are titan level entities, I'm not even sure they're comparable to watchers/keepers.
Like you've said before the counterparts to titans in other life,void, etc. are all bound to their own plane and are struggling to step into our reality. That barrier could be under the responsibility of Order, that wouldn't be unexpected.

I'm diving into lore a bit too much for this thread but we will probbly get tidbits of lore from datamining so it's kind of inevitable that end up discussing the future of the narrative.

[Woggmer]

Why does there need to be an order Pantheon. Why does each force need a Pantheon at all? This is just compulsively seeking patterns when there is no need for them. Death as a force served a very specific purpose so it had specific Eternals and realms made to serve specific tasks. I am sure all forces do have specific tasks they do to maintain the universe at large; Life likely will have some First One facility that generates souls and sends those souls to the physical realm. Perhaps Order maintains time (the ultimate expression of Order being the inviolability of time). But how each Force does that doesn't require them to be identical. Perhaps the greater power of Order is completely impersonal (e.g. would it not make sense if every creature we meet on that plane speaks with one voice because they all share one conscience? They are after all the very expression of Order)

What we do know is that no other Force has its greater powers just walking around in the seventh, physical realm; they are all contained within their respective forces and it seems damn hard for them to get out. Void Lords cannot get out of the Void, we've never seen a Titan level creature of any of the other Forces around (Elune acts on the Physical realm but she has never fully manifested there) so why would Order be the exception and have its entire pantheon on the physical realm?

Not every force needs a Pantheon, I'm just proposing that the First Ones were the first original "Titans" while the ones like Amun'thul, Eonar, and so on are the second iteration. It isn't too farfetched considering we fought copies of the Eternal Ones back in Sepulcher. Even then, I would still find it insane if they actually go this route.

Though if you want me belief on it.
One NPC from Zereth Mortis gave a hint about it.
"Mortis. Lumen. Ordus. Rhythm and Structure."; "Vitae. Umbra. Tumult. Improvisation and Possibilities."
Death, Light, and Order require structure to maintain themselves, this is why they need beings like the Titans, the Eternal Ones, and the Naaru in order manage their respective realms. They can't force change, but they can manipulate and control (Titans Ordering, the Lightbound, and Jailer's Domination Magic)

While Life, Void, and Chaos (Fel) don't need pantheons or physical forms to maintain themselves by spreading their influence. They create new life on their own whether it's birthing Wild Gods, corrupting life forms into Demons with Fel, or transforming beings through the void.
It's just a theory from headache induced mind, but that's my only explanation as for why some forces have pantheons and some don't. (And I'm not entirely confident about that theory.)

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Wonder if it's an actual one, or something using it's model (could be WIP replacement). Kinda random to put a Genesaur there.

Definitely placeholder.. Like I recall during WoD's alpha, they wanted to create a race called the Fara (for Farahlon) but before they were scrapped, they had placeholder models of green stone Tol'vir as their stand-ins. This might be the same case here.

[Raetary]

Has Talanji been datamined ? She was seen in the some screenshot during Blizzcon iirc

No, but seeing the Harronir she was likely just a placeholder too.

[Gurahk]

Keep in mind when the Mag'har came to Azeroth, a bunch of the botani were teleported with them (alongside ogres, gronn and a bunch of other natives from Draenor) and we haven't seen them since.
It's been years since then, the botani very likely could've spread and burrowed themselves inside Azeroth.

[Ersula]

I guess he's not dead. That was close, I almost felt something.

[Nymrohd]

I guess he's not dead. That was close, I almost felt something.

Only this is a DF order. So DF-timeline Khadgar needs a SAVIOR.
And now I am imagining Khadgar performing "I need a Hero"

[Gregoronsen]

its also just a fake screenshot wowhead put together to illustrate it, you wont be making any gold from npc orders

[Hitei]

its also just a fake screenshot wowhead put together to illustrate it, you wont be making any gold from npc orders

Have they said this? Last I'd heard they'd specifically said they mentioned that the player ones would be more lucrative which somewhat implies that there's gold to be made from the NPC ones, just not a lot.

[Nere]

Isn't the alpha a bit too far behind for an autumn release? I personally didn't expect the zone to be so barebones with many things not implemented.

[Makabreska]

Isn't the alpha a bit too far behind for an autumn release? I personally didn't expect the zone to be so barebones with many things not implemented.

What is missing from the zone?

[Makorus]

I am still on the August train.

Coincidentally, TW Remix ends at the start of August on the PTR.

[Hitei]

Isn't the alpha a bit too far behind for an autumn release? I personally didn't expect the zone to be so barebones with many things not implemented.

Modern expansions average about six months in beta testing before release. Alphas are more all over the place. DF Alpha started in July for a Nov 28 release, Shadowlands started in early april for a Nov 23 release.

[Nymrohd]

What is missing from the zone?

I know I read somewhere that it's not even fully done when it comes to level design (e.g. ground clutter isn't fully in place yet)

[milkmustache]

I am still on the August train.

Coincidentally, TW Remix ends at the start of August on the PTR.

1st/2nd week September checks out. A few weeks for prepatch, then right into Khaz Algar.

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I know I read somewhere that it's not even fully done when it comes to level design (e.g. ground clutter isn't fully in place yet)

Bellular said as such from his interviews from the London event. Isle or Dorne is missing pretty much all of its clutter, creatures, mobs, etc.

[Ersula]

Isn't the alpha a bit too far behind for an autumn release? I personally didn't expect the zone to be so barebones with many things not implemented.

Dragonflight Beta lasted 6 weeks & basically didn't have a public alpha at all. We're fine, timewise.