The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Samin]

So as I see it, Dimensius is the void-turned world soul of K'aresh and the same fate for Azeroth is Xal's goal and driving plot of Midnight.

To me, in turn, this also basically confirms that Azeroth isn't a titan. A titan is, analogous to a void lord, an arcane/order turned world soul - which I assume will be a central point of TLT (which will be foiled by us the same as Xal's plan).

[Eldryth]

It wouldn’t feel like a fitting aesthetic or theme for Northrend. If I recall, there was no Draenei presence on Northrend aside from Alliance NPC’s. The new Draenei city will more than likely just be on Azuremyst with Forest Song in Ashenvale being a distant possibility.

Building on Azuremist makes sense, but I couldn't really see it being implemented in-game if that were the case. Sure, Quel'thalas might be getting revamped, but the Draenei starting zones don't really have anything there to justify a return- there's no history or anything beyond it being the place where the Exodar happened to crash. And being isolated islands, it's hard to include in a Northern Kalimdor revamp. Plus... it's just a tiny pair of islands. There isn't exactly room to expand there.

As for Forest Song, or another Kalimdor location, it also fits, but most of it is already controlled territory, and there's already been a lot of conflicts for control over Ashenvale. Would they really want to settle in the middle of their ally's ancestral home, which the Horde has a history of invading for wood? I'd imagine that they'd want their own home rather than just some borrowed land for a city.

Admittedly, I was kind of trying to fit it with what we already know is coming when I brought up the possibility of Northrend, but I think it could fit. Yes, it's different from the lands they settled in on Draenor, but Draenei are survivalists who have settled on many different worlds while fleeing the Legion. Sholazar and Grizzly Hills are both there if they want to settle in another forest (and other zones' climates could have changed during the Cataclysm). And, most importantly, it's mostly unclaimed land. There's a few small settlements left there, but with the Drakkari wiped out and the Dragons back in the Dragon Isles, there's no real civilization left. Plenty of room for them to build an actual nation without having to infringe on other races' borders.

[Pyrophax]

There's no such term as woman king.

That was a name of extremely feministic movie with that name. That is all. Female king is a queen, and majority of sane people know it.
Same with Emperor - Empress, Priest - Priestess. Its a bit strange to even discuss that.

[BaumanKing]

Archmage Drenden's sudden return feels sooooooooooooo sus. Why did he leave the Council of Six in the first place? Was he fired? And where was he all this time?

It's also funny how there are only humans on the Council now.

[Pyrophax]

Archmage Drenden's sudden return feels sooooooooooooo sus. Why did he leave the Council of Six in the first place? Was he fired? And where was he all this time?

It's also funny how there are only humans on the Council now.

I think he is meat fodder for TWW prepatch. Like introduce him, act in prepatch and be gone.

[Raetary]

So, according to Alleria the Dark Heart can absorb and convert energy to the Void.

[Santandame]

Building on Azuremist makes sense, but I couldn't really see it being implemented in-game if that were the case. Sure, Quel'thalas might be getting revamped, but the Draenei starting zones don't really have anything there to justify a return- there's no history or anything beyond it being the place where the Exodar happened to crash. And being isolated islands, it's hard to include in a Northern Kalimdor revamp. Plus... it's just a tiny pair of islands. There isn't exactly room to expand there.

As for Forest Song, or another Kalimdor location, it also fits, but most of it is already controlled territory, and there's already been a lot of conflicts for control over Ashenvale. Would they really want to settle in the middle of their ally's ancestral home, which the Horde has a history of invading for wood? I'd imagine that they'd want their own home rather than just some borrowed land for a city.

Admittedly, I was kind of trying to fit it with what we already know is coming when I brought up the possibility of Northrend, but I think it could fit. Yes, it's different from the lands they settled in on Draenor, but Draenei are survivalists who have settled on many different worlds while fleeing the Legion. Sholazar and Grizzly Hills are both there if they want to settle in another forest (and other zones' climates could have changed during the Cataclysm). And, most importantly, it's mostly unclaimed land. There's a few small settlements left there, but with the Drakkari wiped out and the Dragons back in the Dragon Isles, there's no real civilization left. Plenty of room for them to build an actual nation without having to infringe on other races' borders.

Although I’m firmly in the camp that the Midnight patch content will be:

12.0 - Sunwell
12.1 - Stratholme
12.1.5 - Scarlet Monastery
12.2 - K’aresh

I wouldn’t be totally shocked to see 12.1 be a return to the Draenei Isles with Yrel invading. I’m leaning more towards a Scourge focused side story but if Blizz want parity for both the TBC races then I could see the Yrel alternative as it would fit into the expansion theme of Light vs. Shadow.

If the Draenei were to settle on Northrend, then I think I’d like to see them settle in a snow based area. The Dwarves are the only playable race to hail from a snowy region, so it would be nice to have more. I know the Draenei traditionally settle in forested areas but I think their aesthetic as well as a technology based city made of crystals could look quite cool in an arctic environment. You could also play more into their Rangari culture too.

I think good candidates on Northrend would be Coldarra for one. The sub zone itself would be the perfect size for a city and you could then have Borean Tundra have a bit of a stronger identity than it currently has (even though I like it). It could be a combination of a Rangari playground being a wilderness and also play into the tech side of it with the likes of the Nexus and the gnome air strip.

Grizzly Hills is an alternative, with the city based in the snowy mountains. There’s nostalgia for the zone so the city would be popular. Plus, the Draenei have good relations with the Furlbolgs already so it’s a decent tie in.

[Lahis]

Strange to me that there's a questline involving reformed primalists and yet we don't unlock those primalist eye customizations that were datamined.
Was hoping we'd be able to unlock those sometime this xpac since they were datamined with barbershop assets.

Primalist and Dragon eyes are NPC customizations just like Cult of the Damned skins.

[Pyrophax]

Although I’m firmly in the camp that the Midnight patch content will be:

12.0 - Sunwell
12.1 - Stratholme
12.1.5 - Scarlet Monastery
12.2 - K’aresh

I wouldn’t be totally shocked to see 12.1 be a return to the Draenei Isles with Yrel invading. I’m leaning more towards a Scourge focused side story but if Blizz want parity for both the TBC races then I could see the Yrel alternative as it would fit into the expansion theme of Light vs. Shadow.

If the Draenei were to settle on Northrend, then I think I’d like to see them settle in a snow based area. The Dwarves are the only playable race to hail from a snowy region, so it would be nice to have more. I know the Draenei traditionally settle in forested areas but I think their aesthetic as well as a technology based city made of crystals could look quite cool in an arctic environment. You could also play more into their Rangari clutter too.

I think good candidates on Northrend would be Coldarra for one. The sub zone itself would be the perfect size for a city and you could then have Borean Tundra have a bit of a stronger identity than it currently has (even though I like it). It could be a combination of a Rangari playground being a wilderness and also play into the tech side of it with the likes of the Nexus and the gnome air strip.

Grizzly Hills is an alternative, with the city based in the snowy mountains. There’s nostalgia for the zone so the city would be popular. Plus, the Draenei have good relations with the Furlbolgs already so it’s a decent tie in.

I don't think that Draenei will settle at another places besides Azuremist and Bloodmist Isles. Its far too iconic to leave it.
My bet - sometimes in a future, with Kalimdor rewamp (as mentioned - Durotar is healing, Draenei is settling, Teldrassil recovering and much, much more) - Isles will be much expanded, at bloodmist Isles will settle outcast faction of draenei nation (Krukuls and Man'ari), while regular draenei will settle in Azuremist.
Lightforged remain in space, at Vindicaar bc they are separate gameplay race (total bullshit if you ask me, they are not that different then man'ari or krokuls).

[Dracullus]

Although I’m firmly in the camp that the Midnight patch content will be:

12.0 - Sunwell
12.1 - Stratholme
12.1.5 - Scarlet Monastery
12.2 - K’aresh

I doubt Sunwell will be launch. I think they will try to recreate feeling from Legion where we stare at enemy (Felstorm/Sunwell) from our hub (Dalaran/Silvermoon). Imo they'll just make Amani ally with Void and start expac with long time no see Troll raid.

They could recreate Legion even further - dealing with Sunwell in 12.1 and Void Lord in Karesh in 12.2, or us finding answers how to deal with Void on Karesh in 12.1 and dealing with threat on Sunwell in 12.2. But definitely these two are strongest candidates for patch raids.

[Civciv]

I doubt Sunwell will be launch. I think they will try to recreate feeling from Legion where we stare at enemy (Felstorm/Sunwell) from our hub (Dalaran/Silvermoon). Imo they'll just make Amani ally with Void and start expac with long time no see Troll raid.

They could recreate Legion even further - dealing with Sunwell in 12.1 and Void Lord in Karesh in 12.2, or us finding answers how to deal with Void on Karesh in 12.1 and dealing with threat on Sunwell in 12.2. But definitely these two are strongest candidates for patch raids.

Xal's forces have been tracked on Zul'Aman, either Amani trolls have slaughtered them or succumbed.

[Raetary]

The Draenei quests were really good.
You can tell there was a lot of care put into it.

(Well, aside from the bone collection quest, that can go to hell)

[Nightshade711]

Primalist and Dragon eyes are NPC customizations just like Cult of the Damned skins.

The difference being that the primalist eyes had barber shop assets to them, which every other NPC customization did not have.

[Enrif]

Building on Azuremist makes sense, but I couldn't really see it being implemented in-game if that were the case. Sure, Quel'thalas might be getting revamped, but the Draenei starting zones don't really have anything there to justify a return- there's no history or anything beyond it being the place where the Exodar happened to crash. And being isolated islands, it's hard to include in a Northern Kalimdor revamp. Plus... it's just a tiny pair of islands. There isn't exactly room to expand there.

As for Forest Song, or another Kalimdor location, it also fits, but most of it is already controlled territory, and there's already been a lot of conflicts for control over Ashenvale. Would they really want to settle in the middle of their ally's ancestral home, which the Horde has a history of invading for wood? I'd imagine that they'd want their own home rather than just some borrowed land for a city.

Admittedly, I was kind of trying to fit it with what we already know is coming when I brought up the possibility of Northrend, but I think it could fit. Yes, it's different from the lands they settled in on Draenor, but Draenei are survivalists who have settled on many different worlds while fleeing the Legion. Sholazar and Grizzly Hills are both there if they want to settle in another forest (and other zones' climates could have changed during the Cataclysm). And, most importantly, it's mostly unclaimed land. There's a few small settlements left there, but with the Drakkari wiped out and the Dragons back in the Dragon Isles, there's no real civilization left. Plenty of room for them to build an actual nation without having to infringe on other races' borders.

I doubt that the draenei would move continents for their new city. Somewhere on Kalimdor would make more sense. I think the area between southern Stonetalon (bombed by the horde) and Desolace could be a good place. There is not much going on there anyway. Let's remove thunderaxe fortress and make a city that reaches into stonetalon (the area that was just scorched earth)

[Nymrohd]

The Draenei quests were really good.
You can tell there was a lot of care put into it.

(Well, aside from the bone collection quest, that can go to hell)

I am so happy to see Naielle. I wish Maladaar had been placed in a Vigilant so he'd feel more permanent. But I have to say, I do wish more of the NPCs had something to say. In the Kosh'arg almost every NPC had gossip text.

I think the new Shattrath will be built on Bloodmyst. Reason is, the Draenei would not want to displace the furbolg and night elves who are native to Azuremyst (and they'd absolutely would be displacing at least the furbolg to fit a city in that island).

Also current size doesn't matter. If this happens in game, the islands will be rebuild from scratch anyway.

[Xilurm]

If they can resize Quel'thalas in game they can certainly do the same for Azuremyst and Bloodmyst.

Are they building a new Shattrath though?

[Auxis]

I’d not be against Elves in Warcraft being similar to the Githyanki from Baldur’s Gate 3 in terms of features and proportions. Just a little less lizard like.

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I agree. Underlings can be just as interesting, if not moreso than who they serve.

My personal hope though is that Locus Walker is an avatar or fragment of Dimensius.

I think the Elder Scrolls elves are pretty good example; alien looking while also looking like a bog-standard elf.

[Valysar]

The Deak Heart questline was pretty underwhelming. The Locus-Walker return was pretty nice tho

[Auxis]

Done the Draenei heritage, just starting the Darkspear one now:

Draenei are finally gonna build some stuff! And a city to boot!! I'm guessing it's probably going to be on Azuremyst/Bloodmyst given they pretty much just cleansed Bloodmyst of all current forms of corruption. But I guess that raises the question of when it will be built? We'll be in Khaz Algar, Quel'thalas, and Northrend for the next 3 expansions. Maybe we'll get a sort of world-revamp after TLT?

[Dracullus]

Revamped Azuremyst/Bloodmyst would be perfect launching point for Avaloren expansion.

Maybe we'll get a sort of world-revamp after TLT?[/spoiler]

Why would we have Quel'Thalas expansion (by expansion I mean expanding 2 zones to whole huge continent) if they want to revamp EK/Kalimdor Cata style? MD/TLT way is both more doable and interesting way of revamping world.