The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Worldshaper]

We know what the Dark Heart is. It has nothing to do with Pandaria. It is just the Demon Soul 2.0.

Iridikron literally calls it the Dark Heart here, so it's not even ambigious.

If you had actually read my post, you would have seen that I already know this.

My question was if the artifact might be a red herring, since it's so on the nose. A bit like when Sylvanas said Anduin had lied to himself and his people, or when Alleria said she felt like she had already died twice, in reference to Old God whispers.

[SilverLion]

God the amount of people wanting that stupid axe...so glad we didn't get it.

Knaak has some good points, to be fair. As I recall he's responsible for how much more expanded the dragon lore is, isn't he?

On the flip side though we have Raptor Jesus Rhonin and all that...

He did a lot of the groundwork that's used for the Dragons, yeah. For better or worse. I think what really just checked me out of Night of the Dragon was the literal "Rhonin from out of nowhere to save the day" in the second act. Dude had nothing to do with the main story at all besides being Vereesa's husband and just ported into the middle of shit to save everyone.

[Makorus]

If you had actually read my post, you would have seen that I already know this.

My question was if the artifact might be a red herring, since it's so on the nose. A bit like when Sylvanas said Anduin had lied to himself and his people, or when Alleria said she felt like she had already died twice, in reference to Old God whispers.

We know the quest names and there is nothing indicating anything about Y'shaarj or Pandaria. Sometimes, a Neltharion trinket is just a Neltharion trinket.

I don't even see how it's on the nose? Because it's the name of a patch that deals with the owner of the Artifact? Not everything needs to be 4D chess.

"Guardians of the Dream can't refer to the Emerald Dream, it's too on the nose!"

[Worldshaper]

It is the artifact.

Maybe.

Could be a red herring. We're literally going to Pandaria next, doing Harbinger Quests in a timeywimey setting.

As you know, Y'Shaarj's heart was a dark heart, and the MoP scenario to find it was called Dark Heart of Pandaria.

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We know the quest names and there is nothing indicating anything about Y'shaarj or Pandaria. Sometimes, a Neltharion trinket is just a Neltharion trinket.

I don't even see how it's on the nose? Because it's the name of a patch that deals with the owner of the Artifact? Not everything needs to be 4D chess.

"Guardians of the Dream can't refer to the Emerald Dream, it's too on the nose!"

There's a bunch of quests on that list without clear meaning, though. We know the Void Elves and Telogrus Rift are involved, but that's it.

[Murlocos]

Knaak discourse is what really makes me feel the pain in my back and knees. Almost makes you pine for the golden days of Cataclysm Story forum debates over who has the rightful claim to Lordaeron.

[milkmustache]

Maybe.

Could be a red herring. We're literally going to Pandaria next, doing Harbinger Quests in a timeywimey setting.

As you know, Y'Shaarj's heart was a dark heart, and the MoP scenario to find it was called Dark Heart of Pandaria.

As much as I think we're looking at just another macguffin-esque item, I think you're completely correct that it's worthy of some form of speculation. There is bound to be more to it than just Neltharion object, and knowing that the Nerubians are mining the blood of an Old God, it is incredibly within reason to suspect that there's a bit more to be seen here.

[Makorus]

As much as I think we're looking at just another macguffin-esque item, I think you're completely correct that it's worthy of some form of speculation. There is bound to be more to it than just Neltharion object, and knowing that the Nerubians are mining the blood of an Old God, it is incredibly within reason to suspect that there's a bit more to be seen here.

I mean, yeah, obviously there is more to it. We literally saw it absorb Galakronds essence.

I just don't seee the connection between "patch is called Dark Heart after the item" and "Y'shaarj is gonna be involved because some scenarios are called "Dark Heart" in MoP".

It's like saying that 10.2 is going to have Yogg in it because it's called "Guardians of the Dream" and Yogg said he is the lucid dream.

[Kiivar86]

He did a lot of the groundwork that's used for the Dragons, yeah. For better or worse. I think what really just checked me out of Night of the Dragon was the literal "Rhonin from out of nowhere to save the day" in the second act. Dude had nothing to do with the main story at all besides being Vereesa's husband and just ported into the middle of shit to save everyone.

There's that and also a lot of his work in the Well of Eternity trilogy amounted to "they charged forward, then fell back" repeated ad nauseam. Combat can be hard to depict in writing at times but god it was boring.

Knaak discourse is what really makes me feel the pain in my back and knees. Almost makes you pine for the golden days of Cataclysm Story forum debates over who has the rightful claim to Lordaeron.

I can bring up the lamp posts, if you'd like.

[milkmustache]

I mean, yeah, obviously there is more to it. We literally saw it absorb Galakronds essence.

I just don't seee the connection between "patch is called Dark Heart after the item" and "Y'shaarj is gonna be involved because some scenarios are called "Dark Heart" in MoP".

It's like saying that 10.2 is going to have Yogg in it because it's called "Guardians of the Dream" and Yogg said he is the lucid dream.

I mean, I think there's a bit more than that to it. WorldShaper made good points. It just is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that the questline regarding the Harbinger of a Void Lord has to do with an Old God. Blizzard has been very keen to mention that Khaz Algar is just west of Pandaria, they've launched a brand new event to replay the entirity of MoP.

It is very likely they're just coincidental, but I don't think its possible to deny a connection.

[SilverLion]

Knaak discourse is what really makes me feel the pain in my back and knees. Almost makes you pine for the golden days of Cataclysm Story forum debates over who has the rightful claim to Lordaeron.

Yep it's why I have the stance about the story I do. I remember Knaak, I remember the massive angry lore nerds furious about the Battle for Undercity, I remember the shitstorm that was Anderhol. If people think the story is bad now, it used to be way way way worse. Like unbearly bad. Oh and my personal bug bear "There must always be a Lich King!" There was no real explanation as to why besides "ghost king said Arthas didn't really mean it" at the 11th hour. The literal dumbest asspull in all of my time as a WoW fan.

There's that and also a lot of his work in the Well of Eternity trilogy amounted to "they charged forward, then fell back" repeated ad nauseam. Combat can be hard to depict in writing at times but god it was boring.

The one good fight in all of Night of the Dragon was Rhom and his dwarves. Pretty good descriptions there. Felt very Salvatore. Arguably too much detail but I'm a whore for good combat descriptions.

[Worldshaper]

Just speculating, of course. But I think there's a chance see the Old Gods again somehow, in some form.

Gazlowe has a short story coming in November, right before 11.1's Undermine content. Kaja'mite is still unexplained.

It cam easily be assumed that we've collected essence of N’Zoth when he was stabbed with the blade, and Yogg-Saron when we visited Galakrond. In 10.2.7 and 11.0 were basically heading into territory previously held by Y'Shaarj and C'thun. It's not unthinkable we'll do something similar there.

The Old Gods spoke of a black forest we've yet to see, and a rook that watches from the dead trees.
N'Zoth said the sleepers shall awaken.

I don't know, I think the Nerubians are just the start of what's to come. I think there's a good chance we'll encounter something far worse, in a much more dangerous place, before War Within is over.

Perhaps once we stop Queen Ansurek, get the Earthen back to work at the Coreway, and Xal'atath is done harvesting Old God blood, Undermine will be the launch of our second journey deeper below, to some kind of subterranean world filled with Kaiju-like Void creatures.

[Makorus]

I think they are done with Old Gods. Yeah, the Nerubians are harvesting the blood of the Old Gods, but I think they are gonna keep the Old Gods dead-dead and gonna transition to Void Lords.

[Dracullus]

You know what would be cool? If 11.1 is really Undermine, but instead by boat we travel there by underground tunnel connected to Khaz Algar and then to the Kezan surface.

[Darkarath]

Just speculating, of course. But I think there's a chance see the Old Gods again somehow, in some form.

Gazlowe has a short story coming in November, right before 11.1's Undermine content. Kaja'mite is still unexplained.

It cam easily be assumed that we've collected essence of N’Zoth when he was stabbed with the blade, and Yogg-Saron when we visited Galakrond. In 10.2.7 and 11.0 were basically heading into territory previously held by Y'Shaarj and C'thun. It's not unthinkable we'll do something similar there.

The Old Gods spoke of a black forest we've yet to see, and a rook that watches from the dead trees.
N'Zoth said the sleepers shall awaken.

I don't know, I think the Nerubians are just the start of what's to come. I think there's a good chance we'll encounter something far worse, in a much more dangerous place, before War Within is over.

Perhaps once we stop Queen Ansurek, get the Earthen back to work at the Coreway, and Xal'atath is done harvesting Old God blood, Undermine will be the launch of our second journey deeper below, to some kind of subterranean world filled with Kaiju-like Void creatures.

I also believe that at some point they will be back.

In my dreams they do so but in a humanoid form or semi humanoid form.

Honestly being such huge behemoths I do not think that they can develop them properly. But as humanoids? Hiding among us? The Old Gods could cause wars with a whisper in the right ear.

I do not think that they will be back in the WSS, though, at least not as the main focus.

[Ersula]

It is the artifact.

It is a clever entendre for the title of the patch; The mcguffin Xal'atath needed, the heritage of the Dark(spear) a reference to what Garrosh sought in Pandaria (Remix)

[Makabreska]

I don't miss Old Gods. They were all zero personality, same plan, one-liner spamming blobs of flesh. N'zoth had promise, but it was wasted with his Lich King style of plan. Xal'atath and the "new Void" are already 100 times more interesting.

[Worldshaper]

Why is the patch called Dark Heart, by the way?

Is Xal'atath going to show up, plunder Telogrus Rift and say "ha, ha! Now my Dark Heart is complete!"?

The name of the patch makes more sense if it's a reference to something she wants to achieve in the patch.

Besides, A Song of the Depths said the heart will be collected after Galakrond's essence. But they found the artifact before. And it didn't look broken.

[Raetary]

Why is the patch called Dark Heart, by the way?

Is Xal'atath going to show up, plunder Telogrus Rift and say "ha, ha! Now my Dark Heart is complete!"?

The name of the patch makes more sense if it's a reference to something she wants to achieve in the patch.

Or you know, the patch is simply named that way because the McGuffin is in focus and we will learn what it's about?

[Ersula]

Besides, A Song of the Depths said the heart will be collected after Galakrond's essence. But they found the artifact before. And it didn't look broken.

Xal recieved it from Iridikron after be used it to absorb Galakrond's essence. Thus she "collected" it after that.

She's obviously going to do something with it. That's why the patch is called that.

[Xilurm]

They're releasing MoP Remix and Cata Classic 4 days apart. Seems weird.