The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Auxis]

Wishful thinking; but I hope 2h Enh in SoD was some attempt at testing how to get 2h Enh working in Retail. 2h Enh isn't a role change like shaman tanking, rogue tanking, mage healing, etc. The only real hurdle beyond tuning would be getting Stormstrike and Lava Lash to work for a 2h weapon.

It would be another W for Blizz imo. Plus with Thrall taking a leading role again, being a shaman with a 2h axe; it would make sense to let players replicate that fantasy.

[Kiivar86]

It would be another W for Blizz imo. Plus with Thrall taking a leading role again, being a shaman with a 2h axe; it would make sense to let players replicate that fantasy.

In regards to Thrall, I do recall seeing some TWW alpha impression making note of how Thrall seemed to be using a lot of warrior abilities, though there was some Blizzard person saying to not take it too seriously or somesuch. But it is food for thought.

[Lady Atia]

Wishful thinking; but I hope 2h Enh in SoD was some attempt at testing how to get 2h Enh working in Retail. 2h Enh isn't a role change like shaman tanking, rogue tanking, mage healing, etc. The only real hurdle beyond tuning would be getting Stormstrike and Lava Lash to work for a 2h weapon.

It would be another W for Blizz imo. Plus with Thrall taking a leading role again, being a shaman with a 2h axe; it would make sense to let players replicate that fantasy.

Or you just fix the problem via transmog? Allow people to transmog their weapons similiar to artifacts, so an enhancer could use a 2h weapon (would need new animations but would be worth it imo) or f.e. fury could decide if they want 2h or 1h weapons.

Every single time they tried to fix that problem via talents it didn't work out in the end because one build will be mathematicaly better anyways.

[Ersula]

In regards to Thrall, I do recall seeing some TWW alpha impression making note of how Thrall seemed to be using a lot of warrior abilities, though there was some Blizzard person saying to not take it too seriously or somesuch. But it is food for thought.

He did that in Shadowlands too. I think it's there because he wanted a good reason for his wife to become the spiritual leader of the Frostwolves, which would feel forced if Thrall is supposedly the greatest Shaman ever. I think now it's just their mentality that the major characters are like two classes simultaneously, for example Tyrande being a Priest & Hunter. Thrall is supposed to be a Shaman and a Warrior.

[Kiivar86]

He did that in Shadowlands too. I think it's there because he wanted a good reason for his wife to become the spiritual leader of the Frostwolves, which would feel forced if Thrall is supposedly the greatest Shaman ever. I think now it's just their mentality that the major characters are like two classes simultaneously, for example Tyrande being a Priest & Hunter. Thrall is supposed to be a Shaman and a Warrior.

Though he did use elements in Shadowlands too, I remember in Torghast specifically. True about the dual-classing though.

[Ersula]

Wishful thinking; but I hope 2h Enh in SoD was some attempt at testing how to get 2h Enh working in Retail. 2h Enh isn't a role change like shaman tanking, rogue tanking, mage healing, etc. The only real hurdle beyond tuning would be getting Stormstrike and Lava Lash to work for a 2h weapon.

It would be another W for Blizz imo. Plus with Thrall taking a leading role again, being a shaman with a 2h axe; it would make sense to let players replicate that fantasy.

I think it is something they want to do. Considering there are int two-handed weapons in Dragonflight, which are only for Holy Paladins, but they don't make sense for them because they need a shield for Shield of the Righteous. We went an entire expansion with weapons on the loot table that are designed for no one.

[Lady Atia]

He did that in Shadowlands too. I think it's there because he wanted a good reason for his wife to become the spiritual leader of the Frostwolves, which would feel forced if Thrall is supposedly the greatest Shaman ever. I think now it's just their mentality that the major characters are like two classes simultaneously, for example Tyrande being a Priest & Hunter. Thrall is supposed to be a Shaman and a Warrior.

I still wait for the day we can dual-class too, just not sure if it's needed at this stage. If it's just that you can swap your class like your talents it would be a bit boring, and if you could mix and match talents/abilities it would be a balance nightmare and only achievable if they disabled the combat log and details lol.

[Raetary]

In-universe characters are not "dual-classing".

Classes, as they exist in-game, are a means to enable gameplay.
They don't exist in-universe as they exist for us.

Thrall didn't go through a character creation screen where he picked his favorite class, he simply learnt to be one in life.

[CasualFilth]

Anyone else kinda meh about Season 4 and just waiting for TWW? Not hating, just feeling like they are done with the expac.

[Valysar]

Anyone else kinda meh about Season 4 and just waiting for TWW? Not hating, just feeling like they are done with the expac.

Yeah, I'm waiting Remix : MoP, for S4 I'll just farm the raid/MM+ mounts and byebye

[CasualFilth]

Yeah, I'm waiting Remix : MoP, for S4 I'll just farm the raid/MM+ mounts and byebye

I'm super casual, I don't have it in me for more gear grinding (main is at low Heroic ilvl - 3 alts on NM ilvl). Wish this Season didn't up the ilvl and let us faceroll the old raids.

[Ersula]

In-universe characters are not "dual-classing".

Classes, as they exist in-game, are a means to enable gameplay.
They don't exist in-universe as they exist for us.

Thrall didn't go through a character creation screen where he picked his favorite class, he simply learnt to be one in life.

How is any of that relevant to what we're talking about. Of course we're talking about the classes conceptually.

[Eldryth]

Anyone else kinda meh about Season 4 and just waiting for TWW? Not hating, just feeling like they are done with the expac.

I was kind of looking forward to it at first, but Remix completely overshadowed it for me. Now I'm hoping that the raids are tuned to be easy so I can get all the Heroics done in one cycle and move on to Remix when it launches.

[Kiivar86]

Anyone else kinda meh about Season 4 and just waiting for TWW? Not hating, just feeling like they are done with the expac.

I'm happy to be able to fill out my transmog library for the most part, as ever.

In other news, confirmed that timerunning characters are eligible for heritage armor, you just can't do the quest(s) for it until the event ends and your character is ported back to retail.

[Nymrohd]

Heritage armor WILL be awarded for Timerunning!

[leothar]

I think they drop normal raid ilvl loot and give Hero 1/6 at the Vault?

Hard mode drops hero track gear from bosses actually.

[Sondrelk]

I think it is something they want to do. Considering there are int two-handed weapons in Dragonflight, which are only for Holy Paladins, but they don't make sense for them because they need a shield for Shield of the Righteous. We went an entire expansion with weapons on the loot table that are designed for no one.

Int swords were designed for Evoker actually.

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Anyone else kinda meh about Season 4 and just waiting for TWW? Not hating, just feeling like they are done with the expac.

The last season in DF and SL were both seemingly designed with the intent of just giving players some variety until the next expansion, so I don't think what you are feeling is all that surprising.

Personally I just enjoy having a bit more variety in raiding, and a chance to get the remaining DF portals I didnt get from Season 1.

[Raetary]

Anyone else kinda meh about Season 4 and just waiting for TWW? Not hating, just feeling like they are done with the expac.

Don't care about the season either.
I'll check it out to see the new Dungeon overhaul, but that's it.

I'm waiting for Remix and the Dark Heart quests.

[Fiercelord]

I was hoping for a new playable PTR build today

[Ersula]

I could see another set of Hero talents that are spec exclusive. So you have two cross spec and one spec- exclusive option.

This is definitely in the realm of possibilities. I think they wanted 2 to start with so every spec would have a choice & had them shared for the sake of simplicity. Now it just depends on what interesting gimmicks they can think of, and if one of those gimmicks only works for one spec that's fine. In fact we might see a Hero spec that appears for multiple classes in the future: For example a hero spec that appears as an option for all tanks, or maybe just plate-wearing tanks. Or a hero spec for Demons Hunters and Warlocks.

If we're supposedly getting multiple classes during The Worldsoul Saga I can see them double-up new hero specs so every spec gets another option by the end. For example:

Blood of the Legion (AoE DPS, Affliction Warlock, Demonology Warlock, both Demon Hunter specs)
Lord of the Arena (Barbarian Tank, Protection Warrior, Protection Paladin, Blood DK)
Aspectral Flame (AoE DPS, Fire Mage, Devastation Evoker, Destruction Warlock)
Ascended One (Mistweaver, Resto Druid & Resto Shaman)