The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Zardas]

Hell if Khadgar is living and ended up on K'aresh due to Xal'atath and the destruction of Dalaran, he could do for them what he did for the Demon hunters in Legion, this all hinges on whether he unequivocally perishes in the cinematic.

Kadgar just can't stop getting stranded in another planet and setting things up for us for a later expansion.

[JDBlou]

The Goblinraid item, plus some goblin foreshadowing in the main quests and zones, point to Undermine.

However, the Harronir, a missing "Zone 4" in Khaz Algar that is likely located near the Harronir, and a "Rootlands" map that isn't in the game, imply there will be a life-themed Rootlands zone.

Unsure if this means they are 11.1 and 11.2 respectively or it's something else. But we're very likely getting at LEAST a Goblin Raid and a Harronir Zone.

This Rootlands, are we operating on the assumption that those are the roots of Elun'ahir and the harronir its guardians and maybe if the lore team have their cake and eat it too, the closest point to the worldsoul itself and therefore important to protect as a final stand against the nerubians and Xal'atath corrupting the worldsoul directly? This feels like a retread of amirdrassil to me so I'm hoping for something a little different.

Could be a mechagon/ .5 patch thing and have it be the place for the mega dungeon, and a small zone like Forbidden reach, while leaving some titan facility for 11.2 on the Coreway as the final zone of the patch.

Kadgar just can't stop getting stranded in another planet and setting things up for us for a later expansion.

I mean, if there was one person for the job...

[allegrian]

Are we sure about that? Because the Aspects & Titans are largely lore devised by the vanilla WoW people, while Metzen was making Warcraft 3. And we can't be sure the Titan parts of Chronicle 1 were written by him & not the other two writers. I think him having one Keeper, be good (Tyr) while the others are all being depicted as malicious is just good for characterization.

Metzen wrote the whole titan stuff for wow and he loved it so much that kept pushing it to the team as his main focus. It is explained in the wow diary about wow vanilla development. Metzen LOVED his titan lore.

[Raetary]

We also already fought Aggramar in Legion, no need to make us fight him again.

Us having already battled someone shouldn't dictate the narrative.
Especially when the first fight was in a vastly different context than the next one would be.

[Cheezits]

This Rootlands, are we operating on the assumption that those are the roots of Elun'ahir and the harronir its guardians and maybe if the lore team have their cake and eat it too, the closest point to the worldsoul itself and therefore important to protect as a final stand against the nerubians and Xal'atath corrupting the worldsoul directly? This feels like a retread of amirdrassil to me so I'm hoping for something a little different.

Yeah, it's suspiciously Amirdrassil sounding, so I wonder how they would differentiate it. Probably no fire, but primordial life?

[Nightshade711]

I think you're right, K'aresh feels big enough to be a Argus type situation and if we kill Dimensius there at some great cost, that'll be enough to get the Titans' attention and send them on a collision course with us for the Last Titan (especially if they're as scared of the void lords as Sargeras was).

I definitely could see us getting playable Ethereals then, with a K'aresh starting zone that somehow leads them to joining the horde or alliance? Hell if Khadgar is living and ended up on K'aresh due to Xal'atath and the destruction of Dalaran, he could do for them what he did for the Demon hunters in Legion, this all hinges on whether he unequivocally perishes in the cinematic.

Will the 11.2 patch be some titan construction in the Coreway then?

I definitely am based on gut instinct, thinking we'll see a new race as a box feature for midnight and a new class for the Last Titan (maybe something based on Titan tech that I will not go into specifics about in order to avoid the wrath of they who shall not be named)

I could see an Ethereal starting zone being something like this:
The Ethereals we play resettled K’aresh (something mentioned in BC?) and we’re forced to flee again because Xal’atath attacks. (Maybe to restore/manifest Dimensius or empower herself to become a void lord)

I could see us being part of the Protectorate or some other anti-void faction within the Ethereals.

[Cheezits]

I could see an Ethereal starting zone being something like this:
The Ethereals we play resettled K’aresh (something mentioned in BC?) and we’re forced to flee again because Xal’atath attacks. (Maybe to restore/manifest Dimensius or empower herself to become a void lord)

I could see us being part of the Protectorate or some other anti-void faction within the Ethereals.

I think it's half and half on Ethereals vs Naga. Ethereals have the set up through Dimensius, but as we see with the one in Nerubar, they don't seem to be interested in messing with their models (at least yet). Naga meanwhile have been MIA, have also been set up, and MAY be one of the "elf tribes" Metzen was talking about. Technically.

Also if Dalaran crashes into the sea, that may play a part. As they have an Arcane background.

[Raetary]

Speaking of Elun'ahir.

That zone would be the perfect place to bring back a certain keeper that hasn't been involved ingame since fucking ever.

[JDBlou]

I could see an Ethereal starting zone being something like this:
The Ethereals we play resettled K’aresh (something mentioned in BC?) and we’re forced to flee again because Xal’atath attacks. (Maybe to restore/manifest Dimensius or empower herself to become a void lord)

I could see us being part of the Protectorate or some other anti-void faction within the Ethereals.

I'm not too sure on Ethereal lore beside the broad strokes but what if we're some small group of survivors eking out a subdued existence on the ruins of K'aresh pulling off guerilla attacks on the void-aligned ethereals in a starting zone that eventually sees us freeing Khadgar or some important Mcguffin and fleeing to Azeroth promising to return setting the stage for a 12.2 K'aresh Zone and Raid. Backed by the Army of Light in the final stand foreshadowed in the Legion comic with Velen and Anduin (who's looking old and weathered but not *that* old and weathered)

Real Talk: I want that Ethereal Camel mount like Saraad from Hearthstone.

Speaking of Elun'ahir.

That zone would be the perfect place to bring back a certain keeper that hasn't been involved ingame since fucking ever.

Freya absolutely should be in the game if we're dealing with anything related to Eonar and world trees.

[allegrian]

I won't read the full spoilers for now, but can we say that they are setting up the titan theme in a major way in TWW already or is it just mostly void stuff?

[Khaza-R]

I think it's half and half on Ethereals vs Naga. Ethereals have the set up through Dimensius, but as we see with the one in Nerubar, they don't seem to be interested in messing with their models (at least yet). Naga meanwhile have been MIA, have also been set up, and MAY be one of the "elf tribes" Metzen was talking about. Technically.

Also if Dalaran crashes into the sea, that may play a part. As they have an Arcane background.

Their comment on why there won't be a nerubian AR pretty much solidifies that naga won't happen either. Its a shame but any humaniod race is way more likey.

[JDBlou]

I won't read the full spoilers for now, but can we say that they are setting up the titan theme in a major way in TWW already or is it just mostly void stuff?

Had a look at it myself earlier, and in my opinion some of the titan stuff seems more like an immediate situation to resolve than something that will impact TLT, I could just be misinterpreting that though. We'll definitely have some major build up by the final expansion patch though.

[allegrian]

Their comment on why there won't be a nerubian AR pretty much solidifies that naga won't happen either. Its a shame but any humaniod race is way more likey.

I think blizzard should make it clear that not every new npc race will be an AR even if they reuse playable model, it would be unsustainable to have so many races. I'd be ok with no playable harronir at all. They should just add 1 race per expansion if it makes sense and has proper worldbuilding and protagonism in the expansion.

[Raetary]

I won't read the full spoilers for now, but can we say that they are setting up the titan theme in a major way in TWW already or is it just mostly void stuff?

From what i've seen, the Titan theme is primarily local.
Earthen and their edicts, the Coreways reconstruction and the Earthen factory.

There's worldbuilding involving a keeper and a titan construct that paints them as tyrannical and controlling, but that's about it.

The rest of the narrative is about the void.

[Khaza-R]

I think blizzard should make it clear that not every new npc race will be an AR even if they reuse playable model, it would be unsustainable to have so many races. I'd be ok with no playable harronir at all. They should just add 1 race per expansion if it makes sense and has proper worldbuilding and protagonism in the expansion.

The more I see of harronir, the more I don't want them. Just way too similar to Night Elves. These ARs need some originality at this point.

[Worldshaper]

I just want Vrykul, man. Do you know the band Heilung? I want to create a Norse-ass warrior character with sick warpaint, runic tattoos, braided hair and a metal beard.

It's funny how Night Elves, if customised the right way, are currently the closest thing to that.

[Merryck]

I just want Vrykul, man. Do you know the band Heilung? I want to create a Norse-ass warrior character with sick warpaint, runic tattoos, braided hair and a metal beard.

It's funny how Night Elves, if customised the right way, are currently the closest thing to that.

How is that not Dwarf

[allegrian]

The more I see of harronir, the more I don't want them. Just way too similar to Night Elves. These ARs need some originality at this point.

It doesn't help that we have already 2 AR using the night elf rig. If harronir males had the male troll model with NE features it'd have been more interesting.

[Cheezits]

Their comment on why there won't be a nerubian AR pretty much solidifies that naga won't happen either. Its a shame but any humaniod race is way more likey.

Their reasoning for "no Nerubian AR" is because they say the arms make it difficult. However, the two-legged, four armed but humanoid nerubians have animations to hold every weapon that you can view on Wowhead. They also said not in TWW. I don't think the animations question is a real argument and they may have been referring to the regular Nerubians too, which would make sense.

From a logic persepective, it doesn't really make sense why they would introduce this wacky Nerubian form for any other reason than eventual playability. It's just more work for what, a one-off raid mob? That, lorewise, wouldn't appear in The Last Titan barring as a race from Azj-Kahet? So it's not like they will be able to reuse them.

[Lady Atia]

It doesn't help that we have already 2 AR using the night elf rig. If harronir males had the male troll model with NE features it'd have been more interesting.

No one wants to play another hunched over ugly race?

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Their comment on why there won't be a nerubian AR pretty much solidifies that naga won't happen either. Its a shame but any humaniod race is way more likey.

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