The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Mekkle]

Wonder if they'll revive Archaedas for TLT

[Throren]

I'm sure I missed some people.

Meanwhile Khaz'goroth

[Cheezits]

Meanwhile Khaz'goroth

I legit could not tell you what his power is. Golg is Arcane right?

[Ersula]

I think the Titans themselves are largely indifferent figures, and they will be kept agnostic to the story. Though a lot of that depends on if Azeroth is naturally supposed to be a titan, or it is the titans themselves that have to turn a world soul into a titan manually; if what we see in Zereth Mortis was accurate to Titans.

It's the Keepers & Watchers themselves that form opposition, simply by them interpreting directives given to them by the Titans removed from context by hundreds of thousands of years.

[Cheezits]

I think the Titans themselves are largely indifferent figures, and they will be kept agnostic to the story. Though a lot of that depends on if Azeroth is naturally supposed to be a titan, or it is the titans themselves that have to turn a world soul into a titan manually; if what we see in Zereth Mortis was accurate to Titans.

It's the Keepers & Watchers themselves that form opposition, simply by them interpreting directives given to them by the Titans removed from context by hundreds of thousands of years.

Which is why I think a plotline consisting of "Odyn assumes direct control of the Keepers, mad at Tyr for allowing the dragons to come back, starting a civil war in Northrend" would have been a better plot than "lol the titans come back" but alas.

Both things could happen but I really think keeping the Titans and Illidan away would've worked.

[allegrian]

Excited to see the Magni cinematic is labeled as an actual pre-rendered cinematic and not a real time cutscene

This will be the first time Dwarves have ever really been seen in any of those high quality cinematics save the less than 3 seconds of Magni going "The seat of the Panethon!" in legion. Actually they were the only main race that hasnt really been in one before

Gnomes still haven't appeared in expansion trailer-level cinematics tho. Trolls debuted in bfa and got a zandalari in DF (which featured the first female dwarf in those!). Gnomes are the only core race that haven't appeared in those high quality cgs.

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My take on it:

Good Guys
Eonar
Aggramar (the only horde titan lol)
Tyr
Freya

Bad Guys
Aman'thul (duh)
Odyn (taking over Howling Fjord Vrykul)
Hodir (reluctantly, maybe was threatened through frost giants)

Wild Cards
Mimiron (can go either way)
Thorim (would be sad because hes our bro but not as lore bro as Tyr)
Golganeth
that hearthstone titan

I'm sure I missed some people.

The hearthstone titan is the paladin titan, so she would be in the same team as Tyr

[Zardas]

The hearthstone titan is the paladin titan, so she would be in the same team as Tyr

Then Hodir should be in the same team as Aggramar.

[Cheezits]

Then Hodir should be in the same team as Aggramar.

I think they will make Frost Giants a force we have to liberate, as they are right outside of Ulduar, so I can see Hodir being a reluctant antagonist.

[Raetary]

I feel like it's pretty hard to discern what titan would be on the antagonist side (aside from Aman'thul) without seeing their individual personalities or how far they are entrenched in their respective talents/domains.

Eonar has Elun'ahir as a reason to defy Aman'thul and Aggramar is supposed to be the good guy soldier.

Golganneth, Norgannon and Khaz are all up in the air, but i can't really see any of them not be able to be convinced to help us.
Norgannon is the most likely antagonist, as we know he has the whole magic-policing thing going on.

There's also the potential that some of them might just go neutral.
Maybe we convince them enough to give us a chance, but not enough to fully defy Aman'thul, or maybe they drop out of the conflict altogether.

[Zardas]

I think they will make Frost Giants a force we have to liberate, as they are right outside of Ulduar, so I can see Hodir being a reluctant antagonist.

Absolutely, but what I meant was that the class-association in hs for the titans and keepers was often due to gameplay requirement, rather than pure lore flavor, making it an unrealiable source to guess which keeper and titans should be in which team.

[JDBlou]

With the leak of the "GoblinRaid" Weapon and some wild guessing with a smattering of predictable choices do we have a rough outline of where we can speculate this expansion ends?

Like is it fair to assume 11.1 is an Undermine Zone and Raid with Xal'atath looking for the latest McGuffin, and could we see an 11.2 K'aresh zone with the abundance of ethereals in the first raid and Xal'atath being the herald of Dimensius, and the expansion sees us fail to stop Dimensius entering our world through a corrupted Sunwell, setting the stage for Midnight? Or is K'aresh the be all and end all of Midnight instead?

[Raetary]

Like is it fair to assume 11.1 is an Undermine Zone and Raid with Xal'atath looking for the latest McGuffin, and could we see an 11.2 K'aresh zone with the abundance of ethereals in the first raid and Xal'atath being the herald of Dimensius, and the expansion sees us fail to stop Dimensius entering our world through a corrupted Sunwell, setting the stage for Midnight? Or is K'aresh the be all and end all of Midnight instead?

Our objectives in TWW are leading us down the Coreway to Azeroths World Soul.
The last raid is almost certainly gonna involve that.

if we visit Ka'resh, it will be in Midnight.

[Jolly Roger]

Eonar just rubs me the wrong way

also do the titans have some sort of cosmic exchange program?? because Eonar is a life titan but life is a different force entirely and elune left her sister to join a pantheon
possible the other titan from the pantheon of order is in another pantheon temporarily?

[JDBlou]

Our objectives in TWW are leading us down the Coreway to Azeroths World Soul.
The last raid is almost certainly gonna involve that.

if we visit Ka'resh, it will be in Midnight.

I think you're right, K'aresh feels big enough to be a Argus type situation and if we kill Dimensius there at some great cost, that'll be enough to get the Titans' attention and send them on a collision course with us for the Last Titan (especially if they're as scared of the void lords as Sargeras was).

I definitely could see us getting playable Ethereals then, with a K'aresh starting zone that somehow leads them to joining the horde or alliance? Hell if Khadgar is living and ended up on K'aresh due to Xal'atath and the destruction of Dalaran, he could do for them what he did for the Demon hunters in Legion, this all hinges on whether he unequivocally perishes in the cinematic.

Will the 11.2 patch be some titan construction in the Coreway then?

I definitely am based on gut instinct, thinking we'll see a new full race as a box feature for midnight and a new class for the Last Titan (maybe something based on Titan tech that I will not go into specifics about in order to avoid the wrath of they who shall not be named)

[Cheezits]

With the leak of the "GoblinRaid" Weapon and some wild guessing with a smattering of predictable choices do we have a rough outline of where we can speculate this expansion ends?

Like is it fair to assume 11.1 is an Undermine Zone and Raid with Xal'atath looking for the latest McGuffin, and could we see an 11.2 K'aresh zone with the abundance of ethereals in the first raid and Xal'atath being the herald of Dimensius, and the expansion sees us fail to stop Dimensius entering our world through a corrupted Sunwell, setting the stage for Midnight? Or is K'aresh the be all and end all of Midnight instead?

The Goblinraid item, plus some goblin foreshadowing in the main quests and zones, point to Undermine.

However, the Harronir, a missing "Zone 4" in Khaz Algar that is likely located near the Harronir, and a "Rootlands" map that isn't in the game, imply there will be a life-themed Rootlands zone.

Unsure if this means they are 11.1 and 11.2 respectively or it's something else. But we're very likely getting at LEAST a Goblin Raid and a Harronir Zone.

[allegrian]

I feel like it's pretty hard to discern what titan would be on the antagonist side (aside from Aman'thul) without seeing their individual personalities or how far they are entrenched in their respective talents/domains.

Eonar has Elun'ahir as a reason to defy Aman'thul and Aggramar is supposed to be the good guy soldier.

Golganneth, Norgannon and Khaz are all up in the air, but i can't really see any of them not be able to be convinced to help us.
Norgannon is the most likely antagonist, as we know he has the whole magic-policing thing going on.

There's also the potential that some of them might just go neutral.
Maybe we convince them enough to give us a chance, but not enough to fully defy Aman'thul, or maybe they drop out of the conflict altogether.

We also already fought Aggramar in Legion, no need to make us fight him again.

[Zardas]

Hell if Khadgar is living and ended up on K'aresh due to Xal'atath and the destruction of Dalaran, he could do for them what he did for the Demon hunters in Legion, this all hinges on whether he unequivocally perishes in the cinematic.

Kadgar just can't stop getting stranded in another planet and setting things up for us for a later expansion.

[JDBlou]

The Goblinraid item, plus some goblin foreshadowing in the main quests and zones, point to Undermine.

However, the Harronir, a missing "Zone 4" in Khaz Algar that is likely located near the Harronir, and a "Rootlands" map that isn't in the game, imply there will be a life-themed Rootlands zone.

Unsure if this means they are 11.1 and 11.2 respectively or it's something else. But we're very likely getting at LEAST a Goblin Raid and a Harronir Zone.

This Rootlands, are we operating on the assumption that those are the roots of Elun'ahir and the harronir its guardians and maybe if the lore team have their cake and eat it too, the closest point to the worldsoul itself and therefore important to protect as a final stand against the nerubians and Xal'atath corrupting the worldsoul directly? This feels like a retread of amirdrassil to me so I'm hoping for something a little different.

Could be a mechagon/ .5 patch thing and have it be the place for the mega dungeon, and a small zone like Forbidden reach, while leaving some titan facility for 11.2 on the Coreway as the final zone of the patch.

Kadgar just can't stop getting stranded in another planet and setting things up for us for a later expansion.

I mean, if there was one person for the job...

[allegrian]

Are we sure about that? Because the Aspects & Titans are largely lore devised by the vanilla WoW people, while Metzen was making Warcraft 3. And we can't be sure the Titan parts of Chronicle 1 were written by him & not the other two writers. I think him having one Keeper, be good (Tyr) while the others are all being depicted as malicious is just good for characterization.

Metzen wrote the whole titan stuff for wow and he loved it so much that kept pushing it to the team as his main focus. It is explained in the wow diary about wow vanilla development. Metzen LOVED his titan lore.

[Raetary]

We also already fought Aggramar in Legion, no need to make us fight him again.

Us having already battled someone shouldn't dictate the narrative.
Especially when the first fight was in a vastly different context than the next one would be.