The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

I'm not saying straw huts are not valid, I mean that Blood Elves and Nightborne dont fit with orcs/trolls/Tauren at all and are basically opposed themes. BE are a borrowed alliance theme, the same way alliance highmountain tauren would have been a horde theme in the alliance that made little sense. Night elves and undead were their own faction in W3 so yeah they are a bit different than their core faction but they still can work fine together. And the night elves worship elune above the ancients, those are more of a druid thing. Night elves are not a tribal race and they are not a (not evil) monster race, which were the main horde themes in W3 and vanilla.

I'm not saying that the tribal horde is not valid, I mean that the weird mix they did with them and blood elves alongside bad writing, 2-3 time villain batting and killing its main characters made me feel uninterested in playing the horde seriously given my lore and inmersion preferences. I like the horde in vanilla and W3, it's just sad for me what they did with them in wow.

They made a logical progression by the Forsaken being the humans of Lordaeron. Otherwise by your own logic, the Draenei should have joined the horde because they're tribal. You saying Night Elves are druidic not tribal as if that doesn't also describe Tauren is a contradiction in your logic.

You also seem to be forgetting the High Elves turning on the alliance was also a major storyline of Warcraft 3

[allegrian]

They made a logical progression by the Forsaken being the humans of Lordaeron. Otherwise by your own logic, the Draenei should have joined the horde because they're tribal. You saying Night Elves are druidic not tribal as if that doesn't also describe Tauren is a contradiction in your logic.

You also seem to be forgetting the High Elves turning on the alliance was also a major storyline of Warcraft 3

I said that BE don't fit the hore theme, the lore reason is not important. And I didn't say they should have joined the alliance instead. In any case, the humans that wronged them were from lordaeron, not stormwind, who ironically became forsaken and also horde. It wouldn't have been hard to create a story where they go back to the stormwind alliance instead of the horde. And the Draenei are not tribal at all lol, they are the super civilisation from outer space that travelled to azeroth with a spaceship, you can't get further away from tribal than that.

Night elves and Tauren could fit toghether nicely as their own faction, but on their own tauren fit the W3 horde more, and night elves the vanilla alliance even if they have differences, like tauren being all peace talk vs the other 3 horde races being pro war/killing.

[Varodoc]

Why does everyone always forget about the Army of the Light? Am I genuinely the only one who paid attention to what Metzen was saying, didn't tunnel-vision on Elves, and noticed that Metzen mentioned the "forces of the Light" too?

Expect to see Velen, Turalyon, the Army of the Light, and possibly Yrel in Midnight.

In fact, Velen/Army of the Light will probably be much more important than the Elves in Midnight.

[Nymrohd]

Oh, of course, the concept means it must be an elf fest and that's fine enough for what it is. My main issues as it's coming up relates to how much of a bore the blood elves in general have been post-TBC and the whole 'uniting the elven tribes' business possibly turning even thiis into a night elf-athon. Oh, and whatever they do with the Amani. Visually, I'm sure they'll knock it out of the park.

I've given up on the lore anyway. I am here for the visuals and the gameplay

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I don't get the hype about broken, they're just old, ugly and decayed draenei. But most people I see asking about them are horde mains who are used to the undead model I guess (and who don't really care about the alliance getting cool races).

Alliance already has one of the coolest races, which are the mighty dwarves!
Gnomes are cool too i guess.

I always wanted broken draenei rogue, because normal draeneis are kinda booring.

[allegrian]

Why does everyone always forget about the Army of the Light? Am I genuinely the only one who paid attention to what Metzen was saying, didn't tunnel-vision on Elves, and noticed that Metzen mentioned the "forces of the Light" too?

Expect to see Velen, Turalyon, the Army of the Light, and possibly Yrel in Midnight.

In fact, Velen/Army of the Light will probably be much more important than the Elves in Midnight.

There will be a lot of paladin stuff in midnight as Metzen said it's the perfect expansion for his human paladin main.

[Varodoc]

There will be a lot of paladin stuff in midnight as Metzen said it's the perfect expansion for his human paladin main.

Yeah, he literally said "you will help the forces of the Light to banish the darkness forever" and yet people never mention the Army of the Light.

It's always Blood Elf this, Blood Elf that, how boring and bland.

Well, the matter is simple, expect to see massive Draenei/Human Paladin lore development in Midnight.

[allegrian]

Alliance already has one of the coolest races, which are the mighty dwarves!
Gnomes are cool too i guess.

I always wanted broken draenei rogue, because normal draeneis are kinda booring.

Well we got the eredar skin which is pretty cool, and horde gets dwarves now as well I guess although their story looks very alliance centric from the leaks.

I personally like zandalari a lot (I'm alliance so the blue/gold colors feel good to me) but I just HATE their running animation. I can't take it seriously, it was very disappointing after unlocking them.

[Cheezits]

There will be a lot of paladin stuff in midnight as Metzen said it's the perfect expansion for his human paladin main.

If he really did say that, then I'm not sure Lordaeron is going full Forsaken after all.

[Varodoc]

If he really did say that, then I'm not sure Lordaeron is going full Forsaken after all.

Just wondering: according to Horde players, Quel'Thalas should remain Blood Elf-exclusive (that will never happen), and also Lordaeron should be Forsaken-exclusive... so what would the Alliance get in this deal?

Gilneas? Insigificant compared to Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas.

That glorified WoD Garrison called Stromgarde?

The Hinterlands? Yawn.

[Merryck]

Just wondering: according to Horde players, Quel'Thalas should remain Blood Elf-exclusive (that will never happen), and also Lordaeron should be Forsaken-exclusive... so what would the Alliance get in this deal?

Gilneas? Insigificant compared to Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas.

That glorified WoD Garrison called Stromgarde?

The Hinterlands? Yawn.

They could give us a fully repaired Exodar.

[Ersula]

Just wondering: according to Horde players, Quel'Thalas should remain Blood Elf-exclusive (that will never happen), and also Lordaeron should be Forsaken-exclusive... so what would the Alliance get in this deal?

Gilneas? Insigificant compared to Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas.

That glorified WoD Garrison called Stromgarde?

The Hinterlands? Yawn.

You could rebuild stratholme. Not to mention Belameth is about as far from Silvermoon as Lordaeron is: That might just be the Alliance's hub for 12.0

[Dancaris]

Why should Alliance even get something from Midnight? Horde get shit from Sl-df-tww, so its not that uncommon.

[Worldshaper]

IMO:

- Let Horde control Kalimdor.
- Let Alliance control the Eastern Kingdoms.

- Silvermoon and Mount Hyjal are two neutral hubs where people from all over Azeroth gather. Still majority control by Night Elves and Blood Elves though.

- Various guerilla fighters ignore the armistice and keep fighting over territory they've lost. Like those Night Elves we found on SoD. So there's still some conflict in Ashenvale, for example.

- Draenei and Forsaken move elsewhere.

[Ersula]

IMO:

- Let Horde control Kalimdor.
- Let Alliance control the Eastern Kingdoms.

- Silvermoon and Mount Hyjal are two neutral hubs where people from all over Azeroth gather. Still majority control by Night Elves and Blood Elves though.

- Various guerilla fighters ignore the armistice and keep fighting over territory they've lost. Like those Night Elves we found on SoD. So there's still some conflict in Ashenvale, for example.

- Draenei and Forsaken move elsewhere.

That was Sylvanas' plan & it was not received well, especially by the Night Elf population.

[Nymrohd]

IMO:

- Let Horde control Kalimdor.
- Let Alliance control the Eastern Kingdoms.

- Silvermoon and Mount Hyjal are two neutral hubs where people from all over Azeroth gather. Still majority control by Night Elves and Blood Elves though.

- Various guerilla fighters ignore the armistice and keep fighting over territory they've lost. Like those Night Elves we found on SoD. So there's still some conflict in Ashenvale, for example.

- Draenei and Forsaken move elsewhere.

For me the best outcome would be to completely remove the faction barriers and then proceed with the story with each political unit being separate and able to form new alliances as needed. Throw in a timeskip after TLT so that the factions can effectively disolve. Give flexibility to the story.

[allegrian]

Why should Alliance even get something from Midnight? Horde get shit from Sl-df-tww, so its not that uncommon.

It's not about "should", it's about what's already implied or makes sense. Ion said Turalyon will do stuff in midnight, and they're setting up Alleria as a main character in the previous expansion (also there's some stuff with magister umbric for the void elves), so they're probably having some protagonism in midnight as well. Draenei could be loosely connected with the whole "light vs shadow" stuff Velen has been saying for years, but that could be scrapped just like orcs got ignored in legion. NE could play a role as well as part of the "elf unification" but I easily see those out of the picture.

From the horde we know we're getting goblin stuff in TWW, maybe some troll stuff with harronir, although they look closer to NE thematically and physically, amani stuff in midnight for sure and of course BE.

TLT is a bit harder to predict. Titans and ulduar are related directly to dwarves, gnomes and humans of course, but we could get some taunka and drakkari troll stuff.

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For me the best outcome would be to completely remove the faction barriers and then proceed with the story with each political unit being separate and able to form new alliances as needed. Throw in a timeskip after TLT so that the factions can effectively disolve. Give flexibility to the story.

Factions don't need to dissolve, just remove gameplay barriers and make every player be able to gain reputation with all races and visit all capitals just like you can do with the ones from your faction. You can still be affiliated to the alliance/horde in lore and have some exclusive flavour text/quests. This way they can remove elves from the horde in lore and make night elves and undead independent factions that can ally with the others when needed.

[Reive]

IMO:

- Let Horde control Kalimdor.
- Let Alliance control the Eastern Kingdoms.

- Silvermoon and Mount Hyjal are two neutral hubs where people from all over Azeroth gather. Still majority control by Night Elves and Blood Elves though.

- Various guerilla fighters ignore the armistice and keep fighting over territory they've lost. Like those Night Elves we found on SoD. So there's still some conflict in Ashenvale, for example.

- Draenei and Forsaken move elsewhere.

giving kalimdor to the horde would cause a meltdown. bal'ameth was scrapped as new night elf capital because that would mean night elves would lose their ancestral home

[Ersula]

giving kalimdor to the horde would cause a meltdown. bal'ameth was scrapped as new night elf capital because that would mean night elves would lose their ancestral home

Darnassus was only their home for 30 years. They moved away from Hyjal because literally no reason.

[Reive]

Darnassus was only their home for 30 years. They moved away from Hyjal because literally no reason.

yeah but people on twitter were fucking pissed. sometimes i wish the devs would stick to their writing no matter if good or bad