The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

yeah but people on twitter were fucking pissed. sometimes i wish the devs would stick to their writing no matter if good or bad

I don't believe twitter had any affect on that. At least for the time being, Belameth was always going to be a ceremonial home city, not a functional hub because it would be completely unnecessary.

[Reive]

I don't believe twitter had any affect on that. At least for the time being, Belameth was always going to be a ceremonial home city, not a functional hub because it would be completely unnecessary.

believe me, you're wrong. there is a bunch of people that actively "harasses" the devs to make them change story bits they don't like, and not rarely the devs actually listen to them

[Ersula]

believe me, you're wrong. there is a bunch of people that actively "harasses" the devs to make them change story bits they don't like, and not rarely the devs actually listen to them

You're delusional. I'm active on WoW twitter & I've never seen anyone actually arguing they should throw out the new world tree for the sake of rebuilding Darnassus. I've seen people asking for clarification if Darnassus' landmass would be resettled (because apparently Night Elves need to live everywhere) but that's it.

If you think that means Darnassus' current landmass is going to eventually be the Nelf capital you're also wrong. That island is tiny. The tree made up 90% of its livable surface.

[allegrian]

believe me, you're wrong. there is a bunch of people that actively "harasses" the devs to make them change story bits they don't like, and not rarely the devs actually listen to them

Some devs are very active on twitter and are part of the circle/echo chamber of the wow-lore twitter users, usually the close circle of the red shirt guy, even if they have less than 2k followers. Some of them know of their influence and demand stuff knowing it will be heard. That circle is very politically correct abd lgtb friendly which fit well with the narrative and overall feel of dragonflight storytelling.

At this point, the wow forums and mmo champion are irrelevant, twitter is the main channel to voice your concerns about anything in wow so if you get in that circle, your feedback will matter much more.

[Reive]

You're delusional. I'm active on WoW twitter & I've never seen anyone actually arguing they should throw out the new world tree for the sake of rebuilding Darnassus. I've seen people asking for clarification if Darnassus' landmass would be resettled (because apparently Night Elves need to live everywhere) but that's it.

not rebuild darnassus but using hyjal as new home. bal'ameth was 100% supposed to be the new nelf capital and that was changed during development

I wonder why

[Raetary]

I feel like people are putting way too much emphasis on twitter.

As someone who does follow the dataminers and lore nerds on twitter, let me tell you that the wow twitter discourse and the discussions we have in here tend to be almost identical.

[Ersula]

not rebuild darnassus but using hyjal as new home. bal'ameth was 100% supposed to be the new nelf capital and that was changed during development

I wonder why

Bal'ameth is the nelf capital in all the ways that matter. It might have all the functionality of a classic hub when the world revamp is done but it has no reason to have that right now.

[Cherry123]

I just realized that in the "Anduin is Lost" scenario he can die like Varian. Why not? they need to kill someone and this is the ideal candidate. Although it's funny if Anduin dies in a cheap in-game scene.

[Reive]

Bal'ameth is the nelf capital in all the ways that matter. It might have all the functionality of a classic hub when the world revamp is done but it has no reason to have that right now.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/updates...renamed-339034

NEW DIALOGUE
Greetings, friend. I am Talar Oaktalon.
It has been many years since my first voyage to Gilneas. That was a different time for both of our people. A different world, even.
To think now, after all the suffering both kaldorei and Gilneans have endured, we can make this return journey with no trepidation but merely... tranquil purpose.
<Talar inhales deeply before exhaling with a smile.>
Welcome aboard the Moonlit Rose.
OLD DIALOGUE
I am excited to sail from Bel'ameth to Gilneas and back.
In many ways, both the Gilnean and us are alike. Losing a home and then getting a new one, or simply reclaiming that which we had lost can uplift every soul.
Perhaps one day I will have the time to visit the Greymanes. I hear Tess is the one, how do they say it, pulling the strings in Gilneas now. I am happy that I was able to bring the Greymanes to safety when they needed our help.
Both our people have suffered enough. May the Rut'theran's Reminiscence bring us ever closer.

bal'ameth was supposed to be a "new home" for nelves. that's definitely not the case anymore.

[Ersula]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/updates...renamed-339034

NEW DIALOGUE
Greetings, friend. I am Talar Oaktalon.
It has been many years since my first voyage to Gilneas. That was a different time for both of our people. A different world, even.
To think now, after all the suffering both kaldorei and Gilneans have endured, we can make this return journey with no trepidation but merely... tranquil purpose.
<Talar inhales deeply before exhaling with a smile.>
Welcome aboard the Moonlit Rose.
OLD DIALOGUE
I am excited to sail from Bel'ameth to Gilneas and back.
In many ways, both the Gilnean and us are alike. Losing a home and then getting a new one, or simply reclaiming that which we had lost can uplift every soul.
Perhaps one day I will have the time to visit the Greymanes. I hear Tess is the one, how do they say it, pulling the strings in Gilneas now. I am happy that I was able to bring the Greymanes to safety when they needed our help.
Both our people have suffered enough. May the Rut'theran's Reminiscence bring us ever closer.

bal'ameth was supposed to be a "new home" for nelves. that's definitely not the case anymore.

What are you even talking about? The only thing that changed here is that the old dialog was terrible. The only contextual change is that it didn't make sense to call Gilneas the Gilnean's "new home." Belameth is the Night Elves' new home. They traded about a hundred nelf souls for this goddamn tree; now they're going to live on it.

[allegrian]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/updates...renamed-339034

NEW DIALOGUE
Greetings, friend. I am Talar Oaktalon.
It has been many years since my first voyage to Gilneas. That was a different time for both of our people. A different world, even.
To think now, after all the suffering both kaldorei and Gilneans have endured, we can make this return journey with no trepidation but merely... tranquil purpose.
<Talar inhales deeply before exhaling with a smile.>
Welcome aboard the Moonlit Rose.
OLD DIALOGUE
I am excited to sail from Bel'ameth to Gilneas and back.
In many ways, both the Gilnean and us are alike. Losing a home and then getting a new one, or simply reclaiming that which we had lost can uplift every soul.
Perhaps one day I will have the time to visit the Greymanes. I hear Tess is the one, how do they say it, pulling the strings in Gilneas now. I am happy that I was able to bring the Greymanes to safety when they needed our help.
Both our people have suffered enough. May the Rut'theran's Reminiscence bring us ever closer.

bal'ameth was supposed to be a "new home" for nelves. that's definitely not the case anymore.

Yeah they also added the new cinematic with Tyrande telling the players they'll even go back to Teldrassil in the future. Maybe that's because they planned future revamps and obviously the night elf zones in kalimdor will be about Night elves, and will need a main hub.

[Ramz]

That's correct, so horde keeps getting alliance races thus dilluting the faction/becoming an alliance/horde mergen, while the alliance doesn't get core horde adjacent races.

Well I certainly didn't ask for it. I am one of people who never wanted NB to begin with, and seeing nelves in the Horde is a jarring experience. But I don't think these Harronir will be playable, why adding ANOTHER elf? 4 isn't enough? But then again they thought adding another dwarf race was a cool idea.

[Ersula]

Yeah they also added the new cinematic with Tyrande telling the players they'll even go back to Teldrassil in the future. Maybe that's because they planned future revamps and obviously the night elf zones in kalimdor will be about Night elves, and will need a main hub.

if you only recognize a fully functional hub city as being a racial capital, the nelves are never going to get a real racial capital because there's no reason to have more than one or one per faction per expansion. They're never going to do another multi-expansion story focusing on where the night elves live again because they just did that. Maybe in 2050 if WoW is still around but not in our lifetimes.

Well I certainly didn't ask for it. I am one of people who never wanted NB to begin with, and seeing nelves in the Horde is a jarring experience. But I don't think these Harronir will be playable, why adding ANOTHER elf? 4 isn't enough? But then again they thought adding another dwarf race was a cool idea.

That's why I think the twist will be that Farronir are actually evolved Quillboar.

[allegrian]

if you only recognize a fully functional hub city as being a racial capital, the nelves are never going to get a real racial capital because there's no reason to have more than one or one per faction per expansion. They're never going to do another multi-expansion story focusing on where the night elves live again because they just did that. Maybe in 2050 if WoW is still around but not in our lifetimes.

I thought back in SL thay they were saving the future nelf home for a future expansion's main hub, belameth was a bit disappointing but it's still beautiful and at last we can put that story to rest. There's a chance for a NE capital main hub if they ever do a northern kalimdor revamp like midnight, or an elune expansion.

[Ramz]

That's why I think the twist will be that Farronir are actually evolved Quillboar.

More like the new datamined bats who also have tusks and quills. But I guess we will find out soon enough, I am now 99% positive Harronir have nothing to do with trolls.

[Eldryth]

Darnassus was only their home for 30 years. They moved away from Hyjal because literally no reason.

The fixation on Darnassus is weird in these discussions. Yes, Teldrassil was new, and it's strange that they decided to make a capitol there. The rest of Kalimdor is not. They should not just abandon their homes in Ashenvale, Hyjal, Darkshore, Felwood, etc. Much of those lands need to be healed, but they were spread all throughout their forests, and Ashenvale and Hyjal are both intact now.

Also, I'm not sure they actually ever moved away from Hyjal. Did they ever even have an actual capitol there (or anywhere for that matter between the War of the Ancients and WoW)? I always saw it more as a Druidic holy place, and thought that they had more of a nomadic society without a set capitol, until they needed a set capitol for WoW (much like how Tauren were nomads but settled in Thunder Bluff so they could have a city).

[Worldshaper]

That was Sylvanas' plan & it was not received well, especially by the Night Elf population.

Her plan was just: get H and A to fight and die so that thousands of souls go into the Maw.

[Ersula]

Her plan was just: get H and A to fight and die so that thousands of souls go into the Maw.

Not until Argus was killed. As soon as she was warchief her plan was "Kalimdor for the Horde."

Plus if Greymane had let her have Helya's Lantern Teldrassil never would have burned but you're not ready for that conversation.

[Worldshaper]

Edit:

Also I didn't say they should abandon Kalimdor. But I think there would be much more room for interesting conflict and good old savagery if we saw some radical group of Night Elf terrorise the Horde in Ashenvale, instead of Tyrande and the regular army being involved. They couldn't do that without causing another war, and now that Sylvanas is out and a bunch of nice people are in charge of the Horde, I fail to see how the Alliance would want to continue waging war over Ashenvale.

Just bring in those SoD Night Elves and everything works out.

[Khaza-R]

The fixation on Darnassus is weird in these discussions. Yes, Teldrassil was new, and it's strange that they decided to make a capitol there. The rest of Kalimdor is not. They should not just abandon their homes in Ashenvale, Hyjal, Darkshore, Felwood, etc. Much of those lands need to be healed, but they were spread all throughout their forests, and Ashenvale and Hyjal are both intact now.

Also, I'm not sure they actually ever moved away from Hyjal. Did they ever even have an actual capitol there (or anywhere for that matter between the War of the Ancients and WoW)? I always saw it more as a Druidic holy place, and thought that they had more of a nomadic society without a set capitol, until they needed a set capitol for WoW (much like how Tauren were nomads but settled in Thunder Bluff so they could have a city).

WarCraft III was pretty clear that Ashenvale was their primary home. Part of it was corrupted by the Legion and became Felwood. But otherwise it never really made sense they abandoned it for Teldrassil. Unfortunatley just something they did to shoehorn the Horde vs Alliance narrative.