The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

Neutral stories are so lame annd unspired becuase they're not personal. You ask yourself questions "what I am doing even here?".

Hard disagree. I'd be asking that way more if I were tagging along with people as absolutely irrelevant as Rokhan. Khadgar quests are significantly less lame and more personal than that shit.

[Makorus]

There is also Talanji and Rokhan the most vocal anti-Alliance Horde members, who also are absent for 2 expansions, Rokhan had a small cameo with that Tauren about that Tauren that was killed by centaur, and at the raid he was with Rexxar and Chen to invoke memberberries, but he doesn't say anything. I guess for the better.

Neutral stories are so lame annd unspired becuase they're not personal. You ask yourself questions "what I am doing even here?".

And Horde stories about Trolls are personal to Orcs/Undead/Tauren/Blood Elves/Vulpera/Maghar/Highmountain/Pandaren/Goblins/Nightborne/Dracthyr how?

Just because the tooltip says "Horde" when you hover over a character doesn't mean the story is any more interesting.

[allegrian]

This is exactly how they have always written. "In the past" was even worse.

You may be right, it's just become much more obvious since BFA for me.

[Zers Editor]

The general plot description for Hallowfall (mainly, for its first and third chapters) was found.

https://i.imgur.com/He9po40.png

It seems that Faerin and Anduin will spend the entire thing side by side.

[allegrian]

There is also Talanji and Rokhan the most vocal anti-Alliance Horde members, who also are absent for 2 expansions, Rokhan had a small cameo with that Tauren about that Tauren that was killed by centaur, and at the raid he was with Rexxar and Chen to invoke memberberries, but he doesn't say anything. I guess for the better.

Neutral stories are so lame annd unspired becuase they're not personal. You ask yourself questions "what I am doing even here?".

From what we've seen in TWW alpha, its story and quests seem very personal, at least if you're alliance or care about dalaran. I guess horde players think "what I am doing even here?" every time they get alliance leaders that fought against them in the past as quest givers. The problem is not the current writing, but the bad story baggage of villain batting and bad faction conflict.

Luckily, Thrall has barely been antagonistic to alliance players in WoW so it doesn't feel bad to do quests with him as alliance. But Tyrande, Malfurion, Jaina, Anduin, Alleria and Turalyon have activelly tried to kill the horde or even your character directly in the past lol.

[Lahis]

It was a very active choice by them to try and fit a race that was an entire army into a side note of the Alliance. They managed to do the same with the undead but that at least was explained by fragmenting the Forsaken from the Scourge.

Even Ashenvale being contested is kind of murky in lore. Grom is losing his fight in Ashvenvale and needs to drink Mannoroth's blood to win. He later kills Mannoroth and fel orcs disappear. Tyrande and Malfurion return to Ashenvale between the events of the battle for Hyjal and TFT. Clearly it was well within their ability and power to remove any orc from Ashenvale at that point.

Contested Territory was just a gameplay mechanic for PvP servers. Zones near starting areas were designated as faction zones so safeguard low lvl characters from ganking. Everything else is contested to enable WPvP.

[Nymrohd]

The general plot description for Hallowfall (mainly, for its first and third chapters) was found.

https://i.imgur.com/He9po40.png

It seems that Faerin and Anduin will spend the entire thing side by side.

OK so before going to the final zone we reconvene with Magni in Silithus!

[Lahis]

OK so before going to the final zone we reconvene with Magni in Silithus!

Gotta collect his stuff from the shared apartment after the bad breakup.

[Lady Atia]

OK so before going to the final zone we reconvene with Magni in Silithus!

Shouldn't we go to Silithus at the start of the Expansion or in the pre-patch already? Like, the pre-patch event should be the radiant song, literally.

[Pyrophax]

From what we've seen in TWW alpha, its story and quests seem very personal, at least if you're alliance or care about dalaran. I guess horde players think "what I am doing even here?" every time they get alliance leaders that fought against them in the past as quest givers. The problem is not the current writing, but the bad story baggage of villain batting and bad faction conflict.

Luckily, Thrall has barely been antagonistic to alliance players in WoW so it doesn't feel bad to do quests with him as alliance. But Tyrande, Malfurion, Jaina, Anduin, Alleria and Turalyon have activelly tried to kill the horde or even your character directly in the past lol.

My thoughts exactly. I think its good that old cast spetting aside for that. This time, in TWW we see new face - Dagran II, finishing story of Magni and Moira (I beleive she will gone AFK too). So new faces of new WoW after World Soul Saga, I think will be - Anduin (devs will not throw him aside), Taelia(Jaina step out), Shandris (Tyrande and Malf AFK), Dagran II (Dwarves), Arathor (maybe). If new devs remember that Horde exist too - We will get Zekhan (familiar for Alliance characters, Rokhan will return AFK), Durak with Rehze(Thrall AFKing), Baine (same thing as Anduin, but I rather intoduce new character for Taurens), Calia (maybe Lilian, but again, with current devs - main character will be Calia), Salandria. Maybe Patch team from BfA, they were cool. And with their involvement will "what I am doing even here?" thing.

So for that we have most of characters that are familiar to both faction, much more tolerate for opposing faction, all of them are female or less masculine then my shoe. Perfect ones here, lads. /s

[Lady Atia]

From what we've seen in TWW alpha, its story and quests seem very personal, at least if you're alliance or care about dalaran. I guess horde players think "what I am doing even here?" every time they get alliance leaders that fought against them in the past as quest givers. The problem is not the current writing, but the bad story baggage of villain batting and bad faction conflict.

Luckily, Thrall has barely been antagonistic to alliance players in WoW so it doesn't feel bad to do quests with him as alliance. But Tyrande, Malfurion, Jaina, Anduin, Alleria and Turalyon have activelly tried to kill the horde or even your character directly in the past lol.

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Dalaran is a neutral city since Wrath, and Horde players do care for it.

[Makorus]

OK so before going to the final zone we reconvene with Magni in Silithus!

I don't think it's in order. I think that's the very first quest, especially because Magni is a normal dwarf again at that point. It would also be weird to explain that he is the Speaker when we already re-established that prior.

[Ramz]

Hard disagree. I'd be asking that way more if I were tagging along with people as absolutely irrelevant as Rokhan. Khadgar quests are significantly less lame and more personal than that shit.

Rokhan is not irrelevant, he is a racial leader he needs spotlight more than some neutral wierdo becuase he represents a playable race, you know a character that you slect on loading screen which you actually play with. Khadgar is the one that served his purpose this is why he got killed off. And good riddance becuase I hate the Marvel style characters, that make jokes contantly, as if it was comedy skit.

[Nymrohd]

I don't think it's in order. I think that's the very first quest, especially because Magni is a normal dwarf again at that point. It would also be weird to explain that he is the Speaker when we already re-established that prior.

It is numbered so I'd assume it is in order. It also would make more sense for Magni to go off to Silithus after the Ringing Depths campaign and summon us later on after he finishes his investigation there.

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Rokhan is not irrelevant, he is a racial leader he needs spotlight more than some neutral wierdo becuase he represents a playable race, you know a character that you slect on loading screen which you actually play with. Khadgar is the one that served his purpose this is why he got killed off. And good riddance becuase I hate the Marvel style characters, that make jokes contantly, as if it was comedy skit.

They fucked up with Rokhan. They should have had him do something cool in Nazmir imo. He needed his Crowning Moment of Awesome. It's cool to have character development and relations but what the players will remember will be epic scenes.

[Raetary]

It is numbered so I'd assume it is in order.

Isn't that just the file ID?

'Radiant Cry' is absolutely the name of the intro quests.

[Ramz]

From what we've seen in TWW alpha, its story and quests seem very personal, at least if you're alliance or care about dalaran. I guess horde players think "what I am doing even here?" every time they get alliance leaders that fought against them in the past as quest givers. The problem is not the current writing, but the bad story baggage of villain batting and bad faction conflict.

Not really. Even back in Legion, taking orders from Alleria and Turalyon was a bad decision because they were always anti-horde, and once they returned they continued to be anti-horde. This is why we need separate questing experience to not have such a jarring moments.

Luckily, Thrall has barely been antagonistic to alliance players in WoW so it doesn't feel bad to do quests with him as alliance. But Tyrande, Malfurion, Jaina, Anduin, Alleria and Turalyon have activelly tried to kill the horde or even your character directly in the past lol.

And Luckily Thrall is completely pointless character at this point. He was the one who should've been killed in the Legion, his story was done and he is dragged there to be a token Horde character to even justify Horde questing there to begin with. But from what I saw nothing in the plot even attempts to make out of it an urgent issue for the Horde, if they'd attempt to make a different plot for Horde where they'd still end up in Khaz'Algar then that would be a better alternative, but that would actually require wanting to write the separate plot, and I believe it wouldn't be that hard to pull off. Take Tauren that remained at Sword of silithus and heard the call of earth mother that Nerubians are on the move, and they should step up, have Goblin researchers that wants to find the infamous Undermine. The plot writes itself, and doesn't have to be antagonistic to Alliance in the scenario I described if they so much want to pretend that war never happened.

But all this pretending everything is cool and fine, is really grating for me. It's surreal, I'd rather if people were super hostile to each other rather than this, because at least I could tell where this hostility would come from.

[Makorus]

It is numbered so I'd assume it is in order. It also would make more sense for Magni to go off to Silithus after the Ringing Depths campaign and summon us later on after he finishes his investigation there.

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They fucked up with Rokhan. They should have had him do something cool in Nazmir imo. He needed his Crowning Moment of Awesome. It's cool to have character development and relations but what the players will remember will be epic scenes.

The ID of the Magni lore text leads to the following campaign, so it's definitely the intro quest, just out of order

[Ramz]

It is numbered so I'd assume it is in order. It also would make more sense for Magni to go off to Silithus after the Ringing Depths campaign and summon us later on after he finishes his investigation there.

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They fucked up with Rokhan. They should have had him do something cool in Nazmir imo. He needed his Crowning Moment of Awesome. It's cool to have character development and relations but what the players will remember will be epic scenes.

I agree, he could've had his moment in battle of Dazar Alor when he would confront Jaina - to make a callback to WC3 where her father attacked Echo Isles, THAT would've been very powerful becuase it would be very personal, it would highlight that NOW Darkspears and Zandalari are on the same boat, their homes invaded by Proudmore and Proudmore will pay with it's head.

As for Nazmir, the longer I think about it, the more issue I have with entire plot and direction this zone got. But that is another story.

[Varodoc]

Ringing Deeps = Magni

Hallowfall = Anduin

Azj'kahet = Alleria

I am so sick and tired of Metzen self-injecting Thrall into every conceivable storyline. Why is Thrall in this expansion? He could have been replaced by Magni in the opening cinematic.

I don't want Thrall in this expansion!!

[Nymrohd]

I agree, he could've had his moment in battle of Dazar Alor when he would confront Jaina - to make a callback to WC3 where her father attacked Echo Isles, THAT would've been very powerful becuase it would be very personal, it would highlight that NOW Darkspears and Zandalari are on the same boat, their homes invaded by Proudmore and Proudmore will pay with it's head.

As for Nazmir, the longer I think about it, the more issue I have with entire plot and direction this zone got. But that is another story.

Meh, confronting Jaina would never pay off cause he could not get a kill. It'd just be grandstanding. In Nazmir he could have done something much cooler like e.g. being the one who kills Ateena