The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ramz]

And Horde stories about Trolls are personal to Orcs/Undead/Tauren/Blood Elves/Vulpera/Maghar/Highmountain/Pandaren/Goblins/Nightborne/Dracthyr how?

Becuase it expands the lore of playable race, race that you chose to play, and played for years. And I'm talking about meaningful stories which would expand their lore and give you insight on how they're operating in current circumstances. Not randombly generated NPC that gives you quest to kill 10 spiders. Because indeed that doesn't make it personal. I mean stuff like Tauren helping Taunka in Northren, I'm talking about Belves assisting draenei becuase in the past Draenei helped them.

Just because the tooltip says "Horde" when you hover over a character doesn't mean the story is any more interesting.

To me it does because it shows what the faction that I play with is up to. The faction that I played for past years and I am heavily invested in, and I want to see what their role in upcoming campaigns are. It's like having a story without the main character.

[Makorus]

Anyway: Here are the chapter names for the max level campaign. That's all I could find about it so far.

[Ramz]

Ringing Deeps = Magni

Hallowfall = Anduin

Azj'kahet = Alleria

I am so sick and tired of Metzen self-injecting Thrall into every conceivable storyline. Why is Thrall in this expansion? He could have been replaced by Magni in the opening cinematic.

I don't want Thrall in this expansion!!

Because there is a need for a Horde token to even justify Horde getting involved in the first place. Remove Thrall and that is 100% Alliance driven story.
Ideally I'd leave these mooks to be indeed an Alliance story, and just create a separate plot for the Horde where Horde makes it's own team to face upcoming dangers.
But devs are taking shortcuts once again.

[Varodoc]

Because there is a need for a Horde token to even justify Horde getting involved in the first place.

Who was the token character to justify the Alliance getting involved in Uldir?

[Ramz]

ut expanding the lore of playable races in only okay if it has your colour. Gotcha.

I never said that. And I'd be grateful if you wouldn't shove words I never said down my throat. I made plenty of comments about Alliance and how to expand their lore because this is a 2 faction game, so Alliance has to have meaningful stories for them too. And I was voicing concerns for the Horde becuase it's not the first expansion where they were completely neglected.

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Who was the token character to justify the Alliance getting involved in Uldir?

Bran Bronzebeard.

[Makorus]

Because there is a need for a Horde token to even justify Horde getting involved in the first place. Remove Thrall and that is 100% Alliance driven story.
Ideally I'd leave these mooks to be indeed an Alliance story, and just create a separate plot for the Horde where Horde makes it's own team to face upcoming dangers.
But devs are taking shortcuts once again.

The PC hasn't been an agent of their faction for a long, long time, and Legion solidified that.

Yeah, sometimes you merc for them, essentially, like in BFA, but you were always an agent for the world rather than the factions. That's literally the point of that one cutscene in BfA.

Horde would get involved because Azeroth calls out to them ???? What, do you think it would make sense for a Horde character to get called to Silithus and go through the intro and be like "oh no, thrall isn't here, i'll go home, fuck the planet >!".

Like it or not, needing a Horde rep to justify doing something is stupid, as if your characters personality stops at their faction.

[Varodoc]

Bran Bronzebeard.

Then your tie-in is Thrall, so stop complaining.

[Zers Editor]

Anyway: Here are the chapter names for the max level campaign. That's all I could find about it so far.

So, it goes like this so far:

Isle of Dorn storyline (three chapters, all of the following contain three as well)
Ringing Deeps
Hallowfall
Azj-Kahet
Max level storyline (takes place in the previous zones in mixed order)
The raid

Side note: Wonder what Anduin will be up to after he escapes the prison.

[Dancaris]

Then your tie-in is Thrall, so stop complaining.

You are first to complain "I DONT WANNA THRALL IN THIS EXPANSION!!!!!!!!" thing.

Magni has different role in this expansion, he cant be inspiring character to Anduin, while he himself deep in depression from Azeroth denial.
Horde characters need some involvement, but indeed Thrall was strange choice, but other one was Baine, so I choose Thrall for that.

[Makorus]

So, it goes like this so far:

Isle of Dorn campaign (three chapters, all of the following contain three as well)
Ringing Deeps campaign
Hallowfall campaign
Azj-Kahet campaign
Max level campaign (takes place in the previous zones in mixed order)
The raid story

I personally think it's Azj-Kahet -> Raid -> Max Level, but it's hard to tell, really.

The "The titans don't take kindly to disobedience..." seems to be happening in the max level campaign, which seems to be a hook for a future patch, so it would make more sense to have that post-raid.

[allegrian]

My thoughts exactly. I think its good that old cast spetting aside for that. This time, in TWW we see new face - Dagran II, finishing story of Magni and Moira (I beleive she will gone AFK too). So new faces of new WoW after World Soul Saga, I think will be - Anduin (devs will not throw him aside), Taelia(Jaina step out), Shandris (Tyrande and Malf AFK), Dagran II (Dwarves), Arathor (maybe). If new devs remember that Horde exist too - We will get Zekhan (familiar for Alliance characters, Rokhan will return AFK), Durak with Rehze(Thrall AFKing), Baine (same thing as Anduin, but I rather intoduce new character for Taurens), Calia (maybe Lilian, but again, with current devs - main character will be Calia), Salandria. Maybe Patch team from BfA, they were cool. And with their involvement will "what I am doing even here?" thing.

So for that we have most of characters that are familiar to both faction, much more tolerate for opposing faction, all of them are female or less masculine then my shoe. Perfect ones here, lads. /s

I think the darkspear are inevitably going to be shafted again in midnight in favor of amani, who'll probably get their own cool zone with lots of lore, armor, weapons, mounts, and of course their own new set of character alongside a leader with a custom model.

[Reive]

the plot of the expansion is already spoiled

blizzard messed up hard this time.

[Nymrohd]

I think the darkspear are inevitably going to be shafted again in midnight in favor of amani, who'll probably get their own cool zone with lots of lore, armor, weapons, mounts, and of course their own new set of character alongside a leader with a custom model.

I mean that wouldn't be them getting shafted. The Darkspear have no place in Midnight. The Amani absolutely do.

[allegrian]

I mean that wouldn't be them getting shafted. The Darkspear have no place in Midnight. The Amani absolutely do.

Yeah, but just like the zandalari, the amani will probably have more presence/protagonism in future horde stories as their amani characters and worldbuilding in midnight where much more fleshed out than darkspears before, as well as players being more familiar with them due to the focus in midnight.

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the plot of the expansion is already spoiled

blizzard messed up hard this time.

Doesn't it always happen in alpha/beta? The only difference is that it leaked earlier.

[Raetary]

the plot of the expansion is already spoiled

blizzard messed up hard this time.

Why though?

What got leaked was cutscene and quest descriptions, which would've been available on the alpha anyway.
All that happened was that it got datamined before the respective zone was available for testing.

[Lady Atia]

Yeah, but just like the zandalari, the amani will probably have more presence/protagonism in future horde stories as their amani characters and worldbuilding in midnight where much more fleshed out than darkspears before, as well as players being more familiar with them due to the focus in midnight.

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Doesn't it always happen in alpha/beta? The only difference is that it leaked earlier.

It didn't even leak earlier, usually these strings were always in the first builds.

[Ramz]

The PC hasn't been an agent of their faction for a long, long time, and Legion solidified that.

Actually Legion was the first expansion that pushed this cra and why it sucked ass. Then we went to BfA where we once again faction specific stories. And then we have terrible Shadowlands and terrible soulless DF.

Yeah, sometimes you merc for them, essentially, like in BFA, but you were always an agent for the world rather than the factions. That's literally the point of that one cutscene in BfA.

You can be merc at times but faction stories should be always present. Being merc all the time shows that you don't really have any real agency. You're just character-less mook that will do anything for loot.

Horde would get involved because Azeroth calls out to them ???? What, do you think it would make sense for a Horde character to get called to Silithus and go through the intro and be like "oh no, thrall isn't here, i'll go home, fuck the planet >!".

What an idiotic take. I already said that you can achieve said aim WHILE incoroporating faction story. I even game a clear expample - for the Horde to have their own team that have their own motivations to start campaign - Tauren, because they literally worship Earth mother and she called to them. The last time Tauren as a faction took any initiative on their own was in Mists with Dawnchaser expedition. It's about time they would do something on their own and lead a charge for a change. All while Alliance can prance around with Windrunner and Proudmore. You do you, we do us.
It's really not that hard to gras, and serving Azeroth doesn't have to be exclude serving the Horde.

Like it or not, needing a Horde rep to justify doing something is stupid, as if your characters personality stops at their faction.

No, your take is stupid, because we're playing as a Horde and not as Earthen Ring, or Argent crusade, so the playable faction should have a clearly set narrative.

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Then your tie-in is Thrall, so stop complaining.

Dude, you're the one who had issues with Thrall, I only said that his entire purpose is to serve as a token. Then you pulled out Uldir for some strange reason and said that I should stop complaining.

[Reive]

Why though?

What got leaked was cutscene and quest descriptions, which would've been available on the alpha anyway.
All that happened was that it got datamined before the respective zone was available for testing.

It didn't even leak earlier, usually these strings were always in the first builds.

they put so much effort to encrypt certain questlines in dragonflight. no way they wanted people to find about the story of what are according to them 3 story heavy expansions before the release

[Lady Atia]

they put so much effort to encrypt certain questlines in dragonflight. no way they wanted people to find about the story of what are according to them 3 story heavy expansions before the release

You are aware that EVERYTHING about what got leaked will be available on alpha anyways? It's just the level up story, no one cares about that. Or did you think they would just blank out quest texts, lol?

[Nathanyel]

the plot of the expansion is already spoiled

Of 11.0, not the entire expansion. And as others mentioned, this happened in previous alphas as well. Always with the doomsaying...