The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Zers Editor]

Have we talked about Christie Golden having been laid off from Blizzard?



https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/s...483623/photo/1

All the best to her. I had a lot of fun with her novels and most of her output in the cinematics.

[Dancaris]

Also, I couldn't help but notice that after SL and Xbox new leadership and Metzen return there is large laid off to story devs. Golden and Danuser (most of fun hated ones) was fired, other unknown I think too. Will we get some serious business with lore after that? Wheels keep turning, drama unfolding?
Like come on, new devs - new characters - new story.
Dalaran annihilation, Magni come from stoneform, Khadgar MIA, Alleria corruption. All much more darken stories then SL-DF was. And much more beleivable to me.
And more and more - "we hear your feedback, we care". Like a charm. Something changed and that change is good one. If they put less woke stuff ingame - we will eat good.

[Cheezits]

Have we talked about Christie Golden having been laid off from Blizzard?

https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/s...483623/photo/1

That's a damn shame. I am curious why, it feels like OW2 not doing well (is she attached to Diablo as well?) has more to do with it than "I don't like Dragonflight story/tone" stuff, but...

[Worldshaper]

Just another reminder that corporations and workplaces aren't your family. You're needed and appreciated until you're not.

Hope Golden will get back on her feet soon. Lord knows she isn't the first or the last creative Blizzard has sacked ruthlessly. Thinking of Russel Brower for example.

[allegrian]

Also, I couldn't help but notice that after SL and Xbox new leadership and Metzen return there is large laid off to story devs. Golden and Danuser (most of fun hated ones) was fired, other unknown I think too. Will we get some serious business with lore after that? Wheels keep turning, drama unfolding?
Like come on, new devs - new characters - new story.
Dalaran annihilation, Magni come from stoneform, Khadgar MIA, Alleria corruption. All much more darken stories then SL-DF was. And much more beleivable to me.
And more and more - "we hear your feedback, we care". Like a charm. Something changed and that change is good one. If they put less woke stuff ingame - we will eat good.

It won't stop being woke, there's no going back like it or not. I'm ok with it, what I don't like is FURRY STUFF OMG

I'm so glad vulpera went horde.

[Ersula]

That can explain why Anduin is no more that disney princess he was until SL. I hope new devs make him better then Golden "little lion".

Anyway, good luck for her, I hope she will be good.

What you've seen of Anduin so far in TWW would have been written long before Golden was layed off

[Raetary]

Damn, losing job and family on the same day.

Pretty surprised that she got laid off.
I always imagined she'd be around until retirement. (as naive as that is).

Wish her all the best.

[allegrian]

That's a damn shame. I am curious why, it feels like OW2 not doing well (is she attached to Diablo as well?) has more to do with it than "I don't like Dragonflight story/tone" stuff, but...

I think the story of Overwatch is pretty much dead. They can't keep lying to the players about caring when they cancelled the story mode and the new lore contradicts itself, like kiriko's age. The lore is just a minimal excuse for the pvp gameplay, they are not worldbuilding nor planning anything about it.

[Dancaris]

It won't stop being woke, there's no going back like it or not. I'm ok with it, what I don't like is FURRY STUFF OMG

I'm so glad vulpera went horde.

It will not ofc. I wish less, not any. And bring some masculinity here, WoW need it. Varian and Saurfang, Thrall (old one) and Cairne. Muradin and Vol'Jin.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That can explain why Anduin is no more that disney princess he was until SL. I hope new devs make him better then Golden "little lion".

Anyway, good luck for her, I hope she will be good.

Reminder Golden wasn’t on the lore team or even the wow team she didn’t write what we saw in game and instead took orders for books cinematic’s ect.

[Dancaris]

What you've seen of Anduin so far in TWW would have been written long before Golden was layed off

When I watched cinematic to TWW, and then words of Metzen about "starting something large from something tiny" - I think its more like "Hey, I know this cinematic is lame and we don't have time and money to redo it, but don't worry, we will deliver you some good one after"

[Zers Editor]

And so her last story about Anduin will be published at the end of the year. If some characters still smell of non-toxic masculinity, then it wasn't Christie Golden's fault, it was the foundation that Blizzard laid out. Anduin's chance of dying has also increased by 300%.

But Anduin will not die until another character like him is created

She never decided on the main plot, she wrote around what was decided by others. How Jaina was written in Pandaria/Legion (as in the game) and how all of her work during that time did its darnest against it will tell you on that.

And given how much praise Stickney (the current MAIN narrative designer, their views on the story correlate A WHOLE LOT) and Metzen gave and still give her, don't expect "her influence" to go away any time soon (unless they get booted too, of course).

[Reive]

Also, I couldn't help but notice that after SL and Xbox new leadership and Metzen return there is large laid off to story devs. Golden and Danuser (most of fun hated ones) was fired, other unknown I think too. Will we get some serious business with lore after that? Wheels keep turning, drama unfolding?
Like come on, new devs - new characters - new story.
Dalaran annihilation, Magni come from stoneform, Khadgar MIA, Alleria corruption. All much more darken stories then SL-DF was. And much more beleivable to me.
And more and more - "we hear your feedback, we care". Like a charm. Something changed and that change is good one. If they put less woke stuff ingame - we will eat good.

golden and danuser were not the problem. most of the story is written by quest writers. they are the problem

[allegrian]

When I watched cinematic to TWW, and then words of Metzen about "starting something large from something tiny" - I think its more like "Hey, I know this cinematic is lame and we don't have time and money to redo it, but don't worry, we will deliver you some good one after"

Those high quality cinematics start development maybe a year or two before it's released. Metzen worked on BFA cinematic before leaving at the start of Legion, so I guess the whole drama about "too much feelings in wow" came too late to change their plans for the cinematic.

We could still get a different one for the release trailer like they did in DF.

[Cherry123]

Perhaps the TWW cinematic was the last straw of Microsoft patience. This is a big budget cinematic that flopped due to a bad script. And the handwriting was clearly Christie Golden, Anduin and Orc talk about their feelings for a long time and without action. Chris Metzen took responsibility for this cinematic so that people don't write hate posts for Christie Golden like they did with Before the Storm.

Blizzard fired her for wasting money on unpopular things

[doledippers]

When I watched cinematic to TWW, and then words of Metzen about "starting something large from something tiny" - I think its more like "Hey, I know this cinematic is lame and we don't have time and money to redo it, but don't worry, we will deliver you some good one after"

you know metzen personally wrote that cinematic himself, right?

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Perhaps the TWW cinematic was the last straw of Microsoft patience. This is a big budget cinematic that flopped due to a bad script. And the handwriting was clearly Christie Golden, Anduin and Orc talk about their feelings for a long time and without action. Chris Metzen took responsibility for this cinematic so that people don't write hate posts for Christie Golden like they did with Before the Storm.

Blizzard fired her for wasting money on unpopular things

literal conspiracy theory, lol. metzen wrote that cinematic

[Raetary]

That can explain why Anduin is no more that disney princess he was until SL. I hope new devs make him better then Golden "little lion".

Anyway, good luck for her, I hope she will be good.

Golden never had say in story direction.
She was working with the cinematic team to help write dialogue and scripts.

And she got fired 3 days ago.
So even if she did have any say in anything, Anduins current development was conceptualized in the last 2-3 years, not last week.

[doledippers]

Golden never had say in story direction.
She was working with the cinematic team to write dialogue and scripts.

its crazy to me how people just dont know this. they bash Golden under the assumption she was in a Danuser-like position where she personally was creating the story. She was given story/lore/narrative points (written by people ON THE NARRATIVE TEAM), and she wrote books on them, helped with cinematics, etc.

[Zers Editor]

That's a damn shame. I am curious why, it feels like OW2 not doing well (is she attached to Diablo as well?) has more to do with it than "I don't like Dragonflight story/tone" stuff, but...

Can't see the connection. Many of the people in charge of the OW2 narrative were thrown out because PVE side of the content was essentially given up on by that point (before they officially stated that they did). The respective story teams didn't even have a single shared member? Even the method on how the story was written was quite different in OW1/2.

[Reive]

you can blame golden for the way certain events/characters are written, but the quest writers do most of the writing. if you think wow's writing is too soft or sucks in general it's not/was not golden's fault