The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The faction conflict really just needs to go back to how it was in the shattering, fights happens people die the leaders at the top are against it but at the same time don’t actually have the power to put an end to all fighting nor do they want to disavow all of it as there are legit grievances and it would be political suicide.

The game could continue on like that for ever and have no problem with the conflict never ending just like the US and Russia have been doing in real life.

[Skildar]

The faction conflict really just needs to go back to how it was in the shattering, fights happens people die the leaders at the top are against it but at the same time don’t actually have the power to put an end to all fighting nor do they want to disavow all of it as there are legit grievances and it would be political suicide.

The game could continue on like that for ever and have no problem with the conflict never ending just like the US and Russia have been doing in real life.

They definitely should but the love and peace tone of Dragonflight in which Aspects acknowledge mistakes that aren't even ones and apologise to terrorists makes me quite sceptical we'll see deeper and more engaged/realistic storytelling :/

[Santandame]

I guess I am a rarity in this regards but I found WoD to be a mixed bag. Entry zones and Spires of Arak were exceptional. Gorgrond was a mess except maybe the Laughing Skull parts but those were cut short, Talador felt directionless with the Shattrath scenario making no sense and with Nagrand I just didn't get why Grommashar looked like a trash heap (and felt the Warsong were the worst represented of the clans)

You make an excellent point.

Gorgrond whilst useful for the bonus xp it randomly granted, was a mess partly because of the split between the lumber mill and sparring arena and also due to the zone feeling jarring in story due to the late rewrite in beta because of “orc fatigue”.

Talador, ironically the zone I was most excited for at launch was a huge let down story wise. As you said, what was the direction? The Auchindoun/Shadow Council storyline felt extremely rushed, only being one chapter. It just felt like a weird hodgepodge of random, unrelated, rushed storylines. The disappointing Shattrath event, the meh Gordunni Ogre storyline, the randomness of Khadgar’s tower and the Goren mine. A very bizarre zone when you think about it.

Nagrand was extremely lacking as the climax of the levelling experience. Most of the zone was reserved for apexis quests with no story content. The Warsong clan were poorly represented. We got very little of a Highmaul storyline prior to the raid. Again, a very bizarre zone.

Was WoD questing really as good as everyone makes out? Shadowmoon was great, as were Spires and Frostfire. Every other zone when you think about it were pretty poor.

Honestly? The best levelling content, for me at least, is BfA’s by a far margin. Legion coming in second.

[huth]

The faction conflict really just needs to go back to how it was in the shattering, fights happens people die the leaders at the top are against it but at the same time don’t actually have the power to put an end to all fighting nor do they want to disavow all of it as there are legit grievances and it would be political suicide.

The game could continue on like that for ever and have no problem with the conflict never ending just like the US and Russia have been doing in real life.

That was the US and the USSR. Which ended with the latter imploding mostly by its own fault and for the most part, did not involve any actual combat by either side.

A cold war between Alliance and Horde would be sensible. But that's not what we saw.

[Joshuaj]

@Le Conceptuel

Dawg, the faction conflict hasn't been the main focus of WoW for a long time now. And whenever the conflict has occurred, it's always led to a greater battle as a result.

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It was better than Cata, but let's not get carried away with current hype. MoP went far too heavy with vehicle quests, it was WoD that toned it down and perfected formula.

Also remember Remix benefits from various more recent improvements, like level scaling, modern quest markings, separating campaign from side quests, map pin and last but not least dragonriding.

MoP questing was peak. Don't even.

But yeah, WoDs leveling was also peak.

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I guess I am a rarity in this regards but I found WoD to be a mixed bag. Entry zones and Spires of Arak were exceptional. Gorgrond was a mess except maybe the Laughing Skull parts but those were cut short, Talador felt directionless with the Shattrath scenario making no sense and with Nagrand I just didn't get why Grommashar looked like a trash heap (and felt the Warsong were the worst represented of the clans)

A big problem for everything here comes from the fact that WoD had little to no max level story content.

[Baraden]

The faction conflict really just needs to go back to how it was in the shattering, fights happens people die the leaders at the top are against it but at the same time don’t actually have the power to put an end to all fighting nor do they want to disavow all of it as there are legit grievances and it would be political suicide.

The game could continue on like that for ever and have no problem with the conflict never ending just like the US and Russia have been doing in real life.

That's boring

The armistice gives potential for characters who'd never normally interact to do so, and explore the tension between people who still aren't really over the conflict

[Scyth]

Have you done quests at all? The crate rewards from quests seem to drop them pretty regularly, I feel.

Yeah I've only done quests so far, nothing else lol Just my luck I guess

[Baraden]

Some more dialogue between Anduin and Faerin (max level questline, you help find her dead friend's belongings and play a board game with her), plus more on her backstory.

https://imgur.com/a/eTY0y5w

So if Faerin is 29, and Anduin is 26 as of War Within (if we assume it's only been a year since Dragonflight) - I can't help but wonder if Blizz is setting them up; they're sharing a LOT of dialogue which is unusual for Blizz, of course this could be them being true to their word and upping their storytelling; it's inevitably they'll give Anduin a queen and they've seemingly forgotten Taelia exists

[Kiivar86]

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MoP questing was peak. Don't even.

But yeah, WoDs leveling was also peak.

MoP questing is pretty good but I do agree that it is kind of annoying, particularly in Jade Forest where it seems to like to take control away from you several times. I've been stuck in a cutscene I couldn't quit out of at least twice when my queue popped. But as I recall quests like that drop off sharply after Jade Forest.

Bear in mind, I do love MoP questing. One of my favorite expansions to level in. But it has its problems, too.

Yeah I've only done quests so far, nothing else lol Just my luck I guess

Wow that is some rotten luck, I'm sorry to hear that!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That's boring

The armistice gives potential for characters who'd never normally interact to do so, and explore the tension between people who still aren't really over the conflict

We literally had this pre cata with things like Varian meeting Garrosh at a trade negation or Anduin interrupting a meeting between bane and Jiana.

How things were before cata is just objectively better as you can explore such things while still having actual conflict without it being a full on war.

[justwatching]

The 60+ scaling on Remix needs to be fixed asap. It's literally unplayable how the fuck did that go live.

[johnnyd2]

The 60+ scaling on Remix needs to be fixed asap. It's literally unplayable how the fuck did that go live.

even more evidence that they shouldnt have just tested Remix that one weekend.

[Chickat]

The 60+ scaling on Remix needs to be fixed asap. It's literally unplayable how the fuck did that go live.

Unplayable in what way? I only had a few hours to play so im only 20.

[justwatching]

Unplayable in what way? I only had a few hours to play so im only 20.

It's the old problem with level scaled content. Basically after level 60 your power drops off massively to the point that you can get one shot by anything in even Heroic dungeons. For now I suggest staying a bit lower level and not power leveling OR hitting 65 and then rolling an alt.

Even doing quests for the achievements while still possible at 70 is a pain.

even more evidence that they shouldnt have just tested Remix that one weekend.

Honestly this should've been caught in internal testing.

[Vakir]

So if Faerin is 29, and Anduin is 26 as of War Within (if we assume it's only been a year since Dragonflight) - I can't help but wonder if Blizz is setting them up; they're sharing a LOT of dialogue which is unusual for Blizz, of course this could be them being true to their word and upping their storytelling; it's inevitably they'll give Anduin a queen and they've seemingly forgotten Taelia exists

There's like a 90% shot they're setting them up.

They are never subtle.

Fortunately, this dialogue is pretty decent.

[Joshuaj]

So if Faerin is 29, and Anduin is 26 as of War Within (if we assume it's only been a year since Dragonflight) - I can't help but wonder if Blizz is setting them up; they're sharing a LOT of dialogue which is unusual for Blizz, of course this could be them being true to their word and upping their storytelling; it's inevitably they'll give Anduin a queen and they've seemingly forgotten Taelia exists

Giving Anduin a 1 armed chick is CRAZY man!

Tho, tbf here...if someone fucks with the thrones, they're in for the worst shield bash to the face of their life. Like, that shit is gonna HURT!

[Chickat]

It's the old problem with level scaled content. Basically after level 60 your power drops off massively to the point that you can get one shot by anything in even Heroic dungeons. For now I suggest staying a bit lower level and not power leveling OR hitting 65 and then rolling an alt.

Even doing quests for the achievements while still possible at 70 is a pain.





Honestly this should've been caught in internal testing.

Are you upgrading your gear at the bazar? You can increase its item level.

[Lady Atia]

It's the old problem with level scaled content. Basically after level 60 your power drops off massively to the point that you can get one shot by anything in even Heroic dungeons. For now I suggest staying a bit lower level and not power leveling OR hitting 65 and then rolling an alt.

Even doing quests for the achievements while still possible at 70 is a pain.





Honestly this should've been caught in internal testing.

Fun fact, everything was fine for us yesterday but sometimes we had a weird scaling bug in hc dungeons that we fixed simple by porting out and entering the dungeon again. So if you get oneshot weirdly, try that out first.

[Ksgrip]

So if Faerin is 29, and Anduin is 26 as of War Within (if we assume it's only been a year since Dragonflight) - I can't help but wonder if Blizz is setting them up; they're sharing a LOT of dialogue which is unusual for Blizz, of course this could be them being true to their word and upping their storytelling; it's inevitably they'll give Anduin a queen and they've seemingly forgotten Taelia exists

There is no doubt about it. She is so heavily tokenised that any other option than being a central figure was all but discarded

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Giving Anduin a 1 armed chick is CRAZY man!

Tho, tbf here...if someone fucks with the thrones, they're in for the worst shield bash to the face of their life. Like, that shit is gonna HURT!

1 armed, 1 eyed half elf black woman. It’s like she collects minority points. Of course she is going to be the queen lmao

[Dracullus]

Unplayable in what way? I only had a few hours to play so im only 20.

WoW has 20 years and people who do stuff ASAP still doesn't get they are guinea pigs for rest 99% of players.

Imo trying to catch all 60+ lvl potential bugs on PTR is very inefficient, cause most people just check PTR and leave to not spoil fun for themselves. Also leaving event like this on PTR for months would kill a lot of hype around it. Now they just use massive feedback to hotfix stuff before most people even get there.