The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Varodoc]

"We present you the World Soul Saga, a story that will span multiple expansions" *proceeds to explain where each expansion will take us*, and from the latest interviews "We already know how it will all end", but "Blizzard doesn't have a plan or a logic".

Whats with these tragic takes?

As usual, you misunderstood My point.

I was not talking about the story, I was talking about the process that goes into deciding what the expansion continent will be. Blizzard doesn't follow any rule besides rule of cool, as evidenced by the decision to make Kul Tiras an expansion setting, but not Argus, Nazjatar, or Ny'alotha.

What's funny is that you even implicitly agreed with Me here, by acknowledging that they bend rules whenever they want (as for instance when they retconned WC3 just so that the Broken Isles could be a continent with 4 main races):

Emerald Dream and Argus would not work for me as expac "continents", because first one is a primal Azeroth and the second one is a fel wasteland with BL industry. Sure, Blizz could bend the rules and make more zones like Mac'Aree where usual scenery does not apply, but Avaloren as mysterious continent with a Light worshipping empire sounds 100 times more interesting to me.

I am simply able to recognize the patterns, and see that there is no pattern at all besides rule of cool.

[Lahis]

Have the naaru ever teleported things before? I time there's something suspicious with how the Arathi got ported down into Hallowsfall.

The Naaru ships are capable of teleporting.

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Argus & Emerald Dream should have had varied biomes, only reason it didn't is a lack of imagination by the developers.

Argus had varied environments in the past. However, it has since become a Fel-fucked wasteland, removing all those variances. All that is left is black rock and green or orange lava.

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So a Trilogy is just the promise the next two expansions will have a non-ending? Like most of Wow's storytelling?

Man, didn't know New Hope and Empire Strikes back didn't have endings.

[BaumanKing]

With so many connections to the naaru, Arathi, Lothar, and the Light, it's very strange that Turalyon is completely absent from the story of this expansion, but will supposedly play a role in Midnight - an expansion that is supposed to focus on Quel'Thalas and the elves.

[Cheezits]

With so many connections to the naaru, Arathi, Lothar, and the Light, it's very strange that Turalyon is completely absent from the story of this expansion, but will supposedly play a role in Midnight - an expansion that is supposed to focus on Quel'Thalas and the elves.

They are probably pacing out his story very very slowly as he will definitely have a big part whenever Avaloren and its Emperor is involved.

[Makabreska]

With so many connections to the naaru, Arathi, Lothar, and the Light, it's very strange that Turalyon is completely absent from the story of this expansion, but will supposedly play a role in Midnight - an expansion that is supposed to focus on Quel'Thalas and the elves.

Knowing your history with the dude, you ask because you miss him, or...?

[Lady Atia]

So now you're arguing that Zandalar & Kul Tiras had to be expansion settings, but Argus & the Emerald Dream, which by all means should have been the size of entire planets, were obviously going to be patch zones? Hindsight is 20/20

I never said Argus should have been patch content either, in fact I would have prefered a proper Argus Expansion, maybe similiar to WoD so just 2 raid tiers.

The Emerald Dream .... well, we now have a better concept with the cosmic realm of life anyways, so a patch was quite enough imo.

[BaumanKing]

Knowing your history with the dude, you ask because you miss him, or...?

It's more that I don't want him to steal Lady Liadrin's spotlight in Midnight. But something tells me that this is exactly what will happen. Blizzard is known for forcing characters into storylines where they don't belong.

[Lady Atia]

What do Kul Tiras and Zandalar have to do with Cataclysm

Tol Barad did tease Kul Tiras not unlike Hallowfall does with Avaloren, and you prolly missed the whole "Rise of the Zandalari" patch?

Also I'm arguing against someone who thinks Avaloren should be patch content in TWW although we already know that the second tier will prolly lead us into Undermine while the third seems to deal with the roots and the coreway.

[Xilurm]

Considering how much Metzen loves the light and Paladins, I think Turalyon will have a big part in whatever happens after TWW.

[Makabreska]

It's more that I don't want him to steal Lady Liadrin's spotlight in Midnight. But something tells me that this is exactly what will happen. Blizzard is known for forcing characters into storylines where they don't belong.

Well, all that Blizz has to do is to introduce strong Light element and he will auto-fit. And where is Void, there will be Light.

Not to mention that him being husband to Alleria and father to Arator guarantees him a spot. Like it or not.

[Kiivar86]

I'm squarely in the "Argus/Ny'alotha was wasted as patch content" (especially Ny'alotha, that wasn't even patch content! It was a waste of expansion and patch content. Just a raid), so I'm all for Avaloren being something set up after the trilogy. There's nothing wrong with setting seeds far in advance. The next three expansions got enough stuff as-is anyway.

[Raetary]

I concur as well! It's been teased so much for it NOT to be in TWW - it just doesn't fit in with Mid & TLT

Why?
This isn't the first time we've had places setup only for them to come ages later.

TWW is chock full with datamined narratives to explore.
The Rootlands, the Core, the Goblins, the Hallowfall sea and the Beledar.
Where would you even fit it?

Avaloren is a place where a contigent of titan heretics left to that even Odyn couldn't get their hands on after repeatedly trying.
If we do visit it this saga, then it'd fit just fine in TLT, as either continent or patch zone.

I personally think they are setting up a setting/narrative to set an expansion in post-WSS.

[Xilurm]

Who's to say Avaloren isn't as massive as the EK?

[Makabreska]

Who's to say Avaloren isn't as massive as the EK?

Umm, we say it. Unless you think they will implement the continent that is twice the size of Northrend.

[Raetary]

It's more that I don't want him to steal Lady Liadrin's spotlight in Midnight. But something tells me that this is exactly what will happen. Blizzard is known for forcing characters into storylines where they don't belong.

Liadrin?

As someone connected to the Sunwell as she is, Liadrin is the first candidate to get corrupted when the Void gets their tentacles on it.

[Xilurm]

Umm, we say it. Unless you think they will implement the continent that is twice the size of Northrend.

They can simply make it so you can't access all of it from the start.

[BaumanKing]

Liadrin?

As someone connected to the Sunwell as she is, Liadrin is the first candidate to get corrupted when the Void gets their tentacles on it.

Oh no, I hope you are proven wrong when the time comes. Liadrin is the most famous paladin still active in the story. Most players know her than Turalyon. And she is the only significant paladin of the Horde. And look I adore Dezco, but after MoP he is completely forgotten unfortunately.

[THEORACLE64]

Considering how much Metzen loves the light and Paladins, I think Turalyon will have a big part in whatever happens after TWW.

Hopefully ending up dead. They're basically using him as a seat warmer for Anduin now.

[Lahis]

Umm, we say it. Unless you think they will implement the continent that is twice the size of Northrend.

Well, that is basically the size of continents post-dragonriding.

[allegrian]

Whoever is in charge of designing the Priest tier sets. needs a raise.

Not a fan of the cataclysm style belt.