The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

Gee, I wonder what the Harronir came from..



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No fucking way, frog farmers are getting flagged for something. Separate Remix hell dimension??

https://x.com/marlamin/status/1793256838332387648?s=46

Wondering what they consider to be a frog farmer - I farmed like a half hour and got enough coins for 100 chests, after that I stopped.

[Cheezits]

Wondering what they consider to be a frog farmer - I farmed like a half hour and got enough coins for 100 chests, after that I stopped.

I only did it for thirty minutes or so. If that makes me a farmer than I wouldn't mind being grouped with the crazies. However, I think if there's one "server" where everyone is really super powerful, then people will get even more pissed about this, so I think it's probably not going to be that.

[Dracullus]

Some people: ban all exploiters!

Other people: are you mad? leave it alone and buff rewards for all of us

Blizzard: let's make frog ghetto

I only did it for thirty minutes or so. If that makes me a farmer than I wouldn't mind being grouped with the crazies. However, I think if there's one "server" where everyone is really super powerful, then people will get even more pissed about this, so I think it's probably not going to be that.

I think it will just apply to people with way too overpowered stats.

[Auxis]

Some people: ban all exploiters!

Other people: are you mad? leave it alone and buff rewards for all of us

Blizzard: let's make frog ghetto



I think it will just apply to people with way too overpowered stats.

Frog pumpers will probably wear it as a badge of honour regardless.

[Lahis]

No fucking way, frog farmers are getting flagged for something. Separate Remix hell dimension??

https://x.com/marlamin/status/1793256838332387648?s=46

A rollback? Nerf to the cloak? Removal of Bronze and upgrades and cosmetics bought with it? Outright bans?

Hope it is something good.

[Eurhetemec]

ALso I think the best idea I've seen in a while is having the +%xp become +%Bronze once you hit max level.

Yup. As the stats aren't in any way sent to other characters (despite Blizzard REPEATEDLY claiming this was how it worked with alts), +XP% is 100% useless at max level, so it should do something, and that would be ideal.

That would actually make it so there's some real point to playing Remix at 70, whereas currently, unless you're raiding, there really isn't - you don't earn Bronze any faster, and arguably even perhaps slower than levelling characters do. Blizzard did specifically say they were trying to make 70 "more rewarding" and this would be a good way to do it.

[milkmustache]

A rollback? Nerf to the cloak? Removal of Bronze and upgrades and cosmetics bought with it? Outright bans?

Hope it is something good.

It'll be an achievement for a greater bronze cache.

[Holdodlig]

I've killed a few frogs (like 10) before the exploit was even found because I knew this was a thing in MoP. Wonder if I'll get flagged. Probably won't since I've still have a wimpy cloak.

[THEORACLE64]

Gee, I wonder what the Harronir came from..



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No fucking way, frog farmers are getting flagged for something. Separate Remix hell dimension??

https://x.com/marlamin/status/1793256838332387648?s=46

looooool - deserved.

[Murlocos]

The bronze is the real issue given the majority of power comes from gear upgrades instead of the cloak and being the cosmetic currency as well. The player psychology for having to debate between spending on costly but temporary upgrades that may increase your future bronze earning rate vs. spending it on cosmetics now is transparently awful and would be that way in the regular game, let alone a limited time mode advertised as an overpowered fun romp.

Obvious lack of testing at 70 aside, I have no clue why they're handling Remix as they are. It feels like they abruptly decided that it needs to be a replacement for retail for the next 3 months rather than something you could dip into for the cosmetics and then level up alts quickly for the fun of it, and they're balancing it with a real BfA/SL era mentality. It's jarring how many self-inflicted wounds they've taken here.

[Nymrohd]

The bronze is the real issue given the majority of power comes from gear upgrades instead of the cloak and being the cosmetic currency as well. The player psychology for having to debate between spending on costly but temporary upgrades that may increase your future bronze earning rate vs. spending it on cosmetics now is transparently awful and would be that way in the regular game, let alone a limited time mode advertised as an overpowered fun romp.

Obvious lack of testing at 70 aside, I have no clue why they're handling Remix as they are. It feels like they abruptly decided that it needs to be a replacement for retail for the next 3 months rather than something you could dip into for the cosmetics and then level up alts quickly for the fun of it, and they're balancing it with a real BfA/SL era mentality. It's jarring how many self-inflicted wounds they've taken here.

The design is really weird; why is it designed as if something I need to log in every day for it to work well? The frog farm way actually makes so much more sense; let me grind, get my cosmetics and then spend time doing alts or having fun being OP.

[Eurhetemec]

Obvious lack of testing at 70 aside, I have no clue why they're handling Remix as they are. It feels like they abruptly decided that it needs to be a replacement for retail for the next 3 months rather than something you could dip into for the cosmetics and then level up alts quickly for the fun of it, and they're balancing it with a real BfA/SL era mentality. It's jarring how many self-inflicted wounds they've taken here.

The way it was advertised and how the PTR version worked seem to be drastically at odds with what we got - it feels almost as if someone at Blizzard who didn't originally work on the Remix stepped in at the last minute and got them to change a bunch of stuff, and now massive negative feedback is gradually forcing them to either change it back, or to actually make it more generous than it was on the PTR.

This isn't unprecedented with games companies, whilst videogame examples are slipping my mind (though I know there are plenty), one of the worst real issues 4th edition D&D had initially, gameplay-wise, was that literally days before it went to the printers, one of the senior WotC people who didn't even work directly on the game went and increased the HP of ALL monsters/enemies across the board, by 25%, without even telling the 4th edition design team, which meant that until the MM2 came out and WotC re-revised the monster math, combat in the game was needlessly grindy and painful.

(Before horrid little pedants whinge that 4E had other issues, too, duh, obviously, but this is a very specific one introduced intentionally late-on by someone who didn't even originally design it.)

Back on Remix, I think within 2-4 weeks it'll probably be pretty great in all regards due to repeated fixes/changes, but I'm really feeling that my wife was 100% on the money when she was like "Let's not play it at the start, you know how Blizzard are", and like I'm an idiot for convincing her to.

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The design is really weird; why is it designed as if something I need to log in every day for it to work well? The frog farm way actually makes so much more sense; let me grind, get my cosmetics and then spend time doing alts or having fun being OP.

I dunno if that farm was entirely appropriate because it was so turbo-insane (like even people who did it for an hour have higher cloak stats than most people who didn't will reach for a long time), but something more free-form and less "DO YOUR DAILIES!" would be much better. One thing that Remix is really reminding me of is is DAILIES ARE FUCKING ULTRA TRASH I FUCKING HATE THEM. Like, the approach DF takes is just lightyears ahead, even the approach that's been taken by every expansion since Legion, with WQs and so on, just so much better than FUCKING DAILIES. If they even just let the Dailies stack up a bit so I could do them when I feel like that'd be a 1000x improvement on "NO U MUST DO THIS EVERY DAY OR ELSE U LOSE".

[Alanar]

Gee, I wonder what the Harronir came from..



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No fucking way, frog farmers are getting flagged for something. Separate Remix hell dimension??

https://x.com/marlamin/status/1793256838332387648?s=46

Well, what ever

Remix was already ruined because of the frogs anyway.

[Nymrohd]

I dunno if that farm was entirely appropriate because it was so turbo-insane (like even people who did it for an hour have higher cloak stats than most people who didn't will reach for a long time), but something more free-form and less "DO YOUR DAILIES!" would be much better. One thing that Remix is really reminding me of is is DAILIES ARE FUCKING ULTRA TRASH I FUCKING HATE THEM. Like, the approach DF takes is just lightyears ahead, even the approach that's been taken by every expansion since Legion, with WQs and so on, just so much better than FUCKING DAILIES. If they even just let the Dailies stack up a bit so I could do them when I feel like that'd be a 1000x improvement on "NO U MUST DO THIS EVERY DAY OR ELSE U LOSE".

Absolutely, it shouldn't be like the frog one but it should be grindable. The changes made yesterday very much move the event to something that is focused on daily rewards instead which is just weird. They HAVE a retention feature out already; S4 offers a great chance to gear up. And MoP Remix also had a great built in retention feature; alt leveling. I just don't understand the design intent.

[justwatching]

The design of Remix is deeply confusing. On one hand you are supposed to be overpowered, but on the other hand they have multiple raid difficulties that without the frog "exploit" wouldnt be easy at all. At the same time they introduce stretch rewards for those raids(Garrosh Heirloom and Tusks) that are designed around you being able to complete them easily and even daily which even with the frog farmers is kind of an absurd requirement.

Remix doesnt seem to know whether it wants to be a fun seasonal event that doesnt even pretend to be "regular" wow or a replacement for S4. Feels like no one playtested it internally and asked the question what is it supposed to be.

[Cheezits]

The design of Remix is deeply confusing. On one hand you are supposed to be overpowered, but on the other hand they have multiple raid difficulties that without the frog "exploit" wouldnt be easy at all. At the same time they introduce stretch rewards for those raids(Garrosh Heirloom and Tusks) that are designed around you being able to complete them easily and even daily which even with the frog farmers is kind of an absurd requirement.

Remix doesnt seem to know whether it wants to be a fun seasonal event that doesnt even pretend to be "regular" wow or a replacement for S4. Feels like no one playtested it internally and asked the question what is it supposed to be.

I think raiding was supposed to be a progression thing that was separate from the OP leveling, tbh.

[Raetary]

I feel like they didn't actually intend anyone or anything to really be "overpowered", just that it was potential consequence that could happen after weeks of activities.

And sure, while that's what they marketed it as, i don't think their marketing department bothered to look at anything beyond "the cloak has no cap".

[Khaza-R]

I've killed a few frogs (like 10) before the exploit was even found because I knew this was a thing in MoP. Wonder if I'll get flagged. Probably won't since I've still have a wimpy cloak.

If I had to guess its probably more of a designation for people who amassed a lot of bronze in a 24 hour period as opposed to just tagging the mobs. That would also catch the more obscure exploits undoubtedly happening that just have circulated (yet)

[justwatching]

I think raiding was supposed to be a progression thing that was separate from the OP leveling, tbh.

I'm not sure thats the case because the reward structure and daily lockouts go against that. I also dont think you can really design a game like that. It needs to be somewhat cohesive.

I feel like they didn't actually intend anyone or anything to really be "overpowered", just that it was potential consequence that could happen after weeks of activities.

And sure, while that's what they marketed it as, i don't think their marketing department bothered to look at anything beyond "the cloak has no cap".

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/news/re...-340848?page=2

See this Interview and to quote a few lines from the summary:

"Raids might be soloable! It will surely be a challenge, and Blizzard is excited to see what power players can muster."

"Blizzard heard comments from PTR that some players felt you gained Bronze too fast. Their answer to that is "Good.""

I think they just did absolutely no internal playtesting and the people working on it have limited experience.

[Sentynel]

The design of Remix is deeply confusing. On one hand you are supposed to be overpowered, but on the other hand they have multiple raid difficulties that without the frog "exploit" wouldnt be easy at all. At the same time they introduce stretch rewards for those raids(Garrosh Heirloom and Tusks) that are designed around you being able to complete them easily and even daily which even with the frog farmers is kind of an absurd requirement.

Remix doesnt seem to know whether it wants to be a fun seasonal event that doesnt even pretend to be "regular" wow or a replacement for S4. Feels like no one playtested it internally and asked the question what is it supposed to be.

Remix is up for at least 3 more months... plenty of time to get OP and stomp through the raids