The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Varodoc]

Where is the evidence that the Emperor of Arathor is evil or villainous? Literally all we know about him is that he is the Emperor of the Arathor and that he sent an expedition across the Storming Seas after receiving a vision of the Light.

I think that people are still stuck in the Danuser era. I'm sure Danuser would have loved to make the Light evil, but that seems to have completely changed under Metzen.

There is only one fact worth mentioning: the Light will be an Ally in Midnight. Metzen's direct words.

Everyone assuming the Emperor of Arathor will be evil, when he could likely end up being an ally in Midnight.

[Lahis]

Pretty sure his fave was always Thrall.

Thrall is his orcsona. That's more of a self-portrait than a character.

[Khaza-R]

I can't be the only one finding the idea of Undermine boring. Not sure why people have been speculating it for the last 10+ years though.

Its a follow up to the story laid out in BfA, as is much of TWW.

I think Undermine will be great. TWW otherwise is pretty serious and dark expansion so this is likely the patch to bring some levity to it.

[Alanar]

I would love to see Undermine being a fully exploitable zone. Hopefully, we see multiple cartels here with Trade princes alike.

[Nightshade711]

If we do get an Undermine zone or raid I hope we get that car mount that was supposed to be added way back in Cata. (But actually HD)
Would be a cool multi-person mount.

[Alanar]

A lot of people here believe that he will be hit by the villain bat for that exact reason though, when based on that cutscene alone he was never in danger of that in the first place.

I don't think Turalyon will end up being bad.

I think that he can see which parts of the light are good and which are bad, or the people using them. He ain't as mindless as so many people think.

I don't care either way, but I would say he aint safe either. Anything could happen. Do I see it happen? hmm meh idk.

For Turalyon I think it really depends what and how they will use the light in the story going forward. Outisde of this one time Xe'ra moment, the light has always shown as being a force at our side. But personally I think there is potential with the other side of the coin there as well, it could make for an interesting story. That being said, we know for Midnight the elves are in fact together with the forces of the light, so we could potentially see Turalyon do something here.

[Ksgrip]

I don't care either way, but I would say he aint safe either. Anything could happen. Do I see it happen? hmm meh idk.

For Turalyon I think it really depends what and how they will use the light in the story going forward. Outisde of this one time Xe'ra moment, the light has always shown as being a force at our side. But personally I think there is potential with the other side of the coin there as well, it could make for an interesting story. That being said, we know for Midnight the elves are in fact together with the forces of the light, so we could potentially see Turalyon do something here.

Meh they could totally do whatever it’s not the first time they bend their own lore to fit the game.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

With undermine major patch, goblins should get access to new body option.

[BaumanKing]

the Light will be an Ally in Midnight.

In Midnight, yes. But what happens after we defeat the Void? I'll tell you - the same thing that happened with AU Draenor. Without enemies like the Legion or the Void, the Light will become stronger and more tyrannical. This is natural for all cosmic forces.

[Dracullus]

I'm starting to suspect that the Core won't be a zone, just a raid.

..and you think game will revert to 2012 design because? Even 8.3 had old zones repurposed as new sandbox zones and I don't see this happening to the core of azeroth that will obviously have entrance somewhere in Khaz Algar.

[Nathanyel]

At a certain point the rotation becomes bloated enough that each individual version becomes very rare. As it is, if you like BC timewalking for example, you have like 4 months between instances of that version occurring. Add BfA and SL into that mix and now you're only getting each one like every half a year.

What about having two expansions per Timewalking event?
BC + WoD
WotLK + Legion
Cata + BfA
MoP + SL
(or other combinations, maybe changing each rotation)

Both dungeon queues are available, and they count for the same weekly.
Only the former have raids for now, but I don't see a real reason against having two TW raids available.

[Soeroah]

My guesses for patch zones for the saga, assuming two per expansion:

TWW:
11.1 - Undermine
11.2 - Avaloren

Midnight:
12.1 - Isle of Quel'danas (expanded and void-corrupted)
12.2 - the Realm of Void, featuring Azshara

TLT:
13.1 - Iridikron's caverns (Can't remember the name)
13.2 - I don't really have a name for it, I don't think we'd go to another cosmic realm or zereth so soon after going to the void one, but I suspect we're gonna leave Azeroth to fight the titans on something close to their home turf. Maybe where the Constellar come from, or perhaps deeper into Azeroth to a machine prison built around the World Soul itself.

[Dracullus]

What about having two expansions per Timewalking event?
BC + WoD
WotLK + Legion
Cata + BfA
MoP + SL
(or other combinations, maybe changing each rotation)

Both dungeon queues are available, and they count for the same weekly.
Only the former have raids for now, but I don't see a real reason against having two TW raids available.

A lot of possible TW expacs wouldnt be an issue if they just put all vendors available all the time. Similar with Remix, I am fine with MoP never coming back only if WoD remix will have Pandaria vendor with all rewards unique to event.

[Alanar]

Meh they could totally do whatever it’s not the first time they bend their own lore to fit the game.

I dont see what I said is somehow bending the lore, but what ever.

Turalyon is simply a boring character in general and we have seen other paladins such as Tirion that had more to them and were more interesting in terms of backround as well. The whole fighting for thousends years in space fighting demons, is just that.. what ever, who cares. Because of that It feels like we know everything we need to know from him already.

The only thing that I would like to see is how the dynamic between Turalyon and Alleria will work out and curious if there will be a clash. To me it sounds more interesting if they showcase both sides of the light and not just evil vs good (light vs void)

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With undermine major patch, goblins should get access to new body option.

Very much yes to this.

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In Midnight, yes. But what happens after we defeat the Void? I'll tell you - the same thing that happened with AU Draenor. Without enemies like the Legion or the Void, the Light will become stronger and more tyrannical. This is natural for all cosmic forces.

We have seen two cases now were the light does things its own way. Xe ra forcing Illidan, without hes permission and the light with characters like Yrel, dreanor and then we also have scarlet crusaders who use it for bad things.

I would be interested in exploring that a bit more.

[Dracullus]

I used to think big clash will be Light vs Void expac where both sides are bad, but looks like we will go more traditional route. So IMO "light bad" could be topic of next saga after TLT in Avaloren.

[Lady Atia]

My guesses for patch zones for the saga, assuming two per expansion:

TWW:
11.1 - Undermine
11.2 - Avaloren

Midnight:
12.1 - Isle of Quel'danas (expanded and void-corrupted)
12.2 - the Realm of Void, featuring Azshara

TLT:
13.1 - Iridikron's caverns (Can't remember the name)
13.2 - I don't really have a name for it, I don't think we'd go to another cosmic realm or zereth so soon after going to the void one, but I suspect we're gonna leave Azeroth to fight the titans on something close to their home turf. Maybe where the Constellar come from, or perhaps deeper into Azeroth to a machine prison built around the World Soul itself.

Again, two expansion locations wasted on a patch? Great, you just turned the Worldsoul Saga into BfA 2.0 "lets waste our setups again - edition".

They are literally creating expansions around updated QT and Northrend, but of course they would waste Avaloren or a whole cosmic realm on a side patch, lol.

Midnight I could see us going to a remnant of Ka'resh though, since they whole Dimensius setup is there.

[THEORACLE64]

With undermine major patch, goblins should get access to new body option.

The “American Goblin” body type.

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My guesses for patch zones for the saga, assuming two per expansion:

TWW:
11.1 - Undermine
11.2 - Avaloren

Midnight:
12.1 - Isle of Quel'danas (expanded and void-corrupted)
12.2 - the Realm of Void, featuring Azshara

TLT:
13.1 - Iridikron's caverns (Can't remember the name)
13.2 - I don't really have a name for it, I don't think we'd go to another cosmic realm or zereth so soon after going to the void one, but I suspect we're gonna leave Azeroth to fight the titans on something close to their home turf. Maybe where the Constellar come from, or perhaps deeper into Azeroth to a machine prison built around the World Soul itself.

Nah, they’ll be ending Midnight at The Sunwell for sure - that’ll lead us straight into The Last Titan then.

[Lady Atia]

A lot of possible TW expacs wouldnt be an issue if they just put all vendors available all the time. Similar with Remix, I am fine with MoP never coming back only if WoD remix will have Pandaria vendor with all rewards unique to event.

Or you know, they can just drop the unique rewards into the trading post. (that way people who slacked have to decide between getting rare stuff thats no longer available or the new stuff from the trading post) If you just make everything available you will just devalue any rewards unique to the game - and this time it's FOMO for everyone, not tied to elite content so people have no excuse of not being able to get the stuff they want.

That said, I wouldn't want it to be another "one and done forever" thing because it sounds super fun, although I hope we get other expansions first before we get the MoP event again.

[Hitei]

What about having two expansions per Timewalking event?
BC + WoD
WotLK + Legion
Cata + BfA
MoP + SL
(or other combinations, maybe changing each rotation)

Both dungeon queues are available, and they count for the same weekly.
Only the former have raids for now, but I don't see a real reason against having two TW raids available.

Not a terrible idea, although I think you'd be slowing queue times a bit, especially depending on the set's time/effort disparity. Like I imagine if people can faceroll wrath TW or deal with chancing Court of Stars/Vault of the Warden, you'd end up with extremely slow Legion TWing queues and slightly slower than normal Wrath ones.

[THEORACLE64]

Time has already told us you just don't like that what blizzard actually put out about them doesn't agree with you.

You’re still absolutely wrong and it’s hilarious to see.