The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Also...

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...2#post54455072

[Khaza-R]

There is an unimplemented Rootlands map file, in the area adjacent to AK and Hallowsfall, and giant roots are sticking out of the area. There is also a whole lorebook dedicated to the idea with a new ARbait race introduced that hangs around the roots.

So yeah. Patch, or cut content.

Apparently there is a similar thing with some kind of mining rig in Ringing Deeps that isn't in the alpha zone but is visible on the map? I don't have the map handy but that could be the way to get to Undermine.

Entirely possible that the rootlands and the Venture co / Undermine story are also related. Seems really unlikely we would have another giant tree themed raid after just having Amirdrassil.

[milkmustache]

Kezan should be reasonably close so its underground areas like Undermine being connected by a tunnel or series of caverns with the Ringing Depths wouldn't even be weird.

Does Gallywix and the Venture Co control Kezan now?

We've seen Venture Co in Cindermead Brewery, it would make sense that they're looking to mine further into Khaz Algar.

[Ksgrip]

When she returns, Lothraxion has faith in her not being lost and says he won't give up on her. Turalyon just tells her to leave before Xe'ra comes back. It's not some "haha, you do your own thing" moment. Lothraxion is also the one who then vouches for her intentions and argues that she acted selflessly and to protect the Army of the Light despite knowing it would get her rejected, after which, again, Turalyon just begs Xe'ra not to hurt her.

He trusts her, but he also 100% thinks she was in the wrong, and wrong to do it, and his immediate reaction is to tell her beg for forgiveness. Also pretty zealot-y as far as responses go. The guy is ears deep in the Xe'ra is the ultimate good and everyone should listen to her and follow her every word kool-aid.

Again. I don't think he's a villain, but he's pretty deep into zealot range. He isn't moderate at all. He has good intentions (keeping his wife from harm even when she "fucked up", work with Illidan even though he's "an enemy") but he is (was) ears deep in the Xe'ra kool-aid. She could have told him to suicide bomb the front gate of Antorus, and he probably would have nodded along happily.

The open and moderate response to Alleria's choice would have been Lothraxion's response, not "immediately renounce your decision and beg for forgiveness from our deity, also I would have rather you let me die than choose this".

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Certainly sounds like he thinks she was in the wrong in this situation, but go off.

Do you know what is the concept of character development buddy. He outgrew those thoughts it is made a freaking point about it. Jesus it’s like debating a politician constantly cherry picking things so the narrative can be maintained. I know you have your own version of a character that does not match how he has evolved and you DESPERATELY want him to be bad. There is nothing to be debated because you have your own version set in stone because you want something to happen and chose to ignore everything that doesn’t support your argument.

How convenient that you purposefully chose to ignore all later content so your zealot narrative can be maintained. Shadowrising by its own destroys your view but go O
Off

[Lorgar Aurelian]

He trusts her, but he also 100% thinks she was in the wrong, and wrong to do it, and his immediate reaction is to tell her beg for forgiveness.

your describing him not being a zealot. A zealot doesn’t trust some one they think have given into the power of pure evil nor do they try and turn them away from that evil and then move onto it being fine and they should still fight in there own way when they return.

He also doesn’t need to think she’s always doing the right thing she can make wrong decisions and be can still support her.

Also pretty zealot-y as far as responses go. The guy is ears deep in the Xe'ra is the ultimate good and everyone should listen to her and follow her every word kool-aid.

this just isn’t a thing. Alleria lies to Xera and him when they first go to argus and he doesn’t chew her out or any thing when she admits it he just goes along with it as he trust his wife and then again is against her being locked up on her return.

The most he’s ever done in that lane is let Alleria be locked up instead of fighting the whole army of the light to break her out which while might be nice from an idealized true love stand point makes no sense for a solider who understands what they are actually fighting and knows he can’t go with her due to there light and void conflicting.

Again. I don't think he's a villain, but he's pretty deep into zealot range. He isn't moderate at all. He has good intentions (keeping his wife from harm even when she "fucked up", work with Illidan even though he's "an enemy") but he is (was) ears deep in the Xe'ra kool-aid. She could have told him to suicide bomb the front gate of Antorus, and he probably would have nodded along happily.

Wife taps into what he sees as pure evil, no problem still loves and trust her.

Demon blows up his military commander and arch angel, no problem move on after one failed blow.

Orcs who destroyed human kingdoms and made him leave his world to stop them show up, no problem people change.

Soulless undead pretending to be his dead arch priest show up, no problem the light is still within them.

Horde commit genocide during a ongoing world endangering crisis, no problem go to the elfs weddings.

He’s been moderate on every issue that has ever come up and has never acted as a zealot any thing thing other then like way back in the novels when he thought the orcs weren’t people.

[Santandame]

Undermine could also be a mini raid while Rootlands has a mega dungeon. Though either way I hope we get a proper Undermine zone, finally.

If Undermine is a raid, and not a mega dungeon then the 11.1 new zone is almost definitely going to be an actual Undermine zone too. They aren’t going to have the Undermine raid take place in the Rootlands. Well, technically they could but it makes no thematic sense.

Conversely if the Rootlands are used as the mega dungeon, then the likely situation going off previous mega dungeons is that we won’t be getting a Rootlands zone. Mechagon being the outlier. But all evidence points towards there indeed being a Rootlands zone.

[Cheezits]

I can't find the rig on Marlamins map but I may not be looking closely enough.

[Santandame]

I like the idea of the Harronir, I only hope they get more customizations if they're made an Allied race. We don't need 18 hair colors for them, but more than 2 colors and 4 styles would be ideal.

I haven't heard of the mining rig in Ringing Deeps, but I support the idea that if Undermine is connected to a zone in Khaz Algar, Ringing Deeps feels right.

The more I think of it, I really enjoy the idea of every cosmic form prying to get at Azeroth's world soul and the Titans trying so hard to stop them all. A more Life influenced (opposed to Titanic) look at Life themes with Rootlands will be a lot of fun.

Agreed with out of all the known zones, Ringing Deeps will feel the most fitting for Undermine.

That said, what would be the idea behind the Rootlands being the 11.1 patch zone but the raid taking us to Undermine? It doesn’t feel cohesive. Of course that could all change with how the narrative unfolds.

I just think Undermine not being a zone proper will be a huge missed opportunity. I still think it had legs for its own expansion. Or an expansion capital a’la Valdrakken at the very least.

[Dracullus]

We literally know there is going to be a goblin raid.

We literally don't until it is revealed. You dismiss hints for possibility A and treat hints for possibility B as proof.

[Makabreska]

New short was released:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-war...warning-339232

[JDBlou]

We literally don't until it is revealed. You dismiss hints for possibility A and treat hints for possibility B as proof.

Are you aware of the datamined "goblinraid" weapon datamine? That's the thrust for the Undermine talk.

[Nymrohd]

New short was released:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-war...warning-339232

Oh damn, didn't expect this!

[Dracullus]

Are you aware of the datamined "goblinraid" weapon datamine? That's the thrust for the Undermine talk.

That's why I call it a possibility.

[doledippers]

New short was released:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-war...warning-339232

looks like one of the stories taken from the upcoming short story collection, cool of them to release one for free

[Kiivar86]

Also...

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...2#post54455072

Hm. Well. That's definitely interesting.

[JDBlou]

That's why I call it a possibility.

Inasmuch a possibility as the datamining of "inv_glaive_1h_emeralddreamoutdoor_d_01" on the 10.1 PTR suggested 10.2 surely?

[Varodoc]

That short-story simply reiterates why the Void Lords/Old Gods are the most terrifying villains in the entire Warcraft franchise. Every other villain will leave a moment of respite and calm, but the Void Lords/Old Gods never do. They're always there, whispering madness and intruding into thoughts.

You'd think that the destruction of N'Zoth would have finally ended the voices. No, it actually worsened them. The most terrifying/scary villains in all of Warcraft.

Naturally this makes Alleria and the Ren'dorei all the more impressive, as the only mortals who are able to resist the weight of these whispers.

How come the Defias Brotherhood were able to rebuild the entirety of Stormwind in a couple of years, but the Blood Elves after 20 years still haven't rebuilt half their city? Incompetent and irresponsible.

[Auxis]

Recently realized I did not, in fact, have all of the heritage armours unlocked. I quickly fixed that. Leveled a highmountain, mechagnome, and vulpera monk (all mistweaver), and a light forged (rogue for some reason :/) to 50 over the course of a week to week and a half.

And have just finished leveling a draenei and troll to 50 over the weekend. I'm tired, boss.

I'm holding out hope that they've got some heritage weapons lined up to go with the draenei and troll sets. There is a datamined 2h troll sword that matches the tiki masks on the troll heritage, which adds credence to my hopes.

[doledippers]

How come the Defias Brotherhood were able to rebuild the entirety of Stormwind in a couple of years, but the Blood Elves after 20 years still haven't rebuilt half their city? Incompetent and irresponsible.

theyre probably gonna do it for midnight, id assume

[Cheezits]

How come the Defias Brotherhood were able to rebuild the entirety of Stormwind in a couple of years, but the Blood Elves after 20 years still haven't rebuilt half their city? Incompetent and irresponsible.

Just like the Exploring books, they don't want any piece of literature to get in the way of their expansion development, which is always subject to change.

and toward a row of houses, a place she had only ever heard about from Arator

hmmm