The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Bad like a baddie, right? Because she looks great.

Nah, i think Faerin model in game looks awesome, but on this art she looks weird, like a goblin.

I saw someone on twitter saying that this whole art is like 5 different arstyles and i agree.

[Ksgrip]

You got that from them wanting so much to touch each other but can't do it, especially since Turalyon respects her wishes. The whispers are lying to her, that's the whole point.

I am not sure I follow what you are telling me. That the whole point is that the whispers will make them fight? Split?

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That would be weird because in any instance of that in Legion, Turalyon was very supportive. It would make more sense if the estrangement is due to him being really busy leading the alliance. But even that is a little confusing because you'd think Alleria would be his primary advisor.
Bad like a baddie, right? Because she looks great.

Yeah I also don’t understand why she didn’t hug him but really wanted?

Alleria is choosing this. I am really lost in terms of how they are going to go with this whole thing

[Varodoc]

People seriously underestimate how much Scourge there will be in Midnight.

Is it because of recency bias? PTSD from Shadowlands? Or something else?

But are people not aware that the entire southern kingdom is firmly held by the Scourge? They even have a huge fortress in the region called Deatholme. Then there is also the Death Scar, a massive scar bisecting the entire kingdom and infested with Undead.

I don't know if people are somehow traumatized (lol) by Shadowlands to forget about the Scourge, but it's clear that the Scourge will be a B-plot of the expansion. Just because the Lich King is destroyed doesn't mean they'll remain mindless forever and it actually makes so much sense to involve Drathir in Midnight.

1) The Void Elves found Telogrus Rift because they were studying Drathir's research of the Void. He was a necromancer with great forbidden knowledge of the Void.

2) The original traitor who allowed the Scourge to bypass the Ban'dinoriel and lay waste to Quel'Thalas.

3) He is a Lich in all but name, having been resurrected multiple times.

Expect to see Drathir and the Scourge in Midnight as B-plot.

[Gurahk]

Bad like a baddie, right? Because she looks great.

She looks horrible on the art, Gazlowe looks like a square and I don't know what the hell's going on with Thrall and Alleria. It reminds me of the Windrunner comic with how uncanny they look.

[guro-tchai]

Alleria had green eyes? her and Turalyon had time for dating in Silvermoon before the expedition to Draenor? does anything except bitching about their traumas even exist in this world?
although re last point, Arathor's infinitely better than Taelia.

[Alanar]

Alleria had green eyes? her and Turalyon had time for dating in Silvermoon before the expedition to Draenor? does anything except bitching about their traumas even exist in this world?
although re last point, Arathor's infinitely better than Taelia.

Didnt we know that about her eye color already?

[Raetary]

She looks horrible on the art, Gazlowe looks like a square and I don't know what the hell's going on with Thrall and Alleria. It reminds me of the Windrunner comic with how uncanny they look.

It's stylized, some may like that or not, but to proclaim it horrible and equate it to the Three Sisters comic is quite an overreaction.

[guro-tchai]

Didnt we know that about her eye color already?

apparently this was mentioned in Tides of Darkness. i'm not sure whether back in 2007 this was due to blind copying of blood elf ingame models or a deliberate decision. in any case, she has blue eyes elsewhere, including prior to her infusion with void.

[Dancaris]

Where's that from? Will he proclaim himself Rand ar'Ator, the Dragon Reborn?

Car'a'Carn to you, Chief among the cheifs.

[Santandame]

People seriously underestimate how much Scourge there will be in Midnight.

Is it because of recency bias? PTSD from Shadowlands? Or something else?

But are people not aware that the entire southern kingdom is firmly held by the Scourge? They even have a huge fortress in the region called Deatholme. Then there is also the Death Scar, a massive scar bisecting the entire kingdom and infested with Undead.

I don't know if people are somehow traumatized (lol) by Shadowlands to forget about the Scourge, but it's clear that the Scourge will be a B-plot of the expansion. Just because the Lich King is destroyed doesn't mean they'll remain mindless forever and it actually makes so much sense to involve Drathir in Midnight.

1) The Void Elves found Telogrus Rift because they were studying Drathir's research of the Void. He was a necromancer with great forbidden knowledge of the Void.

2) The original traitor who allowed the Scourge to bypass the Ban'dinoriel and lay waste to Quel'Thalas.

3) He is a Lich in all but name, having been resurrected multiple times.

Expect to see Drathir and the Scourge in Midnight as B-plot.

I expect to see Deatholme as a dungeon in Midnight with Stratholme as the 12.1 raid.

This is a general dungeon list I could see for Midnight:

- Deatholme
- Sanctum of the Sun or Sanctum of the Moon
- Duskwither Spire
- Falthrien Academy
- Sunfury Spire
- Telogrus Rift
- Troll dungeon which isn’t Zul’aman
- Naga dungeon

With the raids as Sunwell, Stratholme and K’aresh with Scarlet Monastery as the megadungeon.

[BaumanKing]

Alleria had green eyes? her and Turalyon had time for dating in Silvermoon before the expedition to Draenor? does anything except bitching about their traumas even exist in this world?
although re last point, Arathor's infinitely better than Taelia.

Yes, her eyes were emerald in ToD and BtDP. But this story is bizarre in its contradictions. Why would Arator, a paladin of the Silver Hand and the son of two renowned heroes of the Alliance, live in Silvermoon? Turalyon's Hammer constellation is visible in the sky of Draenor, not Azeroth. And how could Turalyon and Alleria be on a date before the expedition if she didn't talk to him after their one night stand during the Second War.

[Jolly Roger]

do not trust the eyes of green
-void whispers

the void is trying to isolate her so it can turn her into the vessel it needs

[Kiivar86]

do not trust the eyes of green
-void whispers

the void is trying to isolate her so it can turn her into the vessel it needs

She doesn't exactly strike me as a "vassal of life" though.

[Sondrelk]

I expect to see Deatholme as a dungeon in Midnight with Stratholme as the 12.1 raid.

This is a general dungeon list I could see for Midnight:

- Deatholme
- Sanctum of the Sun or Sanctum of the Moon
- Duskwither Spire
- Falthrien Academy
- Sunfury Spire
- Telogrus Rift
- Troll dungeon which isn’t Zul’aman
- Naga dungeon

With the raids as Sunwell, Stratholme and K’aresh with Scarlet Monastery as the megadungeon.

Bit too many Belf raids there for my taste. As I have said before, I expect Midnight to take place in most of Northern EK, and I wouldnt be surprised if we get a Scholomance remake, or a reclamation of Undercity dungeon.

[Polybius]

This conversation is weird as hell. It's your first testing build? Not only more obvious things were cut, but stuff like Thal'Dranath WAS ON REVEAL PANEL. Also I see people talking about Ardenweald raid weapons if you need 1:1 example for some reason.

And stop implying agenda into other people posts. I'm not even against Undermine. I'm just asking to not calling things confirmed when they aren't confirmed, cause if we keep doing it word "confirmed" will lost it's meaning.

Adding to this, neither Rootlands nor Undermine have been confirmed nor denied.

Both SL and WoD had internal team issues, prompting them to scrap Shattrath and Korthia/Ardenweald as raids. If it’s scrapped as a raid we’re still getting Undermine in some form or another, same for Rootlands.

[Santandame]

Bit too many Belf raids there for my taste. As I have said before, I expect Midnight to take place in most of Northern EK, and I wouldnt be surprised if we get a Scholomance remake, or a reclamation of Undercity dungeon.

Don’t get me wrong. I would love for Midnight to be a full Eastern Kingdoms revamp including Hillsbrad, Alterac, Gilneas, Silverpine, Tirisfal and the Plaguelands but I’m keeping my expectations tempered. Even just Quel’Thalas and the Plaguelands & Tirisfal would be great but I’m choosing to keep my hopes reserved.

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Adding to this, neither Rootlands nor Undermine have been confirmed nor denied.

Both SL and WoD had internal team issues, prompting them to scrap Shattrath and Korthia/Ardenweald as raids. If it’s scrapped as a raid we’re still getting Undermine in some form or another, same for Rootlands.

I don’t think Undermine is likely to be scrapped as Gazlowe is still receiving a fair bit of promotion.

[Kathranis]

People seriously underestimate how much Scourge there will be in Midnight.

Is it because of recency bias? PTSD from Shadowlands? Or something else?

But are people not aware that the entire southern kingdom is firmly held by the Scourge? They even have a huge fortress in the region called Deatholme. Then there is also the Death Scar, a massive scar bisecting the entire kingdom and infested with Undead.

Have you not played the blood elf heritage questlines?

After the war in the Shadowlands the san'layn took control of the Scourge in the Ghostlands and occupied Deatholme, but were driven out by the blood knights.

I do expect that Dar'Khan will return, but it will be as a servant of the Void. He's the one who first discovered the Telogrus Rift, after all.

I'm not saying we won't have some linger Scourge influence in the Dead Scar region and Northrend, fwiw.

In fact, my hope is actually that the dreadlords infiltrate Azeroth during Midnight and that Kael'thas and Vashj are sent to pursue them, and that they remain a secondary antagonist during Midnight and The Last Titan while Denathrius waits for his opportunity to make his move.

Frankly, I want to see Xal'atath, Azshara, Denathrius, and Iridikron team up as a sort of evil league of super villains, with Denathrius being the villain who survives and outplays the others.

[Makorus]

This conversation is weird as hell. It's your first testing build? Not only more obvious things were cut, but stuff like Thal'Dranath WAS ON REVEAL PANEL. Also I see people talking about Ardenweald raid weapons if you need 1:1 example for some reason.

And stop implying agenda into other people posts. I'm not even against Undermine. I'm just asking to not calling things confirmed when they aren't confirmed, cause if we keep doing it word "confirmed" will lost it's meaning.

Uh-huh, just like emeralddreamoutdoor, and Kultirasquest, and the references to Embers of Neltharion, and the third evoker spec.

Stuff like that never means anything until it finally happens and everyone acts surprised. There's uprezzed goblin zeppelins, goblin presence in Ringing Deeps, a focus on Gazlowe, icon names referencing a goblin raid, but I am sure it means nothing

[Cheezits]

Uh-huh, just like emeralddreamoutdoor, and Kultirasquest, and the references to Embers of Neltharion, and the third evoker spec.

Stuff like that never means anything until it finally happens and everyone acts surprised. There's uprezzed goblin zeppelins, goblin presence in Ringing Deeps, a focus on Gazlowe, icon names referencing a goblin raid, but I am sure it means nothing

There's also some uprezzed goblin assets in the goblin hub area in the Deeps, which is very telling.

If anything it's silly that there isn't also a Gnome presence, but maybe that's being saved for TLT (airfield) and they are just dripfeeding it?

[Santandame]

There's also some uprezzed goblin assets in the goblin hub area in the Deeps, which is very telling.

If anything it's silly that there isn't also a Gnome presence, but maybe that's being saved for TLT (airfield) and they are just dripfeeding it?

I don’t think a Gnome presence is needed. 11.1 is likely to be the Horde focused patch where launch seems to be Alliance favoured. Keep Undermine focused on the Goblins with support from Thrall as they get little else. It should be a really fun C-plot story to break up the more serious storylines of the expansion.

Gnomes will have a presence in The Last Titan for sure. There’s the Borean Tundra, Storm Peaks and Ulduar all of which should have a fair bit of Gnome content as well as the predicted technology based class.