The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiivar86]

Oh right, Twilight's Hammer was using her to Resurrect Zakajz. Wonder when Paladins got into the Tomb? First or last? We know Warriors came before Priest because removing the sword made the resurrection attempt possible.

I believe chronologically it goes Arms Warriors (kills Zakajz), Shadow Priests (truly kills Zakajz), Holy Paladins (retrieves the Silver Hand, tomb collapses).

[KOUNTERPARTS]

It sounds like Grom Hellscream's voice actor is voicing Tyr. I can't hear anything but Grom when Tyr speaks, lmao

[huth]

I think the reason Alexstrasza turns against Tyr is when she learns that it was Tyr himself who corrupted the waters of Uldorus with Order magic that imbues the eggs she keeps in the Ruby Life Pools and that she finally understands the motivations of the primalists. Therefore, she feels manipulated/betrayed.

From my understanding, that's common knowledge among the Aspects. So that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.

It could even refer to Infini-Tyr from the Megadungeon. The Void does not differentiate between possible timelines.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Man, anyone else disappointed with Alexstrasza thus far?

I expected her to be a leading lady, a bold and active character who pushed the story forward and guided us along numerous adventures on the Isles, as we rebuild the five flights' power.

The issue is that Alexstrasza never had a gleaming personality to begin with; the Dragon Aspects are all rather bland, but Alexstrasza quite near most of all.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

The issue is that Alexstrasza never had a gleaming personality to begin with; the Dragon Aspects are all rather bland, but Alexstrasza quite near most of all.

When i was reading about alexstrasza it was mostly comments about her thighs and people calling her "mommy".

Edit: Just to add more, i guess what i meant by that is people hardly ever even spoke about her personality, besides referring to things i said above.

For me at least kalecgos so far, feels like has the best personality of them all, like storywise i think that's the aspect at least my character could relate to the most.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Man, anyone else disappointed with Alexstrasza thus far?

I expected her to be a leading lady, a bold and active character who pushed the story forward and guided us along numerous adventures on the Isles, as we rebuild the five flights' power.

But she's really bland, just sitting there atop Valdrakken and sending us on errands.

Other then throwing hands with deathwing twice she’s kinds always been this way sending us to deal with Malyigos and only shown up after he’s dead, letting the wrath gate go down and just clearing the blight, sending other reds to try and uncorrupt black eggs while she sits around, ect.

She’s never been all that active.

[huth]

How did you understand this? According to the Uldaman books, this is secret information.

The First Ones are secret. This would be pretty obvious even if nobody openly stated it. Order does not show up like that naturally. So at best, it would have been an open secret.

It's also fairly clear that Odyn and the other keepers don't always see eye to eye, and he was out of commission for a very long time.

[Cheezits]

It seems pretty clear to me that the reason they are holding back on Alex, besides her being the "mascot", is that her character arc seems to start with her having unwavering resolve and faith in the Aspect system and Tyr.

Now that it's foreshadowed that she will "betray" Tyr (which I don't think is a ruse, considering the void guy was accurate with everything else), her arc is going to turn to "wait maybe the system ISN'T that great". This is already starting with the Dragonkin rebellion plotline.

Alex will go against Tyr in some way, likely for our benefit. I think Tyr is going to come back and realize that all the other aspects failing = his experiment was a failure and they can't trust Alex to NOT get corrupted. So maybe he tries to roboticize her, or turns her over to Odyn?

[Super Dickmann]

Man, anyone else disappointed with Alexstrasza thus far?.

No, but only because I had zero expectations of her. DF's biggest hurdle was and is the fact that the friendly dragons are all dull as dishwater. And unlike Bolvar or Thrall who did have a time where they worked as characters, or Khadgar, who became someone who could carry a fun story after previously being Blandalf the Blue, Alex and Company were always dull.

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My personal opinion is that the best WoW plots are those which emerge as subplots and digressions. The general pattern among the opinions I've observed places Ulduar, Throne of Thunder, and Mechagon as the best stories of their respective expansions—at least insofar as the story goes—and I'm quite inclined to agree. These digressions seem to enable the writers to indulge their creativity in absence of the generally-mediocre expansion plots, enabling something beyond the degree of quality we've become accustomed to.

Agreed, not much to add, save that it speaks volumes that the returning BFA plot to come back in DF was the mechagnome takeover, and that said gnome comic had a better villain and plot than the actual main story.

[Cheezits]

Definitely feel like the MSQ has been ordained by higher-ups to be generic and "easily digestible" for mass audiences, likely because it's the only story they see in the game (through youtube or through casual play). You can see how the side quests like the Orc Heritage and Blue Dragon questlines are created by insane lore nerds in comparison.

[Nymrohd]

Definitely feel like the MSQ has been ordained by higher-ups to be generic and "easily digestible" for mass audiences, likely because it's the only story they see in the game (through youtube or through casual play). You can see how the side quests like the Orc Heritage and Blue Dragon questlines are created by insane lore nerds in comparison.

It doesn't take an insane lore nerd to browse through the wowpedia entry for Notable Blue Dragons or Orc Clans.

[Worldshaper]

Other then throwing hands with deathwing twice she’s kinds always been this way sending us to deal with Malyigos and only shown up after he’s dead, letting the wrath gate go down and just clearing the blight, sending other reds to try and uncorrupt black eggs while she sits around, ect.

She’s never been all that active.

See that's the problem, though, that they didn't seize the opportunity with Dragonflight to turn her into something more interesting.

Imagine if Raz and the gang sort of "took over" leadership of dragonkind, by manipulating or by use of force, and she had to go rogue and wear a cloak to hide her appearance. A bit like Anduin in MoP and SL, she moves around the map with us, avoiding enemies and finding answers. At the end of the day she reemerges triumphantly and takes back control.

[Khaza-R]

See that's the problem, though, that they didn't seize the opportunity with Dragonflight to turn her into something more interesting.

Imagine if Raz and the gang sort of "took over" leadership of dragonkind, by manipulating or by use of force, and she had to go rogue and wear a cloak to hide her appearance. A bit like Anduin in MoP and SL, she moves around the map with us, avoiding enemies and finding answers. At the end of the day she reemerges triumphantly and takes back control.

To be fair, this is one instance where I am not sure you can fault the current writers to inheriting her brick of a character. If she couldn't show even a modicum of personality when facing off against Deathwing, her sworn enemy. Who captured her children and used them as breeding machines. I think it would be jarring to have her suddenly get all passionate about defeating a bunch of proto dragons she seemingly forgot even existed until she got to the Dragon Isles.

[Super Dickmann]

The most natural Alex conflict was killed in its crib in War Crimes, which is that Alex has lost all her siblings, half to betrayal, half to other causes and she is obligated and charged with loving all life but was forcebred by the orcs and then disempowered and sterilized by the Titans. In War Crimes she gets over it with a handwave, but in Dragonflight, the inter-dragon conflict is entirely centered on those very points that guarding mortals is a shit calling and that the Titans didn't necessarily improve their lives. Having Alex, who'd by that point have lost her family, the Aspect power that gave her the power to uphold her charge and her ability to continue her Flight actually consider Ras's grounds and have to actively reaffirm her faith in her purpose as the other flights are restored is the most natural development for her character.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

See that's the problem, though, that they didn't seize the opportunity with Dragonflight to turn her into something more interesting.

Imagine if Raz and the gang sort of "took over" leadership of dragonkind, by manipulating or by use of force, and she had to go rogue and wear a cloak to hide her appearance. A bit like Anduin in MoP and SL, she moves around the map with us, avoiding enemies and finding answers. At the end of the day she reemerges triumphantly and takes back control.

I honestly couldn’t ever see Alex being the “go under cover to see how the commoners live” type of queen.

She’s the “go and get them minion” type only stepping out to do things her self when things escalate so she can’t ignore them any more, much like Ashara.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I agree she should be used more in my opinion, just when it fits. The Emerald Dream Patch along with Ysera makes sense to utilize her. She doesn't strike me as the type to hide and stuff though. Since theres been definite personal scenes this expansion. More talk with Ysera would be good, they really are(Yeah it looks weird sometimes but they are trying to get the very good cutscenes in engine with the player there to). Course the Emerald Dream can also be Nelven centric cause obvious reasons I rather not go over....again.

[Cheezits]

I honestly couldn’t ever see Alex being the “go under cover to see how the commoners live” type of queen.

She’s the “go and get them minion” type only stepping out to do things her self when things escalate so she can’t ignore them any more, much like Ashara.

I really, really prefer that she isn't. While some may find it boring that she acts lofty and doesn't follow the hero around, I got tired of that after Anduin/Katherine/Talanji/Bolvar/Pelagos (kind of counts). The "high-ranking leader/future leader is your party member" thing has gotten very old in modern WoW and I really haven't liked how it was executed other than Thalyssra.

[Lady Atia]

I agree she should be used more in my opinion, just when it fits. The Emerald Dream Patch along with Ysera makes sense to utilize her. She doesn't strike me as the type to hide and stuff though. Since theres been definite personal scenes this expansion. More talk with Ysera would be good, they really are(Yeah it looks weird sometimes but they are trying to get the very good cutscenes in engine with the player there to). Course the Emerald Dream can also be Nelven centric cause obvious reasons I rather not go over....again.

Tbf Ysera seems to suffer from Blizz's new "we react to feedback" philosophy- thanks to the "Merithra should be the Aspect" crowd who cried about Ysera during the late alpha ...

[Super Dickmann]

Tbf Ysera seems to suffer from Blizz's new "we react to feedback" philosophy- thanks to the "Merithra should be the Aspect" crowd who cried about Ysera during the late alpha ...

Correct. Ysera was obviously built up to return and all signs of the story point to it, from the model to how she was presented in Shadowlands. But she didn't and now she's just sort of naff while her daughter, just as much a cipher as she is, but even less developed, has a seat that she shouldn't.

[Raetary]

Honestly, i like all the story quests, but i really wish they would phase them or just put them in scenarios.

Having 50 randos dancing around in Tyrs tomb while i'm trying to do the questline in peace is not an enjoyable experience.
Especially if they start chatting.