The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

I still personally doubt a mid-expansion class release.
Though I definitely think all of the stuff in TWW so far COULD lead to a tinker/tinker-adjacent class (like Artificer) for Midnight or TLT.

Some (probably throwaway) dialogue does mention an Earthen wishing to take techniques from the Lightforged to use in their own technology. I could see a class based around that idea. (Taking and things from various forms of technology.)

I think a tech based class is a shoe in for the next class to be added to the game. Whether it’s called Tinker is an entirely different kettle of fish though. I think Articifer, Mechanic or Machinist is more likely.

Outside of that, I’m not sure what future classes would be. As much as I’d love a Bard, I can’t ever see it. I think an Explorer themed class could be likely.

[Vakir]

Warcraft gnomes are Dragonlance tinker gnomes all the way to the origin stories. I mean, Chaos=Curse of Flesh

Haven't read Dragonlance - apparently they're boring there too, then.

[Santandame]

While I can see that happening, I hoping its more of a reset to their pre-Cataclysm incarnation.

I feel like in vanilla despoiling the land and whatnot was regulated to the Venture Co. But the PC friendly goblins were really just more trade opportunists. There really wasn't anything environmentally destructive about Ratchet, BB or Everlook that I can remember. But then Cataclysm doubled down that goblins = pollution. Even their section of Orgrimmar is a polluted shithole. Personally I think its a motif that's fine to get away from as long as they keep their love of explosives and being materiallly motivated.

I always saw pre-Cata Goblins as quite exotic. There was nothing polluted regarding Everlook, Ratchet, Gadgetztan and Booty Bay. Booty Bay, Ratchet and Steamwheedle Port especially had exotic water surrounding them with no pollution at all. Everlook was the same except for being in a winter wonderland valley - there was no destruction at all.

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Haven't read Dragonlance - apparently they're boring there too, then.

Deep Gnomes from the Forgotten Realms are where it’s at. Give us the WoW version of Blingdenstone in game please.

[Nymrohd]

Haven't read Dragonlance - apparently they're boring there too, then.

I don't know, making a steampunk machine to fly to the moon is not boring to me.

[Hitei]

I wish Xal could stick around long term.

[Ersula]

I wish Xal could stick around long term.

No dommy mommy rules forever, my son

[Fahrad Wagner]

I wish Xal could stick around long term.

I'm pretty sure we're not going to kill her in TWW, the fanbase likes her too much

[FossilFree]

I still personally doubt a mid-expansion class release.
Though I definitely think all of the stuff in TWW so far COULD lead to a tinker/tinker-adjacent class (like Artificer) for Midnight or TLT.

Some (probably throwaway) dialogue does mention an Earthen wishing to take techniques from the Lightforged to use in their own technology. I could see a class based around that idea. (Taking and things from various forms of technology.)

That dialogue seemed to have a purpose to me. It was like Blizzard was injecting a bit of info that engineering-ish kinds of technology aren't good enough to make a class out of. The Earthen tech top dog was basically praising the Lightforged technology and saying it was better than theirs. Like the only tech that could qualify as a class is the tech of the draenei, in other words, artificers.

[Hitei]

I'm pretty sure we're not going to kill her in TWW, the fanbase likes her too much

Having her around all of Legion chatting away and talking shit about everyone got me too attached.

[Teriz]

That dialogue seemed to have a purpose to me. It was like Blizzard was injecting a bit of info that engineering-ish kinds of technology aren't good enough to make a class out of. The Earthen tech top dog was basically praising the Lightforged technology and saying it was better than theirs. Like the only tech that could qualify as a class is the tech of the draenei, in other words, artificers.

Yeah, I simply don’t see Blizzard creating another holy/light class. That’s what Lightforged “tech” essentially is; Holy magic. If Blizzard is making a tech class, it’s going to be mechanical tech, like Goblins and Gnomes (and Mimiron).

Which btw lends to a tech class appearing either midway through TWW or TLT.

[Scyth]

I think a tech based class is a shoe in for the next class to be added to the game. Whether it’s called Tinker is an entirely different kettle of fish though. I think Articifer, Mechanic or Machinist is more likely.

Outside of that, I’m not sure what future classes would be. As much as I’d love a Bard, I can’t ever see it. I think an Explorer themed class could be likely.

Imo a void themed class has to be next. We only really Shadow Priests and with the focus on the Void for the next 3 expansions it makes sense to get one.
This will derail the thread a lot though, there’s already a topic on next class!

Really like the new trailer, more Xal please

[Ersula]

That dialogue seemed to have a purpose to me. It was like Blizzard was injecting a bit of info that engineering-ish kinds of technology aren't good enough to make a class out of. The Earthen tech top dog was basically praising the Lightforged technology and saying it was better than theirs. Like the only tech that could qualify as a class is the tech of the draenei, in other words, artificers.

Like Bards, Tinkers are such a cool idea with a lot of unique lore. Artificer is probably a better common name but its hard to say which technology is best.
Earthen: We built a prison for a god.
Draenei: We invented space travel.
Goblin: We created a hoverboard.
Gnomes: We created a portable wormhole. For Fishing.

[Nightshade711]

That dialogue seemed to have a purpose to me. It was like Blizzard was injecting a bit of info that engineering-ish kinds of technology aren't good enough to make a class out of. The Earthen tech top dog was basically praising the Lightforged technology and saying it was better than theirs. Like the only tech that could qualify as a class is the tech of the draenei, in other words, artificers.

Very true.
From everything we’ve seen so far especially in Legion, lightforged tech is the pinnacle of technology. For example a single lightforged mech was able to destroy a legion ship on its own.

Knowing how blizzard likes to make us out to be the hero and what not it makes sense we’d pull from the best source of technology there is.

Also a class with lightforged tech in the mix makes perfect sense for midnight. Metzen did say we’d join forces with the light to drive back the shadow.

[Eldryth]

Artificers/Tinkers are a great concept, and could very easily be my favorite class if they get it right, but with so many different technology styles I feel like they'd have to go really far on customization or it'd be a disappointment.

Personally, I have no interest in Goblin/Gnome tech, or using a weird mix of racial technologies. But I'd love a class that uses Draenei crystal tech, or Titan tech, or Blood Elven magitech (like the old Arcane Golems). And I'm sure others would want Orcish Iron Horde stuff, or Earthen Tech, or other stuff I'm forgetting. I suspect that a lot of the people asking for Artificers/Tinkers will be disappointed if they finally get the class only to find that they can't use their favorite type of technology.

The ideal implementation would be to let you choose- maybe make it a pet class with a highly customizable mech, and make your skill animations change to match the pet you choose (could even stretch the concept further that way, to cover stuff like the Night Elves' Ancients or other kinds of golems). Or just let you choose directly somehow. I have a hard time seeing that happening, since creating multiple animations for each skill would take an incredible amount of work, especially compared to every other class... but anything less would fail to do the concept justice.


The other plausible class concept for the Saga would be something Void-focused, likely a Void Ranger like Alleria for Midnight. It's a very underrepresented concept right now (we only have Shadow Priests) for how varied the Void has been throughout WoW, and the Cosmic Void aesthetic isn't really usable at all apart from one passive ability coming with Voidweaver (Entropic Rift, while cool, is still just one passive skill). Plus it fits what we know of Midnight's theme perfectly- and I highly doubt we'll see another expansion where it'll fit thematically for a very long time. I'd probably like a well-implemented Artificer more, but that can fit in anytime, and I'm far more skeptical about them getting that right.

[Vakir]

Xal probably isn't going away too soon, she's the Gul'dan in the scenario and I get the vibe she will likely last until at least Midnight raid #1.

I don't know, making a steampunk machine to fly to the moon is not boring to me.

These nasally fucks would never in WoW.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

It's 2024. Why isn't Blizzard uploading in 4k? Why do I have to look at artifacted youtube compression? Why aren't the uncompressed trailers for this and the Cata cinematic remaster not available for download in the press kit section of their website?

"The loneliness you pretend not to feel" WTF is this coming from? You're married. You have a husband and a son and can have even more children, and you are a beloved hero of your community.

Trailer art direction is off.

Wish the trailer/cinematic soundtracks would go back to using melodic music like what is in the actual game rather than hollywood trailer *thump*

[Khaza-R]

"The loneliness you pretend not to feel" WTF is this coming from? You're married. You have a husband and a son and can have even more children, and you are a beloved hero of your community.

Nah, this line makes sense. Loneliness can mean a lot of things. Being isolated from your home or your family definitely qualifies. She's undergone both of those things in the story. The former because she was exiled by her people. The latter because she's afraid of harming her son and husband.

[Houle]

Xal probably isn't going away too soon, she's the Gul'dan in the scenario and I get the vibe she will likely last until at least Midnight raid #1.

Ehhhh im not so sure. TWW will be the 3rd xpac were shes playing a role, 4th if you count her DF cameo and role as partner of Iridikron. Thats more than any other villain had so far.

[FossilFree]

Yeah, I simply don’t see Blizzard creating another holy/light class. That’s what Lightforged “tech” essentially is; Holy magic. If Blizzard is making a tech class, it’s going to be mechanical tech, like Goblins and Gnomes (and Mimiron).

Which btw lends to a tech class appearing either midway through TWW or TLT.

It's more that the artificers are capable of technological wonders beyond anyone else. That was the key takeaway from that dialogue. It doesn't need to be a machine of the light, but it could be too.

Like Bards, Tinkers are such a cool idea with a lot of unique lore. Artificer is probably a better common name but its hard to say which technology is best.
Earthen: We built a prison for a god.
Draenei: We invented space travel.
Goblin: We created a hoverboard.
Gnomes: We created a portable wormhole. For Fishing.

Draenei: We destroyed one of the cosmic powers with our tech. (Burning Legion)

I mean, kinda hard to beat.

Very true.
From everything we’ve seen so far especially in Legion, lightforged tech is the pinnacle of technology. For example a single lightforged mech was able to destroy a legion ship on its own.

Knowing how blizzard likes to make us out to be the hero and what not it makes sense we’d pull from the best source of technology there is.

Also a class with lightforged tech in the mix makes perfect sense for midnight. Metzen did say we’d join forces with the light to drive back the shadow.

There is much you could do with this. Imagine using the Vindicaar Matrix Core Lightforged Warframe as the basis for a new class. Think how awesome that would be. It was so much fun in Legion with just the little bit you could use it, now imagine expanding that out.

I was also thinking it would be really cool to go even further. How about this:

New Hero Class
Vigilant



Vigilants are armored mechanical constructs inhabited by the souls of the greatest warriors of the eredar. Originally created by the Wakeners on Argus, vigilants can also be found as protectors of the draenei civilization on Draenor.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Vigilant

This could be a hero class in much the same vein as a demon hunter. You are someone who sacrificed your body to inhabit an artifice construct and defend your people. Now you can have a tech class that literally embodies technology, rather than just using tools. Which is more appropriate for a class. And although it does kind of bug me, transmog restricted classes are fully on the table with evokers (and races with mechagnomes). But I do think it's still better to keep such restrictions to the hero classes, and not regular ones if they ever do another.

[SunspotAnims]

"The loneliness you pretend not to feel" WTF is this coming from? You're married. You have a husband and a son and can have even more children, and you are a beloved hero of your community.

I'm not sure if you've ever felt depression before but you can absolutely feel alone even with other people around.