The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Varodoc]

I can't wait for Chronicles IV, where it will finally be confirmed that Jaina did not kill any Sunreaver - she merely had them arrested.

Ah Yes, Great things are coming, oh I can hardly wait.

[Xilurm]

Shattrath is now a multi-racial city. It used to be the capital of the Draenei civilization, but since TBC, it's become the capital of all the free races of Outland. You have Ogre, Arakkoa, Orcs, and Blood Elves in the city. It's grown beyond just the Draenei.

I do expect Shattrath to be rebuilt as a new multi-racial hub. Also, one of the only Wins of WOD was the Arakkoa world-building, so imagine a Revamped Shattrath with a fully-built Arakkoa district, wouldn't that be a nice hub?

I loved the feeling of Shattrath, a safe haven of refuge for all the free races of a shattered world, the TBC nostalgia remains strong.

I started after TBC so I didn't get to stay around Shattrath. But even now it feels more homey to me than Dalaran ever did.

[Cheezits]

It may be a nice early test of whether they have something to tell or if we're still doing decision paralysis because they aren't sure if they'll want to use a character or city or zone in a year or six months or a month down the line.

While the Exploring series is basically a scam that is "paralyzed" exactly because of what you say, Chronicles have actually been rather divisive and interesting with their lore choices so I expect some notable things to happen.

[Xilurm]

While the Exploring series is basically a scam, Chronicles have actually been rather divisive and interesting with their lore choices so I expect some interesting things to happen.

What makes you say that? I was looking forward to buying them after buying all the Chronicle books.

[Auxis]

Question about Dark Ranger cosmetics: Does Black Arrow look like an arrow or is it a black-magic particle effect on you're standard projectile?

Just wondering if gun users are going to suffer the same fate as shooting red arrows (Rapid Fire) and spawning Wind Arrows via the standard MM talents, and in the process look dumb AF.

Edit: It appears to be a black-magic particle effect:



I can't understand a single thing this man is saying, but the video is great quality and showcases the 3 Hunter trees.
He also says he's trying to make a video for each class if that tickles your fancy.

[Cheezits]

What makes you say that? I was looking forward to buying them after buying all the Chronicle books.

They only go over the zones as they were in their current expansions with little to no updates on how the zones truly are in the modern day, because they do not want to be locked to those story beats. For example, the Northrend forces that are fighting in Wrath are still fighting, including the iron dwarves and giants, despite there being no real reason for it.

The common criticism (that I agree with) is that it feels like someone flew around the expansions, took notes, and then wrote it as if it was an IC account. There are a FEW interesting details but they are incredibly sparse.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There has been one user here that has been very insistent that it is dragon technology. It's not.

Yo that was me *wave wave*.

And as far as the vault goes my stance from the start was that they could reton war of The scaleborn and that dragon made things could be considered “Titan” tech but the prisons had nothing to do with the Titans them selfs or the keepers.

And we’ll this isn’t quite a retcon of the prisons they still lack any Titan/keeper involvement, though it is an example of something similar popping up even if technically unrelated.

[Xilurm]

They only go over the zones as they were in their current expansions with little to no updates on how the zones truly are in the modern day, because they do not want to be locked to those story beats. For example, the Northrend forces that are fighting in Wrath are still fighting, including the iron dwarves and giants, despite there being no real reason for it.

The common criticism (that I agree with) is that it feels like someone flew around the expansions, took notes, and then wrote it as if it was an IC account. There are a FEW interesting details but they are incredibly sparse.

Wait, that would imply that the Orcs are still attacking Ashenvale and the Night Elves defending it and killing them simply because that is how it is portrayed in-game. I guess that's good news, because I was honestly confused as to why this would still be happening even after Shadowlands.

[Cheezits]

Wait, that would imply that the Orcs are still attacking Ashenvale and the Night Elves defending it and killing them simply because that is how it is portrayed in-game. I guess that's good news, because I was honestly confused as to why this would still be happening even after Shadowlands.

I believe they mention that there are skirmishes still, so yeah, it really just is 1:1. Barring the racism complaints about Zekhan in the Kalimdor book (which I think is overblown, it's just cliche) most of the disappointments are that the EK and Kalimdor book did NOT bring the world updates people wanted following BFA. Northrend is similar and then for Mists, there really aren't any reasons the world would change but I think it was incredibly static anyway.

Now we know why... they have a very, very long term plan for a world revamp and they will not have any kind of book get in the way of future plans.

[Super Dickmann]

I just wonder how they are going to design the future Zereths.
ZM was neat in Shadowlands since it was so jarring to have an idyllic "normal" zone. But is that going to be the norm for every one? Because I fear that will get old after a while having each Zereths be effectively the same proto-flora.

The best way to do it would be to not do it, i.e keeping only parts of them visible rather than some tour of the end realms, in a franchise that already had the problem of us fighting a themed color-coded baddie after the world soul every expansion. Green in Legion, Purple in BFA, Morally Gray in SL, a break in DF and now back to Purple in this go. Rather, it's the First Ones as a general world beat that serves a purpose, namely that the Titans are for the most part humanized, especially in their worst appearance in Legion and while the narrative is going back to depicting them in a way much closer to Wrath and their original appearances over that time, the one-upped Progenitor role being filled by ciphers that we never learn anything about is a good way to future proof themselves in a way that Chronicle penned the writers in. Mind, not doing the Chronicle take on Titans as being order-adjacent would do the same, as would making the First Ones just another group of Titans apart from the Titans who work with more abstract fare.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Wait, that would imply that the Orcs are still attacking Ashenvale and the Night Elves defending it and killing them simply because that is how it is portrayed in-game. I guess that's good news, because I was honestly confused as to why this would still be happening even after Shadowlands.

The books do have some issues with stagnation but it’s not as bad as many people say.

Ashenvale for example does have scaled down fighting still but it’s updated to reflect the mass loss of night elfs with Zekhan mentioning how he can’t understand why they keep fighting with so few left.

Or with the giant vs Iron dwarf thing mentioning that the Giants want revenge for the dwarfs enslaving them and then the Ulduar entry saying some of the iron dwarfs were freed from old gods control and joined the other Titan forged leaving room for the ones fighting the giants to still be old gods aligned.

[Cheezits]

Ashenvale for example does have scaled down fighting still but it’s updated to reflect the mass loss of night elfs with Zekhan mentioning how he can’t understand why they keep fighting with so few left.

Or with the giant vs Iron dwarf thing mentioning that the Giants want revenge for the dwarfs enslaving them and then the Ulduar entry saying some of the iron dwarfs were freed from old gods control and joined the other Titan forged leaving room for the ones fighting the giants to still be old gods aligned.

But those are the writers struggling to come up with reasons for why the zone HASN'T changed. With that first example, the writer couldn't even come up with a good reason, to the point that they comment on it through Zekhan. It's just a bizarre book to even exist.

"Join us as we fly around the zones and struggle to explain why nothing has changed"

What's the appeal?

[Makabreska]

o]I can't understand a single thing this man is saying, but the video is great quality and showcases the 3 Hunter trees.
He also says he's trying to make a video for each class if that tickles your fancy.

Dalaran Gaming does the same thing, and is in English.

[Ersula]

And as far as the vault goes my stance from the start was that they could reton war of The scaleborn and that dragon made things could be considered “Titan” tech but the prisons had nothing to do with the Titans them selfs or the keepers.

1.) If you're so certain calling the prison Titan technology on the toy is a mistake why wouldn't they change what the item says? 2.)You're forgetting Tyr also used those same containment units in footage of his development of the aspects. They're not dragon tech at all: They're leftover tech from the Keepers/Watchers.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

But those are the writers struggling to come up with reasons for why the zone HASN'T changed. With that first example, the writer couldn't even come up with a good reason, to the point that they comment on it through Zekhan. It's just a bizarre book to even exist.

"Join us as we fly around the zones and struggle to explain why nothing has changed"

What's the appeal?

I mean as far as ashenvale goes the zone has changed it’s no longer an all out horde alliance war like it was in Cata it’s instead just night elfs harassing the horde becauss they don’t have the numbers for any thing else and the non military popular is just completely gone after the horde destroyed all there settlements.

As to the appeal, mileage will vary depending on what zones or things you care about and rather they were actually updated or not but getting info like scarlet onslaught still being a thing, abunch of the scourge disappearing without a trace in abunch of there floating fortresses, or the trolls still surviving in Zul’drak, can be interesting.

And the main reason I bought the books, the art is nice.

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1.) If you're so certain calling the prison Titan technology on the toy is a mistake why wouldn't they change what the item says? 2.)You're forgetting Tyr also used those same containment units in footage of his development of the aspects. They're not dragon tech at all: They're leftover tech from the Keepers/Watchers.

Um now is saying dragon tech could be considered “Titan” tech saying it’s a mistake? The toys name would be right, it just wouldn’t mean the Titans/keepers were Involved.

Does Tyr use them any where? I only remember him using blue bubbles, if he did use the exact same thing I’d be surprised no one has linked it yet.

And no there explicitly not left over Titan/keeper tech, they are conceptualized, designed, and made by dragons.

And again this is all subject to future retcons but as of now they haven’t been.

[Enrif]

Chronicles is Titan propaganda.

Dimensius consumed the World-Soul of K'aresh and yet the Universe wasn't destroyed by a Void Titan.

There was no world soul on K'aresh, just Dimensius when he was still a light being.

[allegrian]

I'm not even saying this in a troll way when I say that I think the longterm plan is for a reveal that the First Ones are the Titans, either through a timeloop or direct descendants/new bodies for old souls. Their similiarites are wayyyy too blatant. I know most people think that the idea was just the writers are shit and wanted Titans 2.0 but I think it is a deliberate choice that they do the EXACT same thing (order things and use robots to enforce their will)

Nah, I really think the writers were just shit and trying to copy paste, just like sylvannas is just a garrosh story wannabe in bfa, or suramar is just a copy/throwback of the highborne with azshara and blood elves with the mana addiction. We now have earthen which are just dwarves 2.0 as well.

[Auxis]

There was no world soul on K'aresh, just Dimensius when he was still a light being.

Wasn't there a story log entry discovered recently that confirms that the Radiant Song is Azeroth? And so it stands to reason that the Song heard on K'aresh was also from a World-Soul?

[Joshuaj]

There was no world soul on K'aresh, just Dimensius when he was still a light being.

Dimensius was NEVER a light being.

[Auxis]

Dalaran Gaming does the same thing, and is in English.

Looked at his vids. Goes into detail of the specs but not really ideal to see what is going on with the specs themselves as most of the footage is from dungeons where there is a lot going on, as opposed to target dummies. I find the dummy videos to be better at showcasing visuals and how the specs play.