The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

Had to make a new account to verify this

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I'm not even saying this in a troll way when I say that I think the longterm plan is for a reveal that the First Ones are the Titans, either through a timeloop or direct descendants/new bodies for old souls. Their similiarites are wayyyy too blatant. I know most people think that the idea was just the writers are shit and wanted Titans 2.0 but I think it is a deliberate choice that they do the EXACT same thing (order things and use robots to enforce their will)

The First Ones have no similarities to the Titans outside of the fact that both involve order and have factories. Unless Blizzard straight up retcons the Progenitors, the safest bet to make is that the First Ones are their own thing, and that's okay.

[Vakir]

You know as well as I he'll pivot to gushing about how large and tumescent Dimensius's starry rod is.

If Chronicles IV reveals that the First Ones are the Titans, I would love to see the mental breakdown of a certain poster around these parts.

He deleted his posting account. <3

[Cheezits]

The First Ones have no similarities to the Titans outside of the fact that both involve order and have factories. Unless Blizzard straight up retcons the Progenitors, the safest bet to make is that the First Ones are their own thing, and that's okay.

The First Ones have no similarities to the Titans outside of their two biggest similarities that encompass most of what they do (create order through robots)

[Joshuaj]

Don't say I didn't warn you either if Chronicle 4 doubles down on it. Also, DF confirms that the First Ones and the Titans are NOT the same. This theory needs to stop.

The Titans definitely took inspiration from their creators, sure, but that's it.

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The First Ones have no similarities to the Titans outside of their two biggest similarities that encompass most of what they do (create order through robots)

That's not what they do tho. The First Ones' magics range from orderly to chaotic, while the Titans magics aren't akin to that at all (They're JUST orderly), and the Progenitors are also known to have created the Cosmic forces and the Realms of said forces (As displayed with Zereth Mortis and the Sepulcher), while the Titans are known to have ordered an already created universe.

This isn't a debate. They're not the same. Their factories are different and are made for different purposes, their creations are different, etc.

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He deleted his posting account. <3

Considering I just made a new account today, this is funny. Love knowing I'm still in your heads rent free tho

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If Chronicles IV reveals that the First Ones are the Titans, I would love to see the mental breakdown of a certain poster around these parts.

Don't count on it, but yes we will see. If they are retconned, I wouldn't be surprised. But that's to be revealed.

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You know as well as I he'll pivot to gushing about how large and tumescent Dimensius's starry rod is.

It's not that serious. So what if I do end up liking Dimensius? If he's a badass Void Lord, I'll hype him up. Will do the same to Iridikron, as I imagine he'll be the main antagonist in TLT.

[Enrif]

Wasn't there a story log entry discovered recently that confirms that the Radiant Song is Azeroth? And so it stands to reason that the Song heard on K'aresh was also from a World-Soul?

The only source that the radiant song is azeroth was in the subtitles of the cinematic from blizzcon. Though, i doubt that, since it would be a huge spoiler if they would write there anything besides azeroth. From everything in game, it is at most conjecture that it "might" be azeroth, but no 100% undeniable proof yet.

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Dimensius was NEVER a light being.

We don't know. Light and void are so strongly connected, Dimensius could have been a light being at some point. Like Entropius was once the Naaru M'uru.

[Joshuaj]

I just wonder how they are going to design the future Zereths.
ZM was neat in Shadowlands since it was so jarring to have an idyllic "normal" zone. But is that going to be the norm for every one? Because I fear that will get old after a while having each Zereths be effectively the same proto-flora.

Then be glad we'll probably not see another Zereth for the next 5 years lol

[Super Dickmann]

It's not that serious. So what if I do end up liking Dimensius? If he's a badass Void Lord, I'll hype him up. Will do the same to Iridikron, as I imagine he'll be the main antagonist in TLT.

Why did you delete your account?

[Joshuaj]

The only source that the radiant song is azeroth was in the subtitles of the cinematic from blizzcon. Though, i doubt that, since it would be a huge spoiler if they would write there anything besides azeroth. From everything in game, it is at most conjecture that it "might" be azeroth, but no 100% undeniable proof yet.

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We don't know. Light and void are so strongly connected, Dimensius could have been a light being at some point. Like Entropius was once the Naaru M'uru.

Of course we don't know, but considering how the Naaru work and how light things in the physical universe work, it is likely that the whole "light and void" cycle only applies to when things are in the Mortal Plane, as that would make the most sense considering pure Light and Void can't exist in the Beyond on their own.

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Why did you delete your account?

I took a break from social media as a whole. Was personal business, I wish not to get into it. But during my break, I did check in this thread every once in a while, and y'all kept bringing me up for no reason whatsoever. Like why?

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Y'all would not like me doing the same to you now, no?

[Makabreska]

Why did you delete your account?

Who we talking about?

[Nymrohd]

Why did you delete your account?

He didn't. Just changed his name yet again I have him on ignore and he is still on ignore, if it was a new account it wouldn't be

Also the Progenitors are literally the Ancient Aliens meme of WoW.

[Joshuaj]

He didn't. Just changed his name yet again I have him on ignore and he is still on ignore, if it was a new account it wouldn't be

Also the Progenitors are literally the Ancient Aliens meme of WoW.

Literally all you need to do is check my joined date...

[Enrif]

Of course we don't know, but considering how the Naaru work and how light things in the physical universe work, it is likely that the whole "light and void" cycle only applies to when things are in the Mortal Plane, as that would make the most sense considering pure Light and Void can't exist in the Beyond on their own.

And yet, Dimensius existed on K'aresh, and on Outland. Also, we don't know if higher light beings can not exist in reality, it was only ever stated for the void lords. Which makes sense if we look at the void as ravenous consumption (like K'ure in Oshu'gun or L'ura in the seat of the triumvirate), and perhaps the hunger of voidlords is so immense, that nothing can sustain that hunger, thus they get kicked out of reality. And where the void is consumption, light is more in generation and stasis (there was a point of crystal encased light worlds, where nothing dies).

[Nathanyel]

The First Ones have no similarities to the Titans outside of the fact that both involve order and have factories. Unless Blizzard straight up retcons the Progenitors, the safest bet to make is that the First Ones are their own thing, and that's okay.

My assumption is that everything we didn't learn about the First Ones, the Seventh Force, and whatever threat Zovaal was fearing, will never be fully revealed, instead it'll be used sparingly as teasing mysteries, to reintroduce an unknown cosmos that was lost when the Titans were explained too much.

[Joshuaj]

My assumption is that everything we didn't learn about the First Ones, the Seventh Force, and whatever threat Zovaal was fearing, will never be fully revealed, instead it'll be used sparingly as teasing mysteries, to reintroduce an unknown cosmos that was lost when the Titans were explained too much.

I think that's gonna be something saved for the FAR FAR future of WoW. Like in the next 25 years

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Maybe more

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"He didn't make a new account"

Joined date: 5/15/24.

[KainneAbsolute]

I think the worldsouls arent Titans.

If worldsouls are influenced more by order, they become titans.

If worldsouls are influenced equally by ALL the forces, they become "first ones" ot the seventh force

That's why the planet is A-zeroth (without a zereth?)

It would follow the pattern of other Blizzard games: the creator(s) is(are) divided, and the "ingredients" put together bring the creator again.

In SC2, a new Xel Naga raises when the purity of form and purity of essence are together.

In Diablo, mortals have angelic (light) and demonic (flesh) heritage. Anu, the creator, was also one in the origin.

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In fact, maybe each Titan is order + a little bit of another force. For example, Eonar is order + life

[Auxis]

The only source that the radiant song is azeroth was in the subtitles of the cinematic from blizzcon. Though, i doubt that, since it would be a huge spoiler if they would write there anything besides azeroth. From everything in game, it is at most conjecture that it "might" be azeroth, but no 100% undeniable proof yet.

https://imgur.com/4vt3n3j

We have Magni specifically reaching out to Azeroth to glean any information about what the Radiant Song is for. He wakes up and tells us that Azeroth was trying to tell us Algar is under threat.

Even if he didn't hear the Song (which he didn't, he was one of many to not hear it), if he asked Azeroth what she's blabbing on about with this Radiant Song and it was in fact not her singing it - she would probably have said "Yo, that ain't me.", not give an entire reason of what the song was warning.

[Joshuaj]

I think the worldsouls arent Titans.

If worldsouls are influenced more by order, they become titans.

If worldsouls are influenced equally by ALL the forces, they become "first ones" ot the seventh force

That's why the planet is A-zeroth (without a zereth?)

It would follow the pattern of other Blizzard games: the creator(s) is(are) divided, and the "ingredients" put together bring the creator again.

In SC2, a new Xel Naga raises when the purity of form and purity of essence are together.

In Diablo, mortals have angelic (light) and demonic (flesh) heritage. Anu, the creator, was also one in the origin.

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In fact, maybe each Titan is order + a little bit of another force. For example, Eonar is order + life

I think they ARE Titans, but I think Azeroth is unique.

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Who we talking about?

Do you remember "CosmicPreds"? That's me.

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Made a new account. Surprise.

[huth]

Considering I just made a new account today, this is funny. Love knowing I'm still in your heads rent free tho

The irony, it is palpable.

[Makabreska]

Made a new account. Surprise.

kay

/10cosmologyfixatedheylookatmedudes

[Vakir]

Considering I just made a new account today, this is funny. Love knowing I'm still in your heads rent free tho

Another expansion, another preoccupation with who has the biggest stick at the expense of actual character.