The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

I fucking love Fyrakk. Not everyone needs to be an insanely deep character. Some characters are just inherently insane and want to murder stuff, and get stronger to murder more stuff.

From his first appearance, to his last, he was shown as rash and just in it to kill stuff. The development he got in the 10.2 cinematic was actually really really good, because it showed him having a bit of "little brother" syndrome where he seems insecure because his siblings think he is just a stupid idiot who can't do anything, so he tries to prove them wrong by burning down a World Tree. It's a nice little bow on a simplistic character.

Yawn. Fyrrak was the most boring villain we ever got in recent WoW, and pretty much another example of "blizzard listening too hard to feedback", in this case people who cried about villains having motivations and "we just want to fight evil bosses again". I will take a Magneto or Thanos everytime over another Fyrrak. The Jailer was rushed as fuck but he was still more interesting than the lame proto-deathwing.

It didn't help that the fight was pretty lacklustre aswell (which is funny because I was in the camp of "why didn't we fight Deathwings' visage form?" in Cataclysm). Honestly, they should have gone the Nzoth/Deathwing route and have used the Tindral encounter as Fyrrak part one, because chasing a big dragon in the dragon expansion would have been far cooler than chasing a druid.

[Joshuaj]

Wonder what banishing the shadow "forever" mean. Are we never getting another void enemy after that?

No. It just means the Void has no natural means of controlling Azeroth from within anymore. Doesn't mean we're done with them forever tho.

We technically did the same thing to the Legion in TBC, which is why they utilized AU Guldan in WoD. Give the Void a couple of sagas, they'll be back.

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Or it could be that they have legends of aggressive dragons. I mean, how would a dragon even grant a wish? None of them have reality altering powers. But if you only have heard of them from stories, maybe that has become thematic to them in the local mythology.

Maybe they're different types of Dragons, maybe they evolved VIA different means outside of the Titans, we don't know.

[milkmustache]

I'm down for another take on dragons in WoW. Dragonflight is proof that wow's take on dragons is super boring and focuses too much on them being shape shifting elves. At least in vanilla they felt menacing.

Yea, I'd be really excited to see a new take as well. Maybe no visage forms, and actual danger with their sizes. It felt like the only dragons that actually posed danger were the Incarnates. It'd be cool for average dragons to be a bit fearsome, more primal. (Not dragonflight primal, just more wild).

[Auxis]

Aight, so I'm heading off to bed (early start tomorrow) and won't be home until 9 hours after that so I'm gonna miss out on all of the fun of Remix launch. Hope it's smooth for ya'll, and I guess the bright side of missing launches is that most of the buggy messes have already been discovered and resolved/being worked on.

[Joshuaj]

I'm down for another take on dragons in WoW. Dragonflight is proof that wow's take on dragons is super boring and focuses too much on them being shape shifting elves. At least in vanilla they felt menacing.

Tbf here, in Vanilla, much of the Dragons we faced were from the Black Flight, and you know how that flight worked with Deathwing around.

And most of the non-black Dragons were either insane or corrupted. So yeah, I'm not surprised they felt menacing. Dragonflight's Dragons aren't like that though, and that's okay. The whole point of DF is that the Dragons now have a bright future on Azeroth. But yeah, I would argue they're a LITTLE boring, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a lil disappointed in how the Dragon Isles looked, outside of the cool Dragon Architecture of course (Valdrakken my beloved).

So a new take on the Dragons is always appreciated, even if said Dragons in Avaloren are of the green flight, or something like that.

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I wish they'd consider bringing Al'ar back to replace Smolderon.

A bird as the Fire Lord? Hm...idk...

Fyrakk being the new Fire Lord actually works tbh. He already absorbed Smolderon's essence. Might as well go all in, ya know? Besides, it kinda fits considering he was the Dragon Incarnate of Fire and basically already functioned like a pure Firestorm across Azeroth.

[Kiivar86]

Only Everquest 2 had two factions. It's other contemporaries were Dark Age of Camelot (3 player factions) and Anarchy Online (3 player factions)

Ehh, saying Anarchy Online had 3 factions is a bit much, unless it changed after I quit playing (after, amusingly, their own expansion named Shadowlands).

Yeah you could be neutral but you lost out on a lot of benefits, as I recall. If you wanted benefits, you pretty much had to be either Omni-Tek or Rebels. At least, as I remember, this was well over 20 years ago now.

[Joshuaj]

Bros entire purpose was based around covering Azeroth in flames. He already fits the job description

[Nymrohd]

Keep Velf as its own thing. Helf and Belf should be the split. No weird powers, they sound the same, it's literally just politics. They can share paladin mounts with different colors as well.

This btw is one thing I always found silly and I would hope Midnight addresses it appropriately. Why are all buildings in Quel'thalas in Red and Gold and not Blue and Gold? They barely had enough food to survive but they had time to literally repaint the town red? And OK, I get doing Silvermoon and buildings in Eversong. But what, they send painters who were dodging the zombies and ghouls in the Ghostlands to paint the ruins red as well?

[milkmustache]

Dragonflight's Dragons aren't like that though, and that's okay. The whole point of DF is that the Dragons now have a bright future on Azeroth. But yeah, I would argue they're a LITTLE boring, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a lil disappointed in how the Dragon Isles looked, outside of the cool Dragon Architecture of course (Valdrakken my beloved).

I think this weirdly suffers from the story pivots. Valdrakken had beautiful architecture which felt like it matched closest to the reds and the Ruby Life Pools. This would be understandable considering Alexstrasza is the Queen, but the reds are entirely absent from the storyline so we don't get a proper insight on this.

Some of the other flight architectures really stand out too; Obsidian Citadel is exactly as I'd picture Neltharian's castle; the Temporal Conflux, need I say more?; I liked the Nexus-esque part of the Azure Archives but aside from this the Blues hardly had a visual identity. Otherwise the Greens/the Dream are just Valdrakken design with vines.

I suppose my point is just that the exclusion of the reds from the story kind of deprived us of a look into their dynamic as the "leading" flight, which in turn makes it a little weird to see their aesthetic footprint quite literally everywhere on the island, in my opinion.

[Raetary]

I wonder if we'll ever get Clockwork Gnomes as a playable race.

[Auxis]

Tbf here, in Vanilla, much of the Dragons we faced were from the Black Flight, and you know how that flight worked with Deathwing around.

And most of the non-black Dragons were either insane or corrupted. So yeah, I'm not surprised they felt menacing. Dragonflight's Dragons aren't like that though, and that's okay. The whole point of DF is that the Dragons now have a bright future on Azeroth. But yeah, I would argue they're a LITTLE boring, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a lil disappointed in how the Dragon Isles looked, outside of the cool Dragon Architecture of course (Valdrakken my beloved).

So a new take on the Dragons is always appreciated, even if said Dragons in Avaloren are of the green flight, or something like that.

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A bird as the Fire Lord? Hm...idk...

Fyrakk being the new Fire Lord actually works tbh. He already absorbed Smolderon's essence. Might as well go all in, ya know? Besides, it kinda fits considering he was the Dragon Incarnate of Fire and basically already functioned like a pure Firestorm across Azeroth.

Not just a bird, likely an arcane construct at that. So it'd be an robot firebird Firelord.

Side note: was there an item description or something in 10.2.5 that hinted at Fyrakk regenerating in the Firelands? I could have sworn I saw something. Idk if it was a raid drop or what.

Edit: it's from Ebyssian post-Fyrakk:

"Strange, though. When he fell, it was as if... the embers of his rage were carried off by the wind. Perhaps he at last joined the elements that imbued him."

Ebyssian speculating that he could have to where elements go when they perish outside of their domain?

[Nymrohd]

I wonder if we'll ever get Clockwork Gnomes as a playable race.

Diaper gnomes ain't enough for you?

[Cheezits]

Unless the new 10.2.7 holiday event is something controversial that is going to be just plopped into the game to avoid controversy from datamining (cough Pride cough) it's a shame it likely got cancelled.

[Khaza-R]

I wonder if we'll ever get Clockwork Gnomes as a playable race.

I think that would just make mechagnomes even more pointless. Better to find a way to amalgamate them into one and give MG's a full robotic option.

[Cheezits]

I wonder if we'll ever get Clockwork Gnomes as a playable race.

Possible, but after the Mechagnome debacle and rage, probably not. Plus they don't seem interested in making the direct Titanforged races playable- only offshoots with bigger cultures (Mechagon Mechagnomes and KA Earthen).

Will be interesting to see how they approach Vrykul in TLT. I think they will be a focus as they are one of the few Northrend things that will not be a rehash of DF/TLT.

[Ersula]

I wonder if we'll ever get Clockwork Gnomes as a playable race.

100% perfect satire of people who ask for high elves

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Possible, but after the Mechagnome debacle and rage, probably not. Plus they don't seem interested in making the direct Titanforged races playable- only offshoots with bigger cultures (Mechagon Mechagnomes and KA Earthen).

Oh are we not joking? Mechagnomes & Clockwork gnomes are the same thing.

[Cheezits]

Oh are we not joking? Mechagnomes & Clockwork gnomes are the same thing.

No they're not. Different culture, aesthetic and we literally cannot play as a fully mechanized gnome, unless you RP with the heritage helmet on. But they are too similar and too unpopular so it will likely not happen.

[Joshuaj]

100% perfect satire of people who ask for high elves

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Oh are we not joking? Mechagnomes & Clockwork gnomes are the same thing.

We have High Elves...

They're customization options for Belves and Velves

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Also, clockwork Gnomes are like Mimiron. They're NOT like Mechagnomes at all.

[Nize]

I have a feeling we'll get a release date very soon.

[Raetary]

Diaper gnomes ain't enough for you?

Not really, no.
I don't think they are enough for anyone tbh, including hardcore Mechagon fans.

I more or less felt cheated when they got announced, as i was rooting for Mimirons gnomes to be added for ages and gave up hope.
But with Earthen now being Dwarf race #3, which are a full titanforged race at that and with a titan expansion incoming, it kinda sparked my interest again.

Of course, robotic or not, it's still just gnomes and with how terrible Diaper Gnomes were received Blizzard is likely not gonna touch them even with Mimiron involved.
And there's more popular races to work with anyway, like Vrykul.

But oh well, one can dream.

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Oh are we not joking? Mechagnomes & Clockwork gnomes are the same thing.

I was refering to these guys:




Which are not playable, and not the same as the Mechagon weirdos.