The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Treegdar]

Any clues as to when PTR will be up today? Really want to get on and get a feel for some of the reworks.

[doledippers]

beta build today maybe?

[Valysar]

beta build today maybe?

The 2 leveling servers are down and the other one is heavily laging

[Teriz]

Nice cop-out.

If a player’s only incentive to check out an expansion is a race, they’re probably not going to stick around that long anyways. Races typically have a pretty minimal impact on gameplay, at most offering a single new button press.

A new race can bring a retired player back into the game, or bring new players to the game who might give WoW a try since said new race is now available. I'm also sure there's plenty of retired WoW players who will give WoW another spin once they introduce hotly desired races like Ogres, Arakkoas, and/or Naga.

The real problem here is that the term "allied race" immediately conjures up memories of BFA where 10 Allied Races were eventually available. Having only one known AR in TWW and that being the main feature of the new expansion is pathetic, no matter how much you try to spin it.

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Fair, but you will still get Earthen, Dracthyr expanded classes, and Harronir. (And possible a 3rd hidden allied race but who know)

Dracthyr getting expanded classes shouldn't be considered a feature for TWW, and Harronir have not been confirmed as a AR.

You're spinning falsehoods here.

[huth]

Uh no, BFA set the standard. TWW is not meeting that standard. That’s the problem.

A single data point is not a standard.

[Jolly Roger]

Tww feels more like a big patch. The expansion has a wod 2.0 vibe

except everything is testable on the beta and we have 0 hints of content removal
we have content that stays relevant outside of raids
we have rep gained in ways beyond 1 daily and a huge grind
we have more than 4 different types of mounts with 20 skins

[Teriz]

A single data point is not a standard.

So we shouldn't compare the number of ARs in TWW to the number of ARs in BFA for.....

reasons?

[doledippers]

A new race can bring a retired player back into the game, or bring new players to the game who might give WoW a try since said new race is now available. I'm also sure there's plenty of retired WoW players who will give WoW another spin once they introduce hotly desired races like Ogres, Arakkoas, and/or Naga.

yeah i mean this might be true but it's also not really reflected in BFA when they added a shit ton of allied races. theres a discussion to be had of making completely new non-variant races as an allied race, sure, but that's never really been a thing for allied races. historically they've all been variants of existing races.

and as for new races, things like pandaren and dracthyr doesn't seem to have captivated people either. so it's kinda just speculation to assume a brand new race like the ones you listed would bring people back

[Teriz]

yeah i mean this might be true but it's also not really reflected in BFA when they added a shit ton of allied races. theres a discussion to be had of making completely new non-variant races as an allied race, sure, but that's never really been a thing for allied races. historically they've all been variants of existing races.

and as for new races, things like pandaren and dracthyr doesn't seem to have captivated people either. so it's kinda just speculation to assume a brand new race like the ones you listed would bring people back

TBF, BFA also had Kul'tirans and Zandalari, two highly requested new races. It also featured Kul'tiras, a place that players have wanted to venture to for years.

[doledippers]

TBF, BFA also had Kul'tirans and Zandalari, two highly requested new races.

yeah thats sorta my point, right. i dont think we saw any substantial growth after they added those races in BFA (atleast according to that sub graph + subsequent analysis). Im not against them experimenting and adding completely new races, i just dont view it as a surefire success, if that makes sense

[Makabreska]

TBF, BFA also had Kul'tirans and Zandalari, two highly requested new races.

Never seen any real requests for Kul'tirans. In contrary, I saw many peeps being off-put by how they looked and that they were basically bulky humans with no real variation.

[Teriz]

yeah thats sorta my point, right. i dont think we saw any substantial growth after they added those races in BFA (atleast according to that sub graph + subsequent analysis). Im not against them experimenting and adding completely new races, i just dont view it as a surefire success, if that makes sense

I don't think they should throw in the towel in terms of adding new races (or classes) simply because recent additions haven't blown up like Blood Elves or Demon Hunters.

[Nightshade711]

A new race can bring a retired player back into the game, or bring new players to the game who might give WoW a try since said new race is now available.

Do you have any examples of this being the case, or are you just saying things?

I’ve never seen anyone come back to the game solely because of a new race. (Which sub data tends to back up from historically added races)

Dracthyr getting expanded classes shouldn't be considered a feature for TWW, and Harronir have not been confirmed as a AR.

You're spinning falsehoods here.

Dracthyr getting expanded classes is very much a feature, despite how heavily your opinions against such a thing are.

Harronir are all but confirmed. They’ve got a myriad of customization options, moreso than any non-playable race that’s been introduced. Plus why else would they show them off in the announcement trailer alongside the playable Earthen?

[doledippers]

I don't think they should throw in the towel in terms of adding new races (or classes) simply because recent additions haven't blown up like Blood Elves or Demon Hunters.

totally agreed, and i dont necessarily think they've done that either. If the harronir end up being a playable race (which is likely imo) I think thats a pretty good stab at a new-ish race. assuming the datamined customizations are accurate they do have a lot of unique 3d assets on them, unlike say zandalari trolls vs regular trolls which just have a bulkier frame, and essentially some new tattoos

[Nightshade711]

Hell, I’m glad that they didn’t add 6 ARs like Teriz is suggesting.
God, just imagine the bloat on the character create screen.

[Teriz]

Do you have any examples of this being the case, or are you just saying things?

I’ve never seen anyone come back to the game solely because of a new race. (Which sub data tends to back up from historically added races)

I did because of Pandaren (I had quit after WoltK). My Pandaren was my main until the Evoker class.

Dracthyr getting expanded classes is very much a feature, despite how heavily your opinions against such a thing are.

Interesting, because it wasn't listed as a feature in any of TWW's trailers. Even Blizzard knows that announcing that as a feature is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Harronir are all but confirmed. They’ve got a myriad of customization options, moreso than any non-playable race that’s been introduced. Plus why else would they show them off in the announcement trailer alongside the playable Earthen?

All-but confirmed still means NOT confirmed. I remember when Tuskarr were all but confirmed, and we never got them.

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Hell, I’m glad that they didn’t add 6 ARs like Teriz is suggesting.
God, just imagine the bloat on the character create screen.

Where did I say they should add 6 more ARs?

2 new ARs would be better than the one we're currently receiving.

[Nightshade711]

I did because of Pandaren (I had quit after WoltK). My Pandaren was my main until the Evoker class.

So you left after Wotlk, but didn’t come back during Cata when they added two new races.
But did come back in the expansion they added a new class?

Curious.

Interesting, because it wasn't listed as a feature in any of TWW's trailers. Even Blizzard knows that announcing that as a feature is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Because it isn’t coming at launch. During any announcement, have they ever listed expansion features that came after launch? They didn’t for Augmentation Evokers.

I can sit here and say “oh the goblin raid/patch wasn’t listed as a feature because they know it’s scraping the bottom of the barrel”

All-but confirmed still means NOT confirmed. I remember when Tuskarr were all but confirmed, and we never got them.

Rich coming from someone who says “UNDERMINE TINKERS CONFIRMED” every expac.
Or who said TWW would be an elemental xpac & the stormrider mount was a elemental that we saw in storm peaks.

Tuskaar didn’t have any real customization options, nor armor rigging, nor player animations.
This is just another Vulpera situation of an unannounced AR.

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Where did I say they should add 6 more ARs?

2 new ARs would be better than the one we're currently receiving.

Which we are most likely getting 1-2 new ARs through the course of TWW, so problem solved?

[Ochinko]

If I remember correctly, didnt we have full customization options for the blue man group from Bastion back during alpha/beta Shadowlands? And we never did get them as an AR? I say that in the #copium hope that we are NOT getting those boring quillboar trolls as an AR. Not sure I can handle another snore AR after them earthen...>_<

[Nightshade711]

If I remember correctly, didnt we have full customization options for the blue man group from Bastion back during alpha/beta Shadowlands? And we never did get them as an AR? I say that in the #copium hope that we are NOT getting those boring quillboar trolls as an AR. Not sure I can handle another snore AR after them earthen...>_<

We did not have full customization for SL races.
Nowhere near what any of the races or ARs had at the time.

[Mekkle]

I'll absolutely make one.

And now you've seen two.

make that 3, Earthen have been a top 3 in terms of races i wanted, behind Ogres and Tuskarr