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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverLion View Post
    So that's not an answer. I'm not asking about why you personally like goblins. I'm asking how pigeonholing them into an incredibly boring stereotype is somehow interesting. From what's being described, having some Goblins not be 2D caricatures would actually increase the diversity amongst goblin kind and ultimately make them more believable and interesting. You're saying that them being all one note is some how better for stories but you're not explaining how.
    Said pigeonhole has Lead to all of those and more interesting out comes, and given blizzards track record there isn’t going to be diversity all friendly goblins will be one way and that way is boring compared to what we we have had.

    Capitalism run wild when pretty much no one else is a capitalist is fun, green gnomes with worse tech who care if there workers die is not.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    Is it just me or does it look a lot like a video made by hurricane?
    Hurricane has much more intense "realistic" filter.
    Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.

  3. #72583
    Quote Originally Posted by Raetary View Post
    Oh god, guess there is no backtracking on Thralls lack of shamanism now.
    It's the stupidest thing, suddenly he gets his powers back and then for some reason he loses it despite nothing eventful happening between SL and TWW? Did Fyrakk nearly burning the tree spook Thrall that much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Do you think the developers didn't intend the reveal that Zovaal was trying to save the universe to be a big deal in this death cinematic? It wasn't, but they clearly thought it was going to be a mindblowing moment in moral-ambiguity, otherwise why would they ruin the rest of the expansion's storytelling just to deliver that revelation at the latest possible moment.
    Or it was a lazy pivot for a teaser of a greater threat.

    The idea is the bigger fish more than the moralistic one.

    ...at least, that's the only direction that keeps me sane. If we were genuinely intended to suddenly empathize with him based on that moment, whoever was the primary director of that entire sentence doesn't understand how human beings function.

    He has dozens of opportunities to explain exactly that and didn't say anything beyond one liner threats that make him sound like 64-era Bowser.

    Compare to, say, Illidan where we got an incomplete picture on the Eye of Sargeras ritual because it was a vision from Malfurion. By the time the plan is halted, it's already too late for him to say anything and we've only just reached him. Other than Maiev, who will obviously not listen and that he also despises with every fiber of his being. The situation is explained and we get an entire sequence in which we cooperate with him to correct the issue as it impacts the Stormrages. But then we also get the reveal he's working with the OTHER Big Bad in that process for personal power that sent him to do it. But even then the power is weighed specifically to build a coalition to create a base of operations to be an independent power in Outland away from KJ's influence, even if it didn't work. It's a sequence of reveals that look intermittently better and worse than before. Never unilaterally good.

    Legion was an over-correction to "unilateral good guy over anti-herovillain," but it was a correction back to something more like that rather than "I went nuts and decided to be a mustache twirler- except even the intro cinematic is confusing because it's the Legion that opened the portal and invaded."

    If the genuine intent of the Jailer's final words was to shock us or make us cry for the devil so to speak, whoever wrote that finale has never spoken to a human.
    Last edited by Vakir; 2024-06-03 at 06:37 PM.

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    I liked it. The Thrall bit will be a dull rehash, but he's an afterthought this expansion anyway.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

    Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.

  6. #72586
    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    No idea why you're calling me illiterate over something you're not getting yourself.
    You're not even being quoted in the "aesthetic illiteracy" portion. I'm expressing it to the guy who asked for the example.

    So, ironically, you didn't really read that effectively either.

    Glad we have an understanding on the Ersula point.
    You're literally the one who brought it up. There was nothing to understand. Don't white knight and get defensive when you're called on it.

  7. #72587
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I liked it. The Thrall bit will be a dull rehash, but he's an afterthought this expansion anyway.
    And yet, he was given the longest segment in this video.

    Green Jesus/Metzen Horde bias back at it again. This feels like Cataclysm all over again.

  8. #72588
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    And yet, he was given the longest segment in this video.

    Green Jesus/Metzen Horde bias back at it again. This feels like Cataclysm all over again.
    We will unite him with the four elements (of his mid-life crisis).
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

    Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Green Jesus/Metzen Horde bias back at it again. This feels like Cataclysm all over again.
    He's the only real "Horde" character, the finger quotes there doing a lot of work, plus it's partly a Chris homecoming, so it probably is intended as a bit of an olive branch.

    More is usually not actually more, though. I can shoot 40 minutes of footage of wallpaper paste B-roll and splice it into something else but it'll still be wallpaper paste, lol. He's irrelevant and this is no Cataclysm. Not yet anyway.

    Frankly, I'm calling him dead by or before Midnight ends.

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    Can we just mention how amazing the quality of that trailer is? Like, damn...

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    I’m kinds surprised people wouldn’t expect Metzen to want to re do thrall reconnecting with the elements given he was still at blizz when his baby lost the elements and wasn’t there when we got the shitty SL stuff about it.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

  12. #72592
    Before the X crowd starts their fake news narrative of "AlLiAnCe BIaS", let Me remind everyone that:

    - Anduin is a Neutral character. He has all but abdicated his position as the king of Stormwind and has been missing from the Alliance for many years.

    - Alleria is a Neutral character. She has abdicated her position as leader of the Ren'dorei and distanced herself from her kin at the end of the Harbinger questline.

    - Magni is a Neutral character who hasn't cared about the Alliance since his reintroduction in 2016.

    The only Alliance character in this trailer is Jaina, Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Can we just mention how amazing the quality of that trailer is? Like, damn...
    Eh, i find the animation is quite stiff.



  14. #72594
    Quote Originally Posted by Raetary View Post
    Eh, i find the animation is quite stiff.
    Same, it looks like a Hurricane video, but not as satisfying!

  15. #72595
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Can we just mention how amazing the quality of that trailer is? Like, damn...
    alleria and anduin looked kinda weird

  16. #72596
    Quote Originally Posted by Raetary View Post
    Eh, i find the animation is quite stiff.
    Animation aside, it looks something between their pre-rendered and cgi trailers. Man, if every cutscene in game from now on looks like the one between Alleria and Khadgar, and if every pre-rendered cutscene looks like this one I'm gonna be happy.

  17. #72597
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The only Alliance character in this trailer is Jaina, Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras.
    True, but it's still a bias of Alliance races. For the same reason people complain that the Death Knight Horsemen are Human Human Human orc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I liked it. The Thrall bit will be a dull rehash, but he's an afterthought this expansion anyway.
    I don't get this complaint because it never felt like his shadowlands story was the endpoint of that story. Acknowledging he had more to learn as a shaman & orc doesn't mean his powers are instantly & completely returned to him.
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  18. #72598
    Quote Originally Posted by Zardas View Post
    I mean, it is a belief. A very obvious one that any reasonnable being should have, but still a belief. The issue is that npcs ingame having the same reasonning as us irl on this matter make the game universe a tad bit too realistic, while it's supposed to be an escape from reality.
    I mean the short story doesn't even manage to argue that well. When they look at the real ledgers it seems clear that if Marin tries to run a clean business he will be undercut out of the market by other mining companies and his partners in the venture will likely have his head. And the only solution Gazlowe has to offer is using his soft power as a member of the Horde Council to protect him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The only Alliance character in this trailer is Jaina, Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras.
    It doesn't matter what is, just how it'll be perceived.

    Chris himself said that he read Thrall as a non-Horde character in Cataclysm, but you yourself just said you saw it as Horde bias, lol. And I understand why you and others would feel that way. But intentions aren't reality of execution.

    This is the problem with the constant juggling of faction characters for the A-plot.

    A return to neutral named factions as the "raid plot" focuses as in Classic with smaller skirmishes heavily rooted in specific faction characters (like Alterac Valley, or Genn vs. Sylvanas in Legion) feels like a better way to avoid all of this.

  20. #72600
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    It doesn't matter what is, just how it'll be perceived.

    Chris himself said that he read Thrall as a non-Horde character in Cataclysm, but you yourself just said you saw it as Horde bias, lol. And I understand why you and others would feel that way. But intentions aren't reality of execution.

    This is the problem with the constant juggling of faction characters for the A-plot.

    A return to neutral named factions as the "raid plot" focuses as in Classic with smaller skirmishes heavily rooted in specific faction characters (like Alterac Valley, or Genn vs. Sylvanas in Legion) feels like a better way to avoid all of this.
    Theme and aesthetics matter more than reality. Always have, always will.

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