The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Alanar]

re: goblin short story

Was a pretty good story, but i got a feeling it had a lot of reflection of how blizzard as a whole had to work under a certain other goblin until recently. It is all a big allegory to how short sighted monetary gains will leave the operation off for worse. I don't see anything socialist in it, as Gazlowe is still doing it for profit, just not in the horrible way Gallywix and other CEOs do it.


re: Thrall in the video

The video shows that Thrall still has a connection to the elements, but it seems to grow weaker. Who's to say that his lack of shaman abilities is tied to him? Perhaps what's going on in TWW is the cause for the elements not heading his call.

In a recent post, spoiler campaign. He is on top of the mountains in tww somewhere and he says he never felt this strong of a connection with the elements of air. So idk what thrall is even on about or doing at this point.

I am just done with him struggeling to find hes elements. We are hearing this since cata, then in wod cus of garrosh. I mean dude.. fix it already or gtfo is my opinion. Overrated character.

[BaumanKing]

Funny how we're basically getting SL cast again. Jaina is once again shoehorned into the story she doesn't belong, just like in SL. And we even getting Sylvanas again. Well, her dollar store version at least.

There are so many characters in wow but Blizzard keeps bringing in the same old characters over and over again. In this regard DF truly felt like a breath of fresh air.

[Cherry123]

Funny how we're basically getting SL cast again. Jaina is once again shoehorned into the story she doesn't belong, just like in SL. And we even getting Sylvanas again. Well, her dollar store version at least.

There are so many characters in wow but Blizzard keeps bringing in the same old characters over and over again. In this regard DF truly felt like a breath of fresh air.

You may have noticed that the TWW cinematic is very similar to the Shadowlands cinematic. The style and storytelling is very similar to the writing of Shadowlands and TWW with one hand. Perhaps this is Golden's job until she was fired and only at the end or in the middle will we see the differences in the cinematic. Also, with Golden gone and Metzen returning, Thrall should take over Anduin's screen time.

[Enrif]

In a recent post, spoiler campaign. He is on top of the mountains in tww somewhere and he says he never felt this strong of a connection with the elements of air. So idk what thrall is even on about or doing at this point.

I am just done with him struggeling to find hes elements. We are hearing this since cata, then in wod cus of garrosh. I mean dude.. fix it already or gtfo is my opinion. Overrated character.

That is something i noticed in the trailer. Thrall has connection to 3 elements, fire, water and earth, but no air. And his story in TWW seems very much focused on the storm raiders and thus, the element of air. Might be a hint at why he struggles. But i can't say what that hint is pointing at.

[Vakir]

Even just making Gazlowe ambitious and framing this whole insufferable lecture as being obvious proof that his approach is better, because he used to be the head of one town but now by going on about this whole 'honor' spiel jhe's the head of a whole other Cartel and is, even as they speak, muscling in on the Steamwheedle, one of the biggest, would make him exponentially more interesting. Cooperation out of self-interest.

It's funny that "Disneyfication" is on the docket as a common talking point because even they managed to approach the angle of an ambitious entrepreneur character goal back in fucking 2009.

I mean, it bombed, mostly because 2D animation, but it still wasn't this blandness.

[KainneAbsolute]

An artificer can apply to many races:

Gnomes and goblins for obvious reasons

Draenei and lightforged with crystals and light technology

Blood elves with animus technology?

[Jaggler]

so the prepatch date kinda got called by an addon

all the things when used in remix shows the patch that removes thecremix items as 11.0 so prepatch when remix ends and launch a month after

That's not really how that works, it's not like it's coded into the game that this is what happens. It's just the devs of the Addon adding the remark. We know, that there is no more DF patch until Pre-patch and we know it's highhly unlikely that Pre-patch launches while MoP Remix is still going on.

[nysisyn]

May be they could add tinker during an expansion but as a seasonal event
Like Plunderstorm and Remix

Imagine for a month, you can play a tinker in a beta version
You won't keep the character not do mythic plus or ranked pvp.. But at least Blizzard and player can test a new class, allow something new. And then do the same for other class

[Nymrohd]

I honestly don't get the Xal'atath obsession. There is no depth there. I guess it is just the voice acting together with them making her an elf?

[Xilurm]

I honestly don't get the Xal'atath obsession. There is no depth there. I guess it is just the voice acting together with them making her an elf?

What's this? Next you're going to tell me you don't get the Azshara obsession.

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yeah, early september is what most people guessed for the release of the expansion

If that's when it comes out then we'll get a release date during July.

[Nymrohd]

What's this? Next you're going to tell me you don't get the Azshara obsession.

Oh I absolutely get the Azshara obsession but Azshara is camp as hell.

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Btw is the New Holiday on the Roadmap maybe the quest about Emberthal's visage?

[Sondrelk]

Btw is the New Holiday on the Roadmap maybe the quest about Emberthal's visage?

Wouldn't really make sense. Holidays are always understood to be recurring yearly events. A visage form holiday would only make sense for Dracthyr, it to mention how it seems to be more skin to a birthday than a specific date each year.

Best bet is still a Pride Month holiday that got scrapped or moved back to 2025. It's a global event. It's easy to convert into an Azeroth equivalent. And the date it should have show up fits.

[Nymrohd]

Wouldn't really make sense. Holidays are always understood to be recurring yearly events. A visage form holiday would only make sense for Dracthyr, it to mention how it seems to be more skin to a birthday than a specific date each year.

Best bet is still a Pride Month holiday that got scrapped or moved back to 2025. It's a global event. It's easy to convert into an Azeroth equivalent. And the date it should have show up fits.

The thing is, it is described as a holiday event for dragons.

[Teriz]

It's more that the artificers are capable of technological wonders beyond anyone else. That was the key takeaway from that dialogue. It doesn't need to be a machine of the light, but it could be too.

The key takeaway from the dialogue is that Earthen are essentially rocky Goblins/Gnomes.

[Nymrohd]

An artificer can apply to many races:

Gnomes and goblins for obvious reasons

Draenei and lightforged with crystals and light technology

Blood elves with animus technology?

Sad that Hero Talents are so unambitious. They could be used down the line to add many flavours of engineering-themed subspecs for existing classes.

[Teriz]

re: the ongoing tinker/artificer debate, while artificers would be easier to take seriously (given how inherently goofy goblin and gnome technology is) and easier to sell, tinkers are more iconic and deep-rooted in the lore. There's plenty to be said for the benefits of either. That said, if we do get tinkers, I'm going to hazard a guess it would be in TLT and they'd have an overt Titan-tech theme (i.e. effectively strike a balance between the contrasting artificer/tinker themes) added to tie them into the expansion and achieve the aforementioned effect of making them easier to take seriously.

Eh, its not really a debate, just wishful thinking by posters who don't want a Goblin/Gnome based class.

If we look at the history of expansion classes, they're all based on Warcraft franchise characters, and all had abilities that first appeared in RTS/MOBAs. Gazlowe is a franchise character, and we have Tinker abilities from WC3/HotS. Some of those abilities are already translated into WoW, and we already have Earthen being shown with a variation of the claw pack. It's rather clear what concept the tech class is going to be based on.

And yes, Mimiron fits rather well for both Goblin/Gnome tech, and TLT. He's even been called a "Tinker" in game.

[Foolicious]

I honestly don't get the Xal'atath obsession. There is no depth there. I guess it is just the voice acting together with them making her an elf?

I personally don't like that they made her an elf, but from what i've seen its 90% because she is a sexy elf mommy.
She's a good villain in a sense that she achieves what the jailer didn't. She has some backstory that ties her into a lot of major events and characters without completely rewriting fan favourite lore and character motivation.

That is something i noticed in the trailer. Thrall has connection to 3 elements, fire, water and earth, but no air. And his story in TWW seems very much focused on the storm raiders and thus, the element of air. Might be a hint at why he struggles. But i can't say what that hint is pointing at.

Might be a long shot because its thrall we are talking about, but his scene reminded me a lot of harbringers - guldan. Like guldan heard kiljaeden in the absence of elements maybe thrall will hear xalatath/the void.

[Lady Atia]

It's 2024. Why isn't Blizzard uploading in 4k? Why do I have to look at artifacted youtube compression? Why aren't the uncompressed trailers for this and the Cata cinematic remaster not available for download in the press kit section of their website?

"The loneliness you pretend not to feel" WTF is this coming from? You're married. You have a husband and a son and can have even more children, and you are a beloved hero of your community.

Trailer art direction is off.

Wish the trailer/cinematic soundtracks would go back to using melodic music like what is in the actual game rather than hollywood trailer *thump*

Well, tbf we also don't have 4k ingame assets yet, only cataclysm has the option (and I'm actually not sure if it's already available or was a beta only thing?).

[Xilurm]

"The loneliness you pretend not to feel" WTF is this coming from? You're married. You have a husband and a son and can have even more children, and you are a beloved hero of your community.

Man would just say "just stop being depressed" to a depressed person.

[Ersula]

Blood elves with animus technology?

The word artificer originates from the Silmarillion, in the form of an elf exclusive magic. So the elf basis is already there.

And yes, Mimiron fits rather well for both Goblin/Gnome tech, and TLT. He's even been called a "Tinker" in game.

I suppose, if its a hero class, they might give it an extremely limited race selection, but I hope they don't. Tinker has a specific racial connotation but Artificer takes that idea & makes it more general. Given the fantasy lore basis for the artificer, it makes sense for them to show up in the elf expansion.

Don't say "That's Tolkien, not WoW" as if western fantasy's inspiration from lord of the rings isn't inseparable.