The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[SilverLion]

There is no point to doing those things. People clearly want to test the game for free: They're not being coerced into doing it. Any damage to the culture of the community is only in your imagination.

I'd love to see some sort of data about the mysterious "community" anyways. From my PoV as someone in their 30s, the concept of meeting strangers in games and being community is kinda dead. Community is whatever you want it to be now. A lot of people bring their outside friends into a game like WoW. I know some people might meet as individuals in guilds but then it turns into a friend group that proceeds to play other stuff together and becomes an outside friend situation. So I'm just not seeing why everyone needs to slapped together on the same boat like it makes a difference. Are we worried about matchmaking? Is that the issue? I just don't understand what this "community" is supposed to be if people already play the game with their friends anyways.

[Teriz]

Looks too close to paladins which we already have.

Which is the huge problem with Draenei tech in general, and why I don't think it's going to be part of the technology class.

If you're going to go backpack, have stuff that isn't weapons players are already wielding. Flamethrowers, buzzsaws, rayguns, Dr. Octopus arms, etc.

I don't think we need to rebuild everything here. We simply need to utilize a derivative of the WC3 claw pack works just fine. Artist Author Lorenz did that perfectly here;

[doledippers]

There is no point to doing those things. People clearly want to test the game for free: They're not being coerced into doing it. Any damage to the culture of the community is only in your imagination.

yeah i hate the idea of "lol just hire more QA", its just ignorant of the actual QA process. will more QA people help? yes. is there any sized QA department on planet earth that would be as useful as a public beta test? absolutely not

[Throren]

Not just in game dev, but any programmer or tester for any piece of hardware or software, or heck, any sort of equipment literally everywhere would agree that no matter how many QA testers you have, (You could have a thousand) you still wont be able to find or predict even a quarter of the bugs, problems and things regular users will find and do when they get their hands on it

[Treegdar]

yeah i hate the idea of "lol just hire more QA", its just ignorant of the actual QA process. will more QA people help? yes. is there any sized QA department on planet earth that would be as useful as a public beta test? absolutely not

While this is true, hasn't there been posts from Blizz before about how the MoP beta was less helpful than they hoped cause they got overwhelmed with people just going, "why is this broken??? I paid for access fix now!"

[Xilurm]

No Earthen Death Knights? Could it be they actually want it to make sense? I sure hope so.

[Reive]

There is no point to doing those things. People clearly want to test the game for free: They're not being coerced into doing it. Any damage to the culture of the community is only in your imagination.

many saying that retail is incredibly unfriendly to new players is not in my imagination. blizzard itself admitted that. min maxing the crap out game before the expansion is even out only breeds toxicity and elitism. It's not a problem for me and it's not a problem for you because we're veterans of the game. also, making people pay for a beta is scummy, and that's enough to be against it. yeah, no one is getting forced but they're highly incentivized by the other perks they get. It's a business strategy

[Ersula]

No Earthen Death Knights? Could it be they actually want it to make sense? I sure hope so.

If they really did it means the devs also forgot the original Death Knights (Warcraft 2) weren't made by the Lich King. "Death Knights can only be made by the Lich King" was never true.

many saying that retail is incredibly unfriendly to new players is not in my imagination. blizzard itself admitted that. min maxing the crap out game before the expansion is even out only breeds toxicity and elitism. It's not a problem for me and it's not a problem for you because we're veterans of the game. also, making people pay for a beta is scummy, and that's enough to be against it. yeah, no one is getting forced but they're highly incentivized by the other perks they get. It's a business strategy

You're saying this like these problems with the game are directly related to the Beta and/or each other. They're not.

[doledippers]

While this is true, hasn't there been posts from Blizz before about how the MoP beta was less helpful than they hoped cause they got overwhelmed with people just going, "why is this broken??? I paid for access fix now!"

yeah that is true, which is why i think the paid beta is a better alternative to fully random invites. i mentioned earlier that if you spend $90 dollars on the preorder ur likely invested in the game, which would probably make for a better beta tester

[Reive]

yeah i hate the idea of "lol just hire more QA", its just ignorant of the actual QA process. will more QA people help? yes. is there any sized QA department on planet earth that would be as useful as a public beta test? absolutely not

I hate doing comparisons, but why can ffxiv release an expansion with almost no bugs without any external testing while wow can't? probably because the qa at blizzard sucks

[Xilurm]

If they really did it means the devs also forgot the original Death Knights (Warcraft 2) weren't made by the Lich King. "Death Knights can only be made by the Lich King" was never true.

Those death knights and the one made by the Lich King and Bolvar aren't the same. Also, we find the Earthen way after that anyway. We're in present time now.

[doledippers]

but why can ffxiv release an expansion with almost no bugs without any external testing while wow can't?

not only is this just false, but wow is way more complex than ff14. and saying "the fact that there are bugs = QA bad" just further demonstrates your ignorance. Its an extremely common occurrence for QA to find bugs, report them, and have them go unfixed due to low priority. thats actually just how QA works. QA only FINDS the bugs, they dont fix them

[Dracullus]

I hate doing comparisons, but why can ffxiv release an expansion with almost no bugs without any external testing while wow can't? probably because the qa at blizzard sucks

Oh yeah FF had perfect launches. Last time people couldn't buy game for months if I remember correctly, right? xDD

[Santandame]

That's the level of testing a game needs so the launch isn't full of bugs.

If you believe that the majority of players who pre purchased for beta access did so to test and report bugs then I have some magic beans to sell you.

[Reive]

not only is this just false, but wow is way more complex than ff14. and saying "the fact that there are bugs = QA bad" just further demonstrates your ignorance. Its an extremely common occurrence for QA to find bugs, report them, and have them go unfixed due to low priority. thats actually just how QA works. QA only FINDS the bugs, they dont fix them

bro mop remix and cata are falling apart. having minor bugs unfixed is normal (that's why i said with almost no bugs) but having major features not working is bad

Oh yeah FF had perfect launches. Last time people couldn't buy game for months if I remember correctly, right? xDD

Square enix having a dogshit server infrastructure=/=bugs. you are comparing different things lmao

[doledippers]

bro mop remix and cata are falling apart. having minor bugs unfixed is normal (that's why i said with almost no bugs) but having major features not working is bad

what major feature in mop remix is not working

[Ersula]

Those death knights and the one made by the Lich King and Bolvar aren't the same. Also, we find the Earthen way after that anyway. We're in present time now.

The important thing is there isn't one specific way to become a Death Knight. If anything the Primus demonstrates its just an ancient form of Magic, something Earthen would be familiar with, new & old.

If you believe that the majority of players who pre purchased for beta access did so to test and report bugs then I have some magic beans to sell you.

"the majority of players pre-purchased for beta access" is nothing like what I said. This is a conversation about if public testing is helpful to the game. The fact that a noticeable number of people are waiting for Beta serves to come online at this moment is proof enough of that.

[Santandame]

Christ, going through the past few pages and it’s insane how toxic & unpleasant some of the thread “regulars” get when someone has a difference of opinion to them. Even more insane that it doesn’t seem to be frowned upon. Strange behaviour.

[Xilurm]

The important thing is there isn't one specific way to become a Death Knight. If anything the Primus demonstrates its just an ancient form of Magic, something Earthen would be familiar with, new & old.

Well whatever it is I'm wondering what kind of explanation Blizz will give, if any.

[Marlamin]

Beta build is out now!