The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Barator]

Far worse than DF Beta launch. I am trying it now when things should be more chill, can't even copy character.

What is more interesting, MoP Remix is going on here and it's not fake, you can create timerunning character on leveling realms. Should we reconsider possibility of DF Pre-patch coming during Remix?

I remind you that if Season 4 will last as long as SL version (12 weeks), pre-patch would come 30th July. And in DF first phase of pre-patch (just system/class changes) lasted 3 weeks. So I can imagine scenario of 11.0 coming 30th July, pre-patch event starting 21st August (so Remix chars are thrown right into action to start story and grab easy gear) and expac coming 2 weeks later. It would also fullfill their promise of patch every two months without slightest delay.

Not saying it's most likely now, just throwing it in as possibility. Imo on Sunday on Xbox showcase we will learn release date and if it's 2nd September, this calculation should be correct.

Yes I think thats the plan. Why should they release the pre patch and end remix at the same time, resulting in 2 or 3 weeks of nothing to do. Ending remix and releasing the pre patch event makes way more sense

Also the Alpha had the exact same length as the DF Alpha had, if the Beta follows the same schedule (12 weeks and a few days) release will be 2nd september

[Santandame]

Man, it really seems like this is the first alpha/beta for most people? Sure, yesterday was annoying, but it was to be expected. So are bugs ... just report, try again or move on?

Of course it’s a lot of peoples first beta. Blizzard have literally opened up beta for everyone provided they pay for it. The last time we saw this was with MoP and it was staggered. There’s also a high chance these people won’t be reporting bugs as you suggested. They aren’t using it to test and report bugs, it’s going to be treated as early access. As Lahis brought up above - there’s going to be a lot of angry people when they realise their characters and progress won’t cross over to live. There’s also going to be a lot of people complaining two weeks into launch that there’s either no content, the content is boring, or the content is monotonous after sweating it out on beta for a few months prior to launch. This is a shit show waiting to happen sadly, and even more sadly so it seems like it’ll be the norm going forward if sales are indeed high.

[Nymrohd]

I did, that's how I ended up on Dalaran. You talk to Magni in the Heart Chamber and then you are sent into Dalaran and then nothing.

Oh damn, I talk to Magni there and soon after I just DC
I think they are just hiding the next part and you need to talk to the tauren to get to the Isle.


Also, I've been to almost every beta (I missed Cataclysm for some reason, what gives Blizz?). Usually the starting quests would work after more than a month of being open for testing. Possibly the issue is just their servers not being able to handle this.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

So... things are slightly more stable now? Tried the beta again this morning, still couldn't do SHIT.

Which servers are for endgame content and which ones can I do the TWW leveling?

[Viridiel]

I did, that's how I ended up on Dalaran. You talk to Magni in the Heart Chamber and then you are sent into Dalaran and then nothing.

Talk to Khadgar and tell him which zone you want to go to.

[Joshuaj]

Why tf is my Beta account locked to WoW4 and WoW7??? I don't want to relevel tf???

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So... things are slightly more stable now? Tried the beta again this morning, still couldn't do SHIT.

Which servers are for endgame content and which ones can I do the TWW leveling?

Khadgar and Alleria are the leveling servers

[Lady Atia]

Seems like you cant go to Khaz Algar on a copied character rn.

[Dracullus]

Feels like we are starting in Dalaran solely to bring back Legion nostalgia.

Seems like you cant go to Khaz Algar on a copied character rn.

Strange you managed to copy in the first place.

[Lady Atia]

Feels like we are starting in Dalaran solely to bring back Legion nostalgia.



Strange you managed to copy in the first place.

It was enabled last night when servers first came up. So yeah, I have my mounts but my geared char is still stuck so it's not like I got much out of it.^^

[Cheezits]

My first thought is that the zones definitely feel smaller than Dragonflight, but unlike those zones there is more to see and do and it doesn't feel as "dead".

DF had the excuse that the isles were gone and not a lot of people lived there to begin with, but they still felt a little too empty for me. The fact that the dragonspawn only lived in very small areas in the zones rubbed me the wrong way. Meanwhile in Azj-Kahet there are tons of little towns outside of the main city, including the Harronir and Niffen settlements. Nerub'ar is definitely not as big as Suramar City but the zone overall is more populated than Suramar was.

I'm thinking Midnight will have slightly larger zones because it's an open space, and then Northrend will be similarly huge to DF.

[Dracullus]

Flew around new zones for a while, now I wait just for character copy to check some things and my Beta journey is done.

Kudos for people who actually stay and test leveling multiple times, last time I leveled on Beta was Legion - and only because it was year after last substantial WoD patch.

[Makorus]

Flew around new zones for a while, now I wait just for character copy to check some things and my Beta journey is done.

Kudos for people who actually stay and test leveling multiple times, last time I leveled on Beta was Legion - and only because it was year after last substantial WoD patch.

Same, funnily enough Legion was the last time I properly levelled through a beta. Just kinda ruins the fun.

I log in, test dungeons, and my classes that I am considering, see if there are any glaring issues and that's it for me.

[Eldryth]

Wowhead has a new post up about one of the Max Level Campaign chapters, and it has a bit of info on the Ascended Nerubians.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war...poilers-342565

Namely, there are friendly ones already, despite the initial claim that they would be loyal to Xal'atath. One of them is a quartermaster for one of the new Renown factions. However, Xal'atath can assume direct control of them at any time. With this setup, it could make sense for them to become playable at the very end of TWW, storywise- once Xal'atath is dead. But the devs cited issues with making their animations look good when they said there are no plans for it, so maybe this is something they considered but couldn't make work well because of the extra arms.

(Also, for everyone wanting more Horde focus, Lilian Voss seems to be the star of this chapter.)

[Nymrohd]

(Also, for everyone wanting more Horde focus, Lilian Voss seems to be the star of this chapter.)

I was thinking exactly about this when I was reading the article.
For years one of the complaints was "Horde characters become villains and die, Alliance characters become Neutral". Not that anyone was happy with either option but I think this was largely true. The thing is, the neutral Alliance-themed characters could easily be used for the main expansion storylines while the Horde had a much smaller roster for this. Perhaps because it was so very wrong of them that the first character from the Horde that they chose to transition to neutral was Thrall and that questline was just abysmal even if you get past the "why is an Alliance character helping Thrall get married during an all out faction war?"

But we are well past that, faction conflict will likely remain irrelevant for the foreseeable time. I don't want any discussion on that, I don't think it matters. For Horde players to get a better chance at involvement, they need more of their roster to join the "neutral" cast. Thrall is there. Lilian is ALSO there, she was familiar to the Alliance due to the original dungeon quests after all and they have used her consistently since. Who else could join?
Some are already there, just not used as much. Baine and Aethas have largely been seen as more Alliance than Horde by a lot of Horde players so they are not satisfying to use as Neutrals. Thalyssra would make a solid pick for the elf side since she started as Neutral. I cannot say Mayla was nearly as successful a character (but if we are to have a tauren for the neutral cast, how about Lasan over more Baine?)



Also, Marin Noggenfogger was for some reason in Dalaran during the crash and is saved in the intro. Maybe he will be used in the pre-expansion quests and that is how he ended up there (maybe they request his aid as an alchemist to wake Magni up?). No one probably noted it as important when the zone first became available because we did not have the short story yet but now that we do, I think this clearly means he will be engaged in whatever goblin content we get; perhaps he is meant to be the neutral NPC so Gazlowe can retain a Horde-focus.

[Xilurm]

(Also, for everyone wanting more Horde focus, Lilian Voss seems to be the star of this chapter.)

Can she get a new model at least? Jesus Christ...

[Santandame]

I was thinking exactly about this when I was reading the article.
For years one of the complaints was "Horde characters become villains and die, Alliance characters become Neutral". Not that anyone was happy with either option but I think this was largely true. The thing is, the neutral Alliance-themed characters could easily be used for the main expansion storylines while the Horde had a much smaller roster for this. Perhaps because it was so very wrong of them that the first character from the Horde that they chose to transition to neutral was Thrall and that questline was just abysmal even if you get past the "why is an Alliance character helping Thrall get married during an all out faction war?"

But we are well past that, faction conflict will likely remain irrelevant for the foreseeable time. I don't want any discussion on that, I don't think it matters. For Horde players to get a better chance at involvement, they need more of their roster to join the "neutral" cast. Thrall is there. Lilian is ALSO there, she was familiar to the Alliance due to the original dungeon quests after all and they have used her consistently since. Who else could join?
Some are already there, just not used as much. Baine and Aethas have largely been seen as more Alliance than Horde by a lot of Horde players so they are not satisfying to use as Neutrals. Thalyssra would make a solid pick for the elf side since she started as Neutral. I cannot say Mayla was nearly as successful a character (but if we are to have a tauren for the neutral cast, how about Lasan over more Baine?)



Also, Marin Noggenfogger was for some reason in Dalaran during the crash and is saved in the intro. Maybe he will be used in the pre-expansion quests and that is how he ended up there (maybe they request his aid as an alchemist to wake Magni up?). No one probably noted it as important when the zone first became available because we did not have the short story yet but now that we do, I think this clearly means he will be engaged in whatever goblin content we get; perhaps he is meant to be the neutral NPC so Gazlowe can retain a Horde-focus.

I think if we’re to go off a race by race basis then we could see something like:

Orc - Thrall

Tauren - Baine (Reintroduce Magatha please and she can be the Horde centric Tauren leader who opposes Baine the majority of times)

Forsaken - Lillian

Darkspear - Zekhan (He was primed for neutrality during BfA)

Blood Elves - Lor’themar (He feels neutral at this point. Have Rommath be the Horde focused Blood Elf.)

Goblins - Noggenfogger

Nightborne - Occulus or Thalyssra

HM Tauren - Lasan (Lasan is an interesting one. We spend a lot of time with him as both Alliance/Horde during Legion so the familiarity is there. But he was also a notable Horde centric figure during the War Campaign in BfA. The only other options are Mayla who like you said is lukewarm, and Jale Rivermane - god no thank you. I feel like despite being a dragon, Ebonhorn would have been ideal but now he’s an Aspect it doesn’t work.)

Which leaves the Mag’har, Vulpera and Zandalari. I don’t know nearly enough about the Vulpera characters so can’t comment. The Mag’har are severely suffering from having little to no notable characters. The Zandalari are a tricky one, they should all be pretty much opposed to working with the Alliance. Rastakhan was their God King, and they seem to revere Talanji too. I can’t think of any noteworthy Zandalari that would slot well in the neutral role.

Now if we’re to condense that list down to better contrast the Alliance side of Anduin, Jaina, Alleria, Magni, Tyrande and the occasional Velen and Genn. Then I think we’re best looking at Thrall, Baine, Lillian, Zekhan and Thalyssra. It’s not the best lineup by any means but it gets Horde rep that play well in the neutral camp. Outside of Thrall, they’re vastly overshadowed by the Alliance side though in terms of power, prowess, feats and lore.

[milkmustache]

Can she get a new model at least? Jesus Christ...

Or at least new armor to wear. Thankfully they gave a new set to Gorgonna instead of just wearing the Warlord's set from Vanilla.

[Cheezits]

Wowhead has a new post up about one of the Max Level Campaign chapters, and it has a bit of info on the Ascended Nerubians.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war...poilers-342565

Namely, there are friendly ones already, despite the initial claim that they would be loyal to Xal'atath. One of them is a quartermaster for one of the new Renown factions. However, Xal'atath can assume direct control of them at any time. With this setup, it could make sense for them to become playable at the very end of TWW, storywise- once Xal'atath is dead. But the devs cited issues with making their animations look good when they said there are no plans for it, so maybe this is something they considered but couldn't make work well because of the extra arms.

(Also, for everyone wanting more Horde focus, Lilian Voss seems to be the star of this chapter.)

You left out a major spoiler in there: the old, good queen of the Nerubians is still alive, albeit transformed into a monster That and the sympathetic ones makes me think the AR setup is all there, as they even still have a leader figure

Regarding the dev comment: I don't think it's really symbolic of their fate, it could just mean a pushback to TLT as Nerubians will appear again. They say they have issues with the arm animations but on wowhead their arm animations are all there and they can hold every weapon. They even have things like unique swimming animations, which I am confused why they even exist.

The issue is probably the gear and that would just be barbershop again.

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Or at least new armor to wear. Thankfully they gave a new set to Gorgonna instead of just wearing the Warlord's set from Vanilla.

Voss not having new armor is kind of crazy and I'm guessing it's just yet another kickback to Midnight where there may be a Forsaken zone. Considering she is really their main character as Calia doesn't appear I'm confused why they haven't bothered to give her or Shandris anything.

[Nymrohd]

Flying around the Ringing Depths, it is very disappointing that I cannot ascend up back to the Isle of Dorn (or to wherever I guess?) through all the sunshafts around the zone. It does break the immersion. Reminds me of how weird it felt that you could not fly from Aberrus to the Obsidian Citadel somehow.

[huth]

Flying around the Ringing Depths, it is very disappointing that I cannot ascend up back to the Isle of Dorn (or to wherever I guess?) through all the sunshafts around the zone. It does break the immersion. Reminds me of how weird it felt that you could not fly from Aberrus to the Obsidian Citadel somehow.

Why would you have been able to? Aberrus was Neltharion's secret lab, he didn't want people to wander in by accident.

The sunshafts are a bit more questionable, though that might be for technical reasons. The whole seamless transition thing doesn't always work properly for Zaralek, sometimes i just get stuck and have to relog to unstuck.