The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Shadowferal]

Yes, which is why Blizzard's excuses for cross region incompability don't hold any water.

..."ocean" water.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Don't forget about the current Lord Commander of the Alliance Forces.

Holy shit, you keep pushing this narrative of Turalyon more than he actually is. Light zealot now?

Are you ever going to follow up with some actual proof/evidence of your assertions about fictional characters?

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Hmm thats false, many do actually. Seen people mentioning this many times.

Wether you like it or not.

What a weird thing to co-sign on. As if people purposely deluding themselves and operating under their personal opinions/beliefs as actual truth is a good thing.

ESPECIALLY when the established lore/store of a fictional work has every single piece of fucking information there for anybody to research.

Bad post here all around.

[Nightshade711]

Holy shit, you keep pushing this narrative of Turalyon more than he actually is. Light zealot now?

Are you ever going to follow up with some actual proof/evidence of your assertions about fictional characters?

Don’t you see?
Turalyon is a light zealot because… his wife is a prominent void user who he defended to Xe’ra.

Or was it because he didn’t trust the mutated abominations created by Deathwing, who destroyed a major part of Stormwind & has a history of having his kin infiltrate human society.

Or maybe when he got mad at Illidan for destroying his (perceived) only chance at stopping the Burning Legion.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I'm pretty sure they're only on MMO-Champion, which is a fringe and obscure fan-forum and an echo chamber.

^And we have exhibit A of this "phenomenon" You must feel very at home being able to get away with what you have described.
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Don’t you see?
Turalyon is a light zealot because… his wife is a prominent void user who he defended to Xe’ra.

Or was it because he didn’t trust the mutated abominations created by Deathwing, who destroyed a major part of Stormwind & has a history of having his kin infiltrate human society.

Or maybe when he got mad at Illidan for destroying his (perceived) only chance at stopping the Burning Legion.

Yeah and totally forgot about the part where he spent the last ___ expansions walking around talking about how the Light is the only way to salvation and if you do not repent and convert, you will burn in the holy fires of righteousness.

And according to @BaumanKing his wife is now queer-coded which is one-step away from leaving him, as to spiral him into depression.

[Makabreska]

Hmm thats false, many do actually. Seen people mentioning this many times.

Wether you like it or not.

Ye, no. Haven't seen anyone beside Bauman trying so desperately to turn Turalyon into a villain, didn't even seen anyone alluding to that.

[Shadowferal]

"The War Within" apparently means something different to others.
This thread seems to exemplify such.

[Nightshade711]

Yeah and totally forgot about the part where he spent the last ___ expansions walking around talking about how the Light is the only way to salvation and if you do not repent and convert, you will burn in the holy fires of righteousness.

And according to @BaumanKing his wife is now queer-coded which is one-step away from leaving him, as to spiral him into depression.

IMO I’d sooner believe Alleria becoming a villain before Turalyon.
I’d imagine blizzard would be hesitant to reduce yet another known human paladin lore hero to a villain especially given SL.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

"The War Within" apparently means something different to others.
This thread seems to exemplify such.

TWW is intended for double-meaning.

The "war within" the planet of Azeroth itself and the "war within" our hearts. Thrall and his inner turmoil with being a shaman and calling upon the elements (rather, his lack thereof due to him murdering Garrosh on Draenor)... Anduin with him coming to terms with his trauma suffered in 'Shadowlands' and Alleria with her internal struggle against the Void.

And Xal'atath understands this and exploits them at every turn.

[Makabreska]

Pre-patch date finally announced, hype levels are rising!

[Varodoc]

IMO I’d sooner believe Alleria becoming a villain before Turalyon.
I’d imagine blizzard would be hesitant to reduce yet another known human paladin lore hero to a villain especially given SL.

Alleria is a Neutral character, and Neutral characters NEVER get villain-batted.

[Sondrelk]

Pre-patch date finally announced, hype levels are rising!

Can't wait!
Going to be on vacation for when the pre-pathc itself starts, but will be back just in time for the second half of the pre-patch, leaving me nothing but the most hype filled moments leading up to the expansion launch itself.

[Xilurm]

Don’t you see?
Turalyon is a light zealot because… his wife is a prominent void user who he defended to Xe’ra.

Or was it because he didn’t trust the mutated abominations created by Deathwing, who destroyed a major part of Stormwind & has a history of having his kin infiltrate human society.

Or maybe when he got mad at Illidan for destroying his (perceived) only chance at stopping the Burning Legion.

If Turalyon was the character they think he is he would've sliced Illidan's head off and killed his wife long ago.

I do also remember Bauman got upset when Turalyon was concerned about the Dracthyr literally showing out of nowhere and entering SW like they own it.

Wonder if he gets upset at people that lock their doors and don't allow strangers to just walk in.

[Lady Atia]

Pre-patch date finally announced, hype levels are rising!

Yeah and still people are having weird lore discussions instead of potential future game changes (or even atleast lore that's actually related to TWW or the world soul saga).

Anyways, can't wait to finish the Mythic Awakened Raids next week with Raszha and than go into holiday-prepatch mode. Will defo do some chill off-season battleground blitz with my planned s1 chars to get a feeling for class changes etc (since I slacked in beta tbh haha).

[Sondrelk]

If Turalyon was the character they think he is he would've sliced Illidan's head off and killed his wife long ago.

I do also remember Bauman got upset when Turalyon was concerned about the Dracthyr literally showing out of nowhere and entering SW like they own it.

Wonder if he gets upset at people that lock their doors and don't allow strangers to just walk in.

You don't get it! He is just biding his time until he could usurp the Alliance fully and make it the Scarlet Crusade 2.0. Zealots are after all nothing if not rational planners.

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Yeah and still people are having weird lore discussions instead of potential future game changes (or even atleast lore that's actually related to TWW or the world soul saga).

Anyways, can't wait to finish the Mythic Awakened Raids next week with Raszha and than go into holiday-prepatch mode. Will defo do some chill off-season battleground blitz with my planned s1 chars to get a feeling for class changes etc (since I slacked in beta tbh haha).

Can't think of many potential game changes worth discussing. Even more so when it would only be speculation. Maybe if I had some idea of what changes I think the game could need, but most of them are either already implemented, too radical, or cosmetic stuff like removing transmog limitations on armour.

[Lady Atia]

You don't get it! He is just biding his time until he could usurp the Alliance fully and make it the Scarlet Crusade 2.0. Zealots are after all nothing if not rational planners.

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Can't think of many potential game changes worth discussing. Even more so when it would only be speculation. Maybe if I had some idea of what changes I think the game could need, but most of them are either already implemented, too radical, or cosmetic stuff like removing transmog limitations on armour.

- Removing Transmog limitations per armour
- Increasing Transmog options for weapon types, as in allowing more classes to mog more weapon types similiar to the change in d4 (which they kinda implied in an interview)
- PvP Rewards structure changes (also implied in an interview, possible via pvp renown similiar to other mmo's?)
- Future BG's and the potential of reworks (I would love a new take on alterac, with an hd look and modern gameplay, also revamp all achievements who aren't really possible without win trading)
- The "20% dmg buff" within the raid that will hopefully fix the problems of current Mythic raiding in guilds that aren't top 200. What else could they change? Maybe having id's work like on nh/hc? Shorter seasons, easier raids that are still tuned harder for the first 3 weeks for r2wf?
- Timewalking vs Remix. What's better for the game? Which expansions to choose?
- Does the trading post still work, how can it be improved? Proper battlepass, or simply more rewards on the track itself? They initially said they would give out the "thing that's the most pricey to get that everyone wants anyways" as the monthly rewards, which is no longer the case and they also abandoned shop bundles thanks to QQ, meaning less tenders for EVERYONE else.

Oh also, I really hope if they want to bring back pvp as a proper ingame pillar for the masses that they take a look at epic bg's. What is their purpose in the rated pvp pillar (I know it gives no rating but it should still be important for progression there imo). They also need to fix the fact that communities basically win trade these for achievements, again, I think both the epic bg's themselves aswell as their achievements need a rework to bring them in 2024.

[Nightshade711]

- Removing Transmog limitations per armour
- Increasing Transmog options for weapon types, as in allowing more classes to mog more weapon types similiar to the change in d4 (which they kinda implied in an interview)
- PvP Rewards structure changes (also implied in an interview, possible via pvp renown similiar to other mmo's?)
- Future BG's and the potential of reworks (I would love a new take on alterac, with an hd look and modern gameplay, also revamp all achievements who aren't really possible without win trading)
- The "20% dmg buff" within the raid that will hopefully fix the problems of current Mythic raiding in guilds that aren't top 200. What else could they change? Maybe having id's work like on nh/hc? Shorter seasons, easier raids that are still tuned harder for the first 3 weeks for r2wf?
- Timewalking vs Remix. What's better for the game? Which expansions to choose?
- Does the trading post still work, how can it be improved? Proper battlepass, or simply more rewards on the track itself?

Would love those, especially the PvP stuff.
I personally think there should be a system similar to the vicious saddle but for acquiring previous seasons elite transmogs. (Certain wins above 1800 for past elite sets. Certain wins above 2100 for past enchants, etc)

Also I hope they continue doing remix, I think it was a good gap-filler for the time between the last patch & the start of next xpac.
I’d love to see a Legion remix.

[Lady Atia]

Would love those, especially the PvP stuff.
I personally think there should be a system similar to the vicious saddle but for acquiring previous seasons elite transmogs. (Certain wins above 1800 for past elite sets. Certain wins above 2100 for past enchants, etc)

Also I hope they continue doing remix, I think it was a good gap-filler for the time between the last patch & the start of next xpac.
I’d love to see a Legion remix.

Yeah, just make it so that you can only get one elite set and one gladiator mount per bnet account per season, and restrict it so that you can only get stuff that's older than 2 expansions in order to bring it in line with Mythic raiding rewards. No rating required, just you doing rated pvp. Gladiator mounts wouldn't give you the FoS if you farm it later, give people who own an elite set also a new FoS per season, and don't allow people to actually catch-up. Best of both worlds.

[Makorus]

Yeah, just make it so that you can only get one elite set and one gladiator mount per bnet account per season, and restrict it so that you can only get stuff that's older than 2 expansions in order to bring it in line with Mythic raiding rewards. No rating required, just you doing rated pvp. Gladiator mounts wouldn't give you the FoS if you farm it later, give people who own an elite set also a new FoS per season, and don't allow people to actually catch-up. Best of both worlds.

Just make Elite Sets buyable with like 50-100 Marks of Honor per set, no limit as long as you have like 1600 Rating

No one actually remembers what the Elite PvP sets from Legion for example look like, so all it does hamper making Transmogs, especially with WoW not having a dye system.

Elite Sets have no prestige to them, while Gladiator Mounts really do (and should imo stay unavailable).

[Enrif]

- Timewalking vs Remix. What's better for the game? Which expansions to choose?

I don't like timewalking that much. But Remix on the other hand. That is an interesing thing to do. Sure you faceroll at certain points everything, but, why not? It's old content anyway. And you have the ability to get all the cosmetics in a feasible way (got everything there is to buy with bronze, only the random weapons missing). If they do this for more old content, especially with the cosmetics angle, i think Remix will be much better for the community. And compared to timewalking, Remix can be used to bridge content low's far better. MoP was also a good start, as most of their cosmetics still hold up to time, compared to classic to cata. The next one should certainly be WoD, as it also had a loot of cosmetics, some which you only could get from the random assaults on your garrision. Then when Legion Remix comes, a way to earn the removed Mage Tower skins!

[milkmustache]

Yeah and still people are having weird lore discussions instead of potential future game changes (or even atleast lore that's actually related to TWW or the world soul saga).

Anyways, can't wait to finish the Mythic Awakened Raids next week with Raszha and than go into holiday-prepatch mode. Will defo do some chill off-season battleground blitz with my planned s1 chars to get a feeling for class changes etc (since I slacked in beta tbh haha).

We can reframe the discussion a bit then!

I've been trying to figure out what exactly Illidan's role will be in TLT. Oddly enough, the stance I imagine him taking is very similar to Iridikron's; Illidan believes in self determinism to an extent, so I imagine his view on the Titans and the World Soul (and whatever Azeroth in her awakened form may be) would reflect his reaction to Xera's Gift.

Does this credit a redundancy in Iridikron and Illidan, a rivalry, or will Illidan be Titan propaganda-fied during his time with the Pantheon? Or does he have involvement at all?

Timewalking vs Remix. What's better for the game? Which expansions to choose?

I think Remix outdoes Timewalking 9 times out of 10, and I'd love to see how they approach future iterations of Remix in the future. I think it has fantastic use for reframing old lore or simply retreading familiar themes before new expansions. I don't love the idea of time limited seasonal content, but I am finding myself bored with alts after a while, to which I wish I could use them to collect transmogs during pre-patch. I imagine Remix stays as a season 4 staple, but I think some tweaks could be made to make it perfect. That being said, I entirely expect Legion Remix for Midnight.