The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[micwini]

Iirc the troll was literally created for the cinematic and was only given an ingame npc after people liked him that much thanks to the memes. Faerin is our arathi main character who will be our khadgar-style guide once we travel to Avaloren, so people better get chill with her haha.

If they truly reuse or ditch characters based on how much people like them, ill actually not get chill with her
I think they mentioned for zappyboi that it was a coincidence of the audience liking him and he being already featured in cinematics and a small bit ingame.

[Makabreska]

OK? I mean I just gave one example. We've had tons of characters that are in zones that are central, but in the grand scheme of things, minor characters.

Ok. And from what we already know, this character ain't it.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Still makes me mad years later. Shadowlands would have been far more enjoyable if at least one of the Covenant leaders was a real Warcraft character.

[Nymrohd]

Man, why are there so many pages talking about stuff they don't like? It's not criticism to argue you don't like Faerin. Like ok, I don't find her attractive either, but who cares? There's other attractive women or men...

... like this lady here.

Yeah the movement on Onweyna in the trailer is awesome. But I am still sure she is a dreadlord

[Ersula]

When was the last time a black woman's character design in a western game was met with anything but shocked disgust (or ignorance aka background character)?

Even the girl in Pokemon was a big issue so it's not just western. Westerners just really don't like black chicks in games.

Don't lump all of western society with the loudest minority of chronically online chuds.

[Lady Atia]

If they truly reuse or ditch characters based on how much people like them, ill actually not get chill with her
I think they mentioned for zappyboi that it was a coincidence of the audience liking him and he being already featured in cinematics and a small bit ingame.

There is the interview, he was always meant to be "a character" but they basically only added him to the Saurfang quests because people liked him so much:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/zappy-b...-316903?page=4

Following the cinematic, players saw Zekhan make his appearance in game as well, aiding Saurfang's rebellious movement against Sylvanas during Battle for Azeroth. In an interview with Taliesin & Evitel, Lead Game Designer Kevin Martens revealed that while Zekhan was always meant to be a character, the characters immense popularity prompted them to grow his role beyond what was original envisioned. As a result, the young Shaman becomes a recurring character in Saurfang's quest chain, first helping fight off Sylvanas' assassins, then attempting to intervene in Saurfang's fateful duel with the Banshee Queen, and finally remaining in Orgrimmar to tell stories of his friend. He even makes an appearance within the Horrific Vision of Orgrimmar, and if Shadow's Rising is any indication, could very well have a role to play in Shadowlands as well!

[Eeram]

I knew that spiders and I think mantis does that but I am just not fond of taking people to get killed? Because she asks you to find her husband in a city under a fascist regime so I thought the guy was in danger. So I guide him through the city, avoiding the guards and when we get there, he gets killed. And I did not want to be complicit to that.

Lucky for you im almost positive thats not a main story quest so you can skip it

[micwini]

Between the voice and the dark elf dommy mommy getup, Xal is obviously designed to be attractive, and it's obviously working as well.

Faerin isn't, I don't see what's inherently wrong with that. That's just a function of Blizzard designing different characters differently, and it makes for a healthier mix than enforcing that every, or even most, characters should be super hot.

The issue is the extremes. You can make a character not attractive without going towards the absolute extreme other end of the spectrum. This is the issue with all this type of stuff. Weave in different stuff without going to the extremes.
I guarantee you: If they tried this "diversity approach" in a more mature way, a lot less people would have issues with it. It is obvious and on the nose, especially this character in specific. It is literally a checklist of all things put into one character.

[Lady Atia]

Yeah the movement on Onweyna in the trailer is awesome. But I am still sure she is a dreadlord

Good, because we need more named dreadlord ladies. I still hope we didn't kill kill Kin'tessa in Shadowlands.

[micwini]

There is the interview, he was always meant to be "a character" but they basically only added him to the Saurfang quests because people liked him so much:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/zappy-b...-316903?page=4

I see yes. So yeah, better keep bashing Faerin so she can be contained in TWW!

[Nymrohd]

So it seems that the Venture Co. dug a tunnel from Undermine to Azj'Kahet.

[Makorus]

This will continue as long as it is also the one and only reason for them making the character look like they do.

"Black people only are in games for diversity!"

Yeah, as I said, gamers proving once again that they have a tendency to be racist

[Lady Atia]

So it seems that the Venture Co. dug a tunnel from Undermine to Azj'Kahet.

Surprise Surprise. Would actually be cool if they did a new train connecting both, I always liked the ironforge one and was mad they changed the Gorgrond one back in WoD alpha (but than still kept the dungeon and raidboss which made 0 sense haha).

[micwini]

"Black people only are in games for diversity!"

Yeah, as I said, gamers proving once again that they have a tendency to be racist

Yeah comments like this... Exactly what I mentioned earlier. Can't discuss it without being called A or B.
The quote you made is an observable fact, not a stance I have. As long as the fact is true, people will notice it, point it out and the endgoal of people who want ""ïnclusivity" will remain far out of sight.

Explain to me how this character's looks make sense within the existing framework of Warcraft lore.

[Santandame]

Well, all but confirmed we’re getting Undermine then. It was the last chance for it.

It’s bittersweet. I’m happy we’re finally getting it. I’m disappointed it wasn’t its own expansion levelling zone or capital city, as it should have been. So much potential that’s sadly going to remain a what if.

I’m excited to see what we do get of it, though.

I do find it slightly strange that we finally get an underground expansion and we don’t get the most well known underground lore location as a levelling zone or the capital of the expansion though. Instead we get an Earthen capital city and zones like The Ringing Depths instead.

[Enrif]

Imagine backpedaling this hard. You absolutely were against it being Azeroth.

I was against it on the assumption that the world soul is a titan. If Azeroth is a light being, which could be true or not, it would align with my hypothesis that the radiant song and the themes of light and dark for tww and midnight are not a coincidences. Nothing of that is backpaddling

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The cope for a plot twist is so strong.

What twist?

[Nymrohd]

Well, all but confirmed we’re getting Undermine then. It was the last chance for it.

It’s bittersweet. I’m happy we’re finally getting it. I’m disappointed it wasn’t its own expansion levelling zone or capital city, as it should have been. So much potential that’s sadly going to remain a what if.

I’m excited to see what we do get of it, though.

To be specific, the Venture Co. say they tunneled to Azj'Kahet and then their boss says they are from Undermine. So I guess it could mean she is originally from there but didn't come from there but I doubt it. I do wonder where the zone would be placed. Maybe the tunnel goes beneath Ringing Depths and the zone is on the east area of the map which is now empty.

[Dracullus]

So it seems that the Venture Co. dug a tunnel from Undermine to Azj'Kahet.

What's source? Short story? Beta?

I wonder if we will have Kezan ruined surface if Undermine will be a thing. Especially since Motherlode dungeon in rotation is easy bet.

[Zardas]

Wrathion definitely isn't coded as black...

What the fuck does that even means ?

[Makorus]

Yeah comments like this... Exactly what I mentioned earlier. Can't discuss it without being called A or B.
The quote you made is an observable fact, not a stance I have. As long as the fact is true, people will notice it, point it out and the endgoal of people who want ""ïnclusivity" will remain far out of sight.

Explain to me how this character's looks make sense within the existing framework of Warcraft lore.

You are saying a black person can't exist without being a quota filler, which kind of implies that no one would ever decide to make a character black instead of the "normal white".

As long as the fact is true, people will notice it, point it out and the endgoal of people who want ""ïnclusivity" will remain far out of sight.

Go on, tell us what this "endgoal" is. Throw the alt-right talking points at me!

Explain to me how this character's looks make sense within the existing framework of Warcraft lore.