The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

No. It means the cosmic forces aren't neatly divided into their own little boxes and can't go out of them. Like someone else said: Cosmic forces are dipping into eachother, mostly the ones they are most closely related with. Most prominent example being the Legion using Fel, Shadow/void and fire. It makes sense too. If I could manipulate light, that means I could also manipulate shadow, seeing they are polar opposites. The patterns make sense.

That just means "the magics of the forces can combine and connect". Again, the Arathi are saying shit only to come to the exact same conclusion q

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Powers exist, magics of said powers intersect and connect.

Simple as that.

[Gurahk]

Kinda funny to think about, if all the Zandalari stuff happens after all of KT that means the horde attacked Brennadam not because they were already fighting the alliance in the area but as a straight up land grab/just for the slaughter.

And then Rexxar comes along and acts like it’s Jiana in the wrong like an absolute tool.

Was Brennadam mentioned in the chronicles? Because I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be a Quillboar invasion but was changed to a Horde one at the last second.

[Varodoc]

As a remainder, nothing in Chronicles contradicts the Horde's massacre at Brennadam, as it is part of the Alliance levelling storyline, not the Horde.

Chronicles confirms that the order of Kul Tiras is Stormsong Valley > Drustvar > Tiragarde Sound. Therefore, the Horde's massacre at Brennadam Canonically happens early on into the Kul Tiran storyline.

So if you thought that Chronicles would absolve the Horde of the massacre they conducted at Brennadam... well... guess again. This is very much still Canon, and a stain (amongst many) of the Horde.




Chronicles simply confirms that the Horde massacre at Brennadam is simply one of the "opening acts" of the War in Kul Tiras, as the Canonical order is Stormsong Valley > Drustvar > Tiragarde > Zandalar.

[The-Shan]

did they change the burning of teldrassil at all? like elaborate on HOW the catapults were able to do that?

[huth]

No. It means the cosmic forces aren't neatly divided into their own little boxes and can't go out of them. Like someone else said: Cosmic forces are dipping into eachother, mostly the ones they are most closely related with. Most prominent example being the Legion using Fel, Shadow/void and fire. It makes sense too. If I could manipulate light, that means I could also manipulate shadow, seeing they are polar opposites. The patterns make sense.

Which we've known about for years. This isn't news. The joke is the sesquipedalian locaciousness and arrogance of the writer, not the content.

[Joshuaj]

So...whenever I talk about the First Ones now, I guess I have to call them "Light" "Shadow" "Order", etc?

[Monkal]

That bfa stuff such a shit show.

YES!! I don't get how they allow someone with such a hate-boner for the Horde write how BFA went! That expansion is already so divisive because of choices the story team made at the time and then they go and DOUBLE DOWN on the "Horde bad" beat to the point of making the plot nonsensical.

Which we've known about for years. This isn't news. The joke is the sesquipedalian locaciousness and arrogance of the writer, not the content.

...That's clearly meant to be written in a tongue-in-cheek tone because the titanforge are big nerds? I swear to god some people on this forum act like Blizzard is after them or smth.

[Varodoc]

Chronicles IV hasn't done anything to make the Horde look worse than BfA already did years ago.

The decision to make Brann and the Alliance's role in Uldir Canon is just a bone thrown at the Alliance, which previously felt very disconnected from that raid's storyline.

Go back in time and you will see many complaints about how the Alliance "felt out of place" in Uldir. Chronicles simply rectified that mistake, one of the many mistakes of the BfA expansion, which was evidently Horde-centric.

[Cheezits]

So this new Hearthstone card reminded me that Talanji basically hits every element of Midnight, in some way.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSpDHV9a...jpg&name=large

-Queen that the Amani submit to
-Former Holy (Rezan) Priestess
-Now Death (Bwonsamdi) Priestess (which may play a part in the fight against the Scourge that could happen)
-History of dealing with Old God/Void forces

Like she arguably fits the expansion more than Lor'themar and Vereesa do.

[Varodoc]

So this new Hearthstone card reminded me that Talanji basically hits every element of Midnight, in some way.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSpDHV9a...jpg&name=large

-Queen that the Amani submit to
-Former Holy (Rezan) Priestess
-Now Death (Bwonsamdi) Priestess (which may play a part in the fight against the Scourge that could happen)
-History of dealing with Old God/Void forces

Like she arguably fits the expansion more than Lor'themar and Vereesa do.

This is really stretching it. No, I don't think that Talanji will be important in Midnight at all.

Frankly, I foresee Thrall returning as the Horde's main lead in Midnight. He is after all the one who banished Deathwing, one of the Void's foremost servants, and the one who accepted the Blood Elves into the Horde. Oh, and he was also the warchief when the Horde (and ONLY the Horde) raided Zul Aman in TBC.

[huth]

...That's clearly meant to be written in a tongue-in-cheek tone because the titanforge are big nerds? I swear to god some people on this forum act like Blizzard is after them or smth.

The in-universe writer. Not whoever at Blizzard wrote the text.

[Monkal]

The in-universe writer. Not whoever at Blizzard wrote the text.

Oh okay, sorry for the misunderstanding XD

[Enrif]

So...whenever I talk about the First Ones now, I guess I have to call them "Light" "Shadow" "Order", etc?

i think the "actual" names might be what Saezurah (https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Saezurah) says: Mortis. Lumen. Ordus. Vitae. Umbra. Tumult.

[Joshuaj]

i think the "actual" names might be what Saezurah (https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Saezurah) says: Mortis. Lumen. Ordus. Vitae. Umbra. Tumult.

Hmm...maybe?

Idk though

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Imma just go with what Chronicle says for now.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Enough preamble! Let's get to the fun part! Logic proofs. Let us start with a foundational equation:
Phi(M1, M2) = k* (Sigma(C1+ C2 + ... + Cn) + Sigma(D1 + D2 + ... + Dn))
<The rest of this tome consists of 627 more pages of symbolic logic and their proofs. Broken up by the occasional anecdote about mage tower hijinx, the debunking of a historical myth, or a truly terrible dad pun.>"

Honestly, it's a significantly better position than what they have currently. I hope this isn't just a misguided jab at people rightfully bitching about the cosmic chart but an actual implication as to how the system really works.

[Jaggler]

Honestly, it's a significantly better position than what they have currently. I hope this isn't just a misguided jab at people rightfully bitching about the cosmic chart but an actual implication as to how the system really works.

I don't think so.

The cosmic chart etc. is something out of universe, it's not something your average joe knows. It would be weird if some random researcher would reveal how the cosmic forces interact etc. While the cosmic Chart is the view from outside in, this book is what it would look like from the inside out with very little context.

[Lady Atia]

i think the "actual" names might be what Saezurah (https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Saezurah) says: Mortis. Lumen. Ordus. Vitae. Umbra. Tumult.

Now that I think about it ... the "Sepulcher of the First Ones" suddenly sounds quite literate haha.

[Super Dickmann]

As palatable as that justification is, it happens to bring up the classic Blizzard problem of raising more questions—namely, did the massive, notably non-Death-related factory just spontaneously generate in the Shadowlands as the Boltzmann Brain with the lowest IQ on record?

The robots are an emergent phenomenon, like the lifeforms that build up in that little jar in your fridge that you forgot about because it was hidden by other things. Before long they're producing advanced technology and telling you how only they can stop What Is To Come (TM).

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The cosmic chart etc. is something out of universe, it's not something your average joe knows. It would be weird if some random researcher would reveal how the cosmic forces interact etc. While the cosmic Chart is the view from outside in, this book is what it would look like from the inside out with very little context.

If that proves true, it's a bit amusing how much more interesting and consistent with pre-Chronicles lore the misconception is than the fully compartmentalized six-pronged chart. Actually touches on the only remotely interesting part of the Shadowlands cosmology also, since it actually can be considered divine geometry in any capacity.

The robots are an emergent phenomenon, like the lifeforms that build up in that little jar in your fridge that you forgot about because it was hidden by other things. Before long they're producing advanced technology and telling you how only they can stop What Is To Come (TM).

All perfectly acceptable. At the very least, the idea of Zereth Mortis just being a kind of introspection or self-realization of the metaphysical force of Death that happens to manifest as a factory floating in the aether is much more interesting than "duh titens but BEEG!!!" and does something to make the cosmology feel more transcendent and alien while also leaving room for the expression of different forces to be anything more than "funni aliens with [associated color] in leveling zones". And here I was worried any attempts at fixing the cosmology would sum to slapping band-aids on neck stumps.

[Reive]

this is what i want from wow: less main narrative about the azeroth version of the avengers and more side quests/world building. the devs are not good at telling long stories, so they should not focus on them