The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

One of the Earthen NPCs in Stormwind talks about working in the forge for "hundreds of millennia" ... these guys are absurdly ancient. Almost seems like an error.

There seems to be a set number of Earthen. They talk about making new Earthen in questlines & when you get the machine that makes Earthen up & running & unlock the allied race, the starting questline talk about how each new Earthen is simply an old Earthen given a new body. So they're functionally immortal in a completely-bypasses-the-shadowlands kind of way. Although that's strange because they have monuments that serve as epitaphs to Earthen.

Seems like the actual "essence" of an Earthen is a core crystal that can be installed into a new Earthen, but if that gets destroyed they're actually dead.

[Jolly Roger]

so Xal tries to make alleria her vessel and instead gets absorbed which makes alleria go a bit loony.

midnight is caused by alleria inadvertantly and we get to handle void incursions. Alleria will die and Arator will take his place as the child of light and shadow.

the last titan will have illidaniel return and Anduin marry Arthas's neice which will trigger half the fanbase providing more entertainment than the betrayal of the titans

[Cheezits]

There seems to be a set number of Earthen. They talk about making new Earthen in questlines & when you get the machine that makes Earthen up & running & unlock the allied race, the starting questline talk about how each new Earthen is simply an old Earthen given a new body. So they're functionally immortal in a completely-bypasses-the-shadowlands kind of way. Although that's strange because they have monuments that serve as epitaphs to Earthen.

Seems like the actual "essence" of an Earthen is a core crystal that can be installed into a new Earthen, but if that gets destroyed they're actually dead.

I mean that aligns with how there are no ghosts of Titan constructs, they don't have actual souls. The titans can be reduced into their constellation forms but the constructs don't work that way.

When a construct gets "curse of flesh"d that is when they start having a soul for whatever reason.

[Foolicious]

That's new. Sargeras Sword did have an effect afterall. Are these the echoes we fight in the pre-patch? So they come from Sargeras, not from Azeroth?

Interesting wording. So azerite isn't just azeroths blood, but enriched with energies from the sword?

Yes, and until now there was no apparent effect from that energy. That gives me a thought, nothing we have seen in TWW really deals with the sword as of yet, even though it was a pretty big center piece for the cinematic reveal. Whatever other patches we might get, the tip of the sword must be somewhere in it to make sense.

It's mentioned that the crystal in hallowfall turned dark the day sargeras plunged the sword into the world. They start to build up a storyline there.

[Ersula]

I mean that aligns with how there are no ghosts of Titan constructs, they don't have actual souls. The titans can be reduced into their constellation forms but the constructs don't work that way.

When a construct gets "curse of flesh"d that is when they start having a soul for whatever reason.

Or the soul is just in the gem core. That makes more sense than millions of souls just popping into existence when the Curse of Flesh happened.

so Xal tries to make alleria her vessel and instead gets absorbed which makes alleria go a bit loony.

midnight is caused by alleria inadvertantly and we get to handle void incursions. Alleria will die and Arator will take his place as the child of light and shadow.

The Child of Light & Shadow doesn't matter anymore. It was illidan & he did wat the Naaru's prophesy did. Or you mean the Vrykul prophesy which was Anduin. How stupid was it that two completely unrelated prophecies used the same nomenclature?

[Cheezits]

Or the soul is just in the gem core. That makes more sense than millions of souls just popping into existence when the Curse of Flesh happened.

Wasn't the Argus/Arbiter explosion because his soul wasn't supposed to go there in the first place? I think the Titans have something set up which means they circumvent ghosts entirely.

Void creating Life is not really out of the question.

[Ersula]

Wasn't the Argus/Arbiter explosion because his soul wasn't supposed to go there in the first place? I think the Titans have something set up which means they circumvent ghosts entirely.

Void creating Life is not really out of the question.

Sure, but then they'd have to reckon with the Earthen being the one playable race that doesn't have a soul. There is going to eventually be some raid mechanic or story contrivance that will make the devs go "Earthen have souls." Farseer Earthen have Ancestor spirits, for example.

[Samin]

What exactly is interesting here?

Implication of expanding Orgrimmar especially towards the sea with stronger industrial presence and a harbor/port

[Foolicious]

Implication of expanding Orgrimmar especially towards the sea with stronger industrial presence and a harbor/port

Did someone show the earthen azshara and bilgewater harbor? Kind of unnecessary to build a second harbor for ogrimmar imo.

[Cheezits]

Sure, but then they'd have to reckon with the Earthen being the one playable race that doesn't have a soul. There is going to eventually be some raid mechanic or story contrivance that will make the devs go "Earthen have souls." Farseer Earthen have Ancestor spirits, for example.

I didn't consider the Veil death runback, but then again it is just gameplay over lore. Only DH's have the lore reason for why they never ever truly die (I am not counting the "Valkyr Spirit Healers & Kyrian don't bring back the PC because it's not their time" as concrete lore)

[Makorus]

Did someone show the earthen azshara and bilgewater harbor? Kind of unnecessary to build a second harbor for ogrimmar imo.

I mean, lorewise, Bilgewater Harbour is not two minutes away from Orgrimmar.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Kind of a weird question/thought... do you think Blizzard will add your Hero Spec title to your character's tooltip?

When you click on or over over a friendly player:

Bigchungus
<Dead Meme>
80 Tauren Farseer/Totemic Restoration Shaman

Personally, I think it would be a cool addition. Especially for players who are not 100% aware of all of the Hero Spec names and encountering a random player in the world with a certain Hero Spec may incentivize to play another class.

[Gurahk]

What exactly is interesting here?

Hints of revamp and more industrial architecture. Also BRF namedropped, which is neat.

[allegrian]

I was looking forward to making an earthen warrior main alt for TWW but their customization options are quite underwhelming compared to normal dwarves(cant choose moustache + beard separately, too much focus on gems that will be covered by armor...), as well as their racials... Should I just go with normal dwarf warrior?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Rather than the canyon mountains deleted wholesale and replaced by more generic docks and piers like we have already seen in Stormwind/Boralus/Zandalar, I think it would be more unique if instead cavern spaces were excavated inside the canyon mountains so the Horde could have internal cavern docks (which would make the Horde's navy protected from aerial bombardment by Dalaran and Alliance airships, which made it to the Siege of Orgrimmar unimpeded), like the Iron Maidens area inside BRF. Though, adding that onto the current layout of Cata Orgrimmar would make for an increasingly incoherent city. It might be better to just redesign the entire city zone from the ground up.

[huth]

I didn't consider the Veil death runback, but then again it is just gameplay over lore. Only DH's have the lore reason for why they never ever truly die (I am not counting the "Valkyr Spirit Healers & Kyrian don't bring back the PC because it's not their time" as concrete lore)

The DH thing is because they have a Demon soul, which means their soul is Disorder sourced rather than a standard mortal soul. The same could apply to the Earthen with Order.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Hints of revamp and more industrial architecture. Also BRF namedropped, which is neat.

Retvrn to Garrosh. Correct the mistake.

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Rather than the canyon mountains deleted wholesale and replaced by more generic docks and piers like we have already seen in Stormwind/Boralus/Zandalar, I think it would be more unique if instead cavern spaces were excavated inside the canyon mountains so the Horde could have internal cavern docks (which would make the Horde's navy protected from aerial bombardment by Dalaran and Alliance airships, which made it to the Siege of Orgrimmar unimpeded), like the Iron Maidens area inside BRF. Though, adding that onto the current layout of Cata Orgrimmar would make for an increasingly incoherent city. It might be better to just redesign the entire city zone from the ground up.

Cool idea. I'm all for it.

[Xilurm]

What exactly is interesting here?

Even more hints towards a Northern Kalimdor Revamp.

[Jolly Roger]

Or the soul is just in the gem core. That makes more sense than millions of souls just popping into existence when the Curse of Flesh happened.
The Child of Light & Shadow doesn't matter anymore. It was illidan & he did wat the Naaru's prophesy did. Or you mean the Vrykul prophesy which was Anduin. How stupid was it that two completely unrelated prophecies used the same nomenclature?

the whispers and prophecies are unsolved until they are explicitly said to be solved in the game or a book

[Alanar]

Implication of expanding Orgrimmar especially towards the sea with stronger industrial presence and a harbor/port

I see, I just saw it as.. we will maybe get an extra forge in OG and them founding common ground with the Maghar orcs.

I didn't read much more on that tbh.