The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Zardas]

Which, I mean... let's be real, did you need Chronicles IV to figure that out?

MoP, WoD, and Legion were Garrosh's fault. BfA and SL were Sylvanas' fault. This was obvious long before Chronicles IV confirmed it once again.

Yeah, the game would be pretty boring without our glorious Horde.

[Ersula]

Oh look, "colonize", one of the buzzwords of the Millennial generation.

Anyway, the Alliance did not "colonize" an "ancient pandaren temple", they occupied an abandoned mogu fortress.

Imagine if a foreign nation started moving into Detroit because it was "abandoned." That would still be colonization. That mogu fortress is literally 30 feet from a Pandarian town, double that distance from the literal capital of Pandaria.

[Alanar]

Speak for yourself. I care and I take it seriously and I find the "changes" (more like confirmations) made to BfA both creative and unique.

Maybe for a select few I guess, but it simply doesn't matter anymore.

[milkmustache]

That's actually so lame...

Is it? The main storylines for the past 2 expansions have been pretty hefty duds, while the side stories are lauded. Leveling/questing is clearly a minority interest in WoW nowadays, so rushing the MSQ a bit and allowing lore interest to be spread through zone local quests that are optional and reward things like cosmetics or just for lore enjoyment is a nice compromise considering we'll never return to Vanilla-adjacent questing in the game.

Anyway-- anyone think yesterday's update pushed to today could be our music build??

[huth]

Imagine if a foreign nation started moving into Detroit because it was "abandoned." That would still be colonization. That mogu fortress is literally 30 feet from a Pandarian town, double that distance from the literal capital of Pandaria.

Imagine a foreign nation building a military camp in some abandoned ruins of a long dead nation. Because that's what it actually resembles.

There's certainly issues with it, but colonisation isn't even on the list.

[Varodoc]

A long-dead civilization of pure evil slavers that actively enslaved the continent's current rulers who shouldn't feel any sympathy whatsoever.

Defending the Mogu Empire... it has truly come to this.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

In a massive win for all in-universe text Chronicle believers, there's a page where it says that "Uther met the players". Hopefully we'll see this new replacement for 'champions' more in TWW, perhaps in an address by Queen Calia.

Does it really use the word players? Man I thought using class for the order halls was bad but that’s some next level lazy/lack of care.

[Joshuaj]

So...based off what I read, would the First Ones be akin to Yog-Sothoth but for WoW? The forces we see in the cosmology chart are basically extensions of them.

[Ersula]

Imagine a foreign nation building a military camp in some abandoned ruins of a long dead nation. Because that's what it actually resembles.

There's certainly issues with it, but colonisation isn't even on the list.

Pretty sure the Pandarians would consider Pandaria a Pandarian nation, actually. Like I said, there are Panda settlements everywhere, in direct vicinity to where the Alliance landed. It's textbook colonization.

A long-dead civilization of pure evil slavers that actively enslaved the continent's current rulers who shouldn't feel any sympathy whatsoever.

Defending the Mogu Empire... it has truly come to this.

Nobody said this. Pandaria is Pandarian. We're talking about how according to Chronicles 4, THIS happened before the Horde attacked the Alliance.

[Khaza-R]

Pretty sure the Pandarians would consider Pandaria a Pandarian nation, actually. Like I said, there are Panda settlements everywhere, in direct vicinity to where the Alliance landed. It's textbook colonization.

You're confusing imperialism with colonization.

Neither the Alliance or Horde appeared to have build any installations on Pandaria with the intention of permanently re-settling citizens there. Their involvement was military control and to ultimately exploit Pandaria for its resources.

[Ersula]

You're confusing imperialism with colonization.

Neither the Alliance or Horde appeared to have build any installations on Pandaria with the intention of permanently re-settling citizens there. Their involvement was military control and to ultimately exploit Pandaria for its resources.

Yeah but that's worse. You get how that's worse, right? Colonization & Imperialism are just two, very similar, kinds of colonialism.

[Raetary]

Why is it that everytime the faction discourse(tm) pops up this thread gets turned into a 4chan board?

[Varodoc]

Pretty sure the Pandarians would consider Pandaria a Pandarian nation, actually. Like I said, there are Panda settlements everywhere, in direct vicinity to where the Alliance landed. It's textbook colonization.
Nobody said this. Pandaria is Pandarian. We're talking about how according to Chronicles 4, THIS happened before the Horde attacked the Alliance.

Can you link something of use instead? Like for instance the scan from Chronicles IV stating this?

[Joshuaj]

Don't make me take out Chronicle 4 on y'all...

[Khaza-R]

Yeah but that's worse. You get how that's worse, right? Colonization & Imperialism are just two, very similar, kinds of colonialism.

No, they aren't.

You literally can't have colonization without settlers taking over an area of another country. Which didn't happen in Pandaria or wasn't depicted. A military installation is not a colony.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Oh, how I wish unironic factionposting were prohibited.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Oh, how I wish unironic factionposting were prohibited.

It's always only the same handful of posters who derail shit into semantical circle-jerks about topics.

[Timester]

No, they aren't.

You literally can't have colonization without settlers taking over an area of another country. Which didn't happen in Pandaria or wasn't depicted. A military installation is not a colony.

Actually, you just defined the Portuguese Age of Discovery type of colonization on Africa and Asia.

Anywho, why are we talking about 6.0 content on a 10.0 thread? That's why I'm so glad faction war is gone.

[milkmustache]

I really hope the string/wind instrument used prominently in the TWW Theme around 1:25 is mainly associated with Hallowfall and the Arathi. When they talk about "the next X years of Warcraft", it really feels like the Arathi, Avaloren, and their entire empire have a solid stake in that. I would hate for this portion of the theme to be isolated to TWW.

[micwini]

Hey, atleast with TBC they have the excuse of it being the first expansion. Sure they wasted a lot of characters there but they made up for that thanks to Chronicles, Legion and Shadowlands. More often than not, retcons ARE good.

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But again, we literally saw that with Shadowlands? Bastion was dipping into arcane and holy juice, Revendreth uses blood magic and Ardenweald magic is just the other side of the coin of life magic. They even had a quest basically telling us that necromancy f.e. can be done by any cosmic force, it's not limited to "death magic".

Exactly this. Good examples too. It also thankfully helps to prevent questions like "why burning legion use void magic".