The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makabreska]

What grinds my gears is that sometimes these Hero Talents force less customization. At least for Elemental Shaman, if you pick Far Seer then you have to pick the "fire build" talents, and if you pick Stormbringer, you have to pick the "storm build" talents. I will never understand why these were not just cosmetic options, so players could continue to pick the talents they want.

Because peeps also want new talents/abilities going into next xpac, as shown with complains we had that 2-3 expansions in a row didn't add anything. And adding them in a separate, smaller tree wont screw over main section.

[Lady Atia]

You're thinking of when spirit caused the elemental lords to come to life, but that's not "becoming flesh" because the elemental lords aren't made of flesh. This isn't even a thing because we know Tyr has a soul because he could be resurrected. The Earthen have souls, they have ancestor spirits when in the Farseer hero talent tree.

Yeah, no clue why we have to argue about this tbh. If our earthen wouldn't have souls, how would they come back from death via spirithealers (who are canon)? Or are they just auto hardcore chars lorewise? xD

[Cheezits]

Hero talents really feel like they needed something to call a feature for marketing. Almost all of them could have been put into the normal talent tree and it wouldn't make a difference. Put black arrow in the bm tree and you feel just like the dark ranger with 11 points spend in the hero tree.

The problem is that this expansion doesn't have a lot of new features so they were forced to punch up the talents in marketing. When in reality they are just new talent trees.

If they were so worried about TWW being light on features they should've marketed more about Midnight, IMO. Or marketed more about future patches instead of being coy and cutesy about Harronir (unless that is why they allowed them to be datamined, to reveal them without revealing them)

[Ersula]

Spirit and souls are not the same thing. Spirit is part of all life but not every thing thing at is alive has a a soul.

I didn't claim that: You did. You made a post claiming the curse of flesh gave people souls. Then you replied to me refuting that with a connection between spirit & the curse of flesh. Both my claims were that the connections you're drawing are irrelevant because the Earthen have souls, demonstrably.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I didn't claim that: You did. You made a post claiming the curse of flesh gave people souls. Then you replied to me refuting that with a connection between spirit & the curse of flesh. Both my claims were that the connections you're drawing are irrelevant because the Earthen have souls, demonstrably.

I’ve never mentioned the curse of flesh what are you on about.

[Skildar]

when beta started and ppl asked about the addon and his response was "im not going to because its pointless" his mods were saying "anyone who complains should be grateful because they provide it for free" then when the fix towellie showed was being shared he refused to let it be linked because "its not an official fix" then "its an addon to fix other addons thats stupid"

whoah I'm glad you've shared this. It's quite dizzying to be faced with this kind of attitude.

[huth]

Spirit and souls are not the same thing. Spirit is part of all life but not every thing thing at is alive has a a soul.

As far as we are aware, it does. It's just not always a mortal soul.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

As far as we are aware, it does. It's just not always a mortal soul.

I mean spirit is in every thing a tree a bush a flower, Mabye it’s touched on in some Druid content or book but I’m pretty sure there isn’t a que for the processing of birch trees in the Sl or any other plain.

[Ersula]

I mean spirit is in every thing a tree a bush a flower, Mabye it’s touched on in some Druid content or book but I’m pretty sure there isn’t a que for the processing of birch trees in the Sl or any other plain.

Not necessarily. Stoneborn require Anima to come to life, but they ostensibly don't have souls. They are only extensions of whomever made them.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Not necessarily. Stoneborn require Anima to come to life, but they ostensibly don't have souls. They are only extensions of whomever made them.

People and things in the Sl aren’t alive it’s the realm of death….

[Santandame]

Surely Xal’atath’s words that the world soul has long eluded her suggests she’s more likely to be a void lord than just a lieutenant of one?

[Chickat]

Nah it's pointless with 476 people all bosses fall on your sight.

Ah ok. I just hit 70, spent all my bronze and got to 400ilev.

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Was fixed in a day or so. Though the scaling was on the mob side and made them stronger than they should have been.

Ah, I just saw people talking about it and wondered if I should do it since I just started getting serious.

[Cheezits]

Surely Xal’atath’s words that the world soul has long eluded her suggests she’s more likely to be a void lord than just a lieutenant of one?

I think it's going to end up being that the Black Empire wanted to do something different to the World Soul than Xal and Dimensius (who may just want to eat/consume it). So the BE put Xal in the dagger so she couldn't rat on them to the Void Lords.

[huth]

Ah ok. I just hit 70, spent all my bronze and got to 400ilev.

By the time you've fully upgraded your gear, you'll be soloing most raids on normal and at least some bosses on HC. And still only take slightly longer than in LFR.

SoO solo is impossible though. They undid the Galakras change that made it possible to down him with one cannon.

[Foolicious]

I think it's going to end up being that the Black Empire wanted to do something different to the World Soul than Xal and Dimensius (who may just want to eat/consume it). So the BE put Xal in the dagger so she couldn't rat on them to the Void Lords.

N'zoth releasing her from the dagger speaks against this theory, but i still kind of agree. Xal said that the titans didn't understand the void and most of what we know about the black empire is at least to some part manipulated by the keepers or titans themself. It wouldn't suprise me if the nature of the old gods and voidlords will be changed somewhat in the next expansions.

[Jolly Roger]

whoah I'm glad you've shared this. It's quite dizzying to be faced with this kind of attitude.

honestly not the craziest thing from this week lol

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N'zoth releasing her from the dagger speaks against this theory, but i still kind of agree. Xal said that the titans didn't understand the void and most of what we know about the black empire is at least to some part manipulated by the keepers or titans themself. It wouldn't suprise me if the nature of the old gods and voidlords will be changed somewhat in the next expansions.

nzoth is merely a schemer
Xal made a deal that she would deliver us and the dagger to nzoth in exchange for her freedom and thays a great deal

give her a decade in game and unchecked movement....shes finally a threat

[Chickat]

By the time you've fully upgraded your gear, you'll be soloing most raids on normal and at least some bosses on HC. And still only take slightly longer than in LFR.

SoO solo is impossible though. They undid the Galakras change that made it possible to down him with one cannon.

I dont really care about mythic tbh. I just want to be high enough to do heroic world tours. Not sure what ilev that is. Managed to get my stuff inbetween 416 and 430 today so ill probably be average 440 something tomorrow.

[Dracullus]

I dont really care about mythic tbh. I just want to be high enough to do heroic world tours. Not sure what ilev that is. Managed to get my stuff inbetween 416 and 430 today so ill probably be average 440 something tomorrow.

You are geared enough to not die on every corner and slow down group. Just make group on finder and invite high people (there will be a lot 476 in queue). As I said, raids will fall faster than Sepulcher transmog runs in DF.

World tour every day (just HC raids) + dailies will give you little bit over 110k bronze. So if you are uncomfortable when people boost you it will be just 1-2 days, one tier of gear upgrade is like 40k.

Before that you can clear all achievs, all give bronze caches and now you will profit from double drop. And when you reach 476, Mythic SoO is very easy too, just little bit longer than HC (with same bronze rewards), so people don't really farm as often.

[Joshuaj]

I'd really prefer if they revamped Silvermoon and other cities before Orgrimmar..

Oh man...

this is funny

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Kinda can't avoid doing Silvermoon in Midnight.

Not to mention that the city's canonically being rebuilt. Meaning I wouldn't be surprised if it was our Neutral hub.

[Dracullus]

I'm 99% sure about Silvermoon hub too, but let's not jinx it, my biggest fear is that they will put together some troll Amani hub and Silvermoon will be Void Suramar xD.