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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    You're thinking of when spirit caused the elemental lords to come to life, but that's not "becoming flesh" because the elemental lords aren't made of flesh. This isn't even a thing because we know Tyr has a soul because he could be resurrected. The Earthen have souls, they have ancestor spirits when in the Farseer hero talent tree.
    Yeah, no clue why we have to argue about this tbh. If our earthen wouldn't have souls, how would they come back from death via spirithealers (who are canon)? Or are they just auto hardcore chars lorewise? xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    Hero talents really feel like they needed something to call a feature for marketing. Almost all of them could have been put into the normal talent tree and it wouldn't make a difference. Put black arrow in the bm tree and you feel just like the dark ranger with 11 points spend in the hero tree.
    The problem is that this expansion doesn't have a lot of new features so they were forced to punch up the talents in marketing. When in reality they are just new talent trees.

    If they were so worried about TWW being light on features they should've marketed more about Midnight, IMO. Or marketed more about future patches instead of being coy and cutesy about Harronir (unless that is why they allowed them to be datamined, to reveal them without revealing them)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Spirit and souls are not the same thing. Spirit is part of all life but not every thing thing at is alive has a a soul.
    I didn't claim that: You did. You made a post claiming the curse of flesh gave people souls. Then you replied to me refuting that with a connection between spirit & the curse of flesh. Both my claims were that the connections you're drawing are irrelevant because the Earthen have souls, demonstrably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I didn't claim that: You did. You made a post claiming the curse of flesh gave people souls. Then you replied to me refuting that with a connection between spirit & the curse of flesh. Both my claims were that the connections you're drawing are irrelevant because the Earthen have souls, demonstrably.
    I’ve never mentioned the curse of flesh what are you on about.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Roger View Post
    when beta started and ppl asked about the addon and his response was "im not going to because its pointless" his mods were saying "anyone who complains should be grateful because they provide it for free" then when the fix towellie showed was being shared he refused to let it be linked because "its not an official fix" then "its an addon to fix other addons thats stupid"
    whoah I'm glad you've shared this. It's quite dizzying to be faced with this kind of attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Spirit and souls are not the same thing. Spirit is part of all life but not every thing thing at is alive has a a soul.
    As far as we are aware, it does. It's just not always a mortal soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    As far as we are aware, it does. It's just not always a mortal soul.
    I mean spirit is in every thing a tree a bush a flower, Mabye it’s touched on in some Druid content or book but I’m pretty sure there isn’t a que for the processing of birch trees in the Sl or any other plain.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    I mean spirit is in every thing a tree a bush a flower, Mabye it’s touched on in some Druid content or book but I’m pretty sure there isn’t a que for the processing of birch trees in the Sl or any other plain.
    Not necessarily. Stoneborn require Anima to come to life, but they ostensibly don't have souls. They are only extensions of whomever made them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Not necessarily. Stoneborn require Anima to come to life, but they ostensibly don't have souls. They are only extensions of whomever made them.
    People and things in the Sl aren’t alive it’s the realm of death….
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Surely Xal’atath’s words that the world soul has long eluded her suggests she’s more likely to be a void lord than just a lieutenant of one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Nah it's pointless with 476 people all bosses fall on your sight.
    Ah ok. I just hit 70, spent all my bronze and got to 400ilev.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Was fixed in a day or so. Though the scaling was on the mob side and made them stronger than they should have been.
    Ah, I just saw people talking about it and wondered if I should do it since I just started getting serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    Surely Xal’atath’s words that the world soul has long eluded her suggests she’s more likely to be a void lord than just a lieutenant of one?
    I think it's going to end up being that the Black Empire wanted to do something different to the World Soul than Xal and Dimensius (who may just want to eat/consume it). So the BE put Xal in the dagger so she couldn't rat on them to the Void Lords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Ah ok. I just hit 70, spent all my bronze and got to 400ilev.
    By the time you've fully upgraded your gear, you'll be soloing most raids on normal and at least some bosses on HC. And still only take slightly longer than in LFR.

    SoO solo is impossible though. They undid the Galakras change that made it possible to down him with one cannon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I think it's going to end up being that the Black Empire wanted to do something different to the World Soul than Xal and Dimensius (who may just want to eat/consume it). So the BE put Xal in the dagger so she couldn't rat on them to the Void Lords.
    N'zoth releasing her from the dagger speaks against this theory, but i still kind of agree. Xal said that the titans didn't understand the void and most of what we know about the black empire is at least to some part manipulated by the keepers or titans themself. It wouldn't suprise me if the nature of the old gods and voidlords will be changed somewhat in the next expansions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    whoah I'm glad you've shared this. It's quite dizzying to be faced with this kind of attitude.
    honestly not the craziest thing from this week lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    N'zoth releasing her from the dagger speaks against this theory, but i still kind of agree. Xal said that the titans didn't understand the void and most of what we know about the black empire is at least to some part manipulated by the keepers or titans themself. It wouldn't suprise me if the nature of the old gods and voidlords will be changed somewhat in the next expansions.
    nzoth is merely a schemer
    Xal made a deal that she would deliver us and the dagger to nzoth in exchange for her freedom and thays a great deal

    give her a decade in game and unchecked movement....shes finally a threat

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    By the time you've fully upgraded your gear, you'll be soloing most raids on normal and at least some bosses on HC. And still only take slightly longer than in LFR.

    SoO solo is impossible though. They undid the Galakras change that made it possible to down him with one cannon.
    I dont really care about mythic tbh. I just want to be high enough to do heroic world tours. Not sure what ilev that is. Managed to get my stuff inbetween 416 and 430 today so ill probably be average 440 something tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    I dont really care about mythic tbh. I just want to be high enough to do heroic world tours. Not sure what ilev that is. Managed to get my stuff inbetween 416 and 430 today so ill probably be average 440 something tomorrow.
    You are geared enough to not die on every corner and slow down group. Just make group on finder and invite high people (there will be a lot 476 in queue). As I said, raids will fall faster than Sepulcher transmog runs in DF.

    World tour every day (just HC raids) + dailies will give you little bit over 110k bronze. So if you are uncomfortable when people boost you it will be just 1-2 days, one tier of gear upgrade is like 40k.

    Before that you can clear all achievs, all give bronze caches and now you will profit from double drop. And when you reach 476, Mythic SoO is very easy too, just little bit longer than HC (with same bronze rewards), so people don't really farm as often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    I'd really prefer if they revamped Silvermoon and other cities before Orgrimmar..
    Oh man...

    this is funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Kinda can't avoid doing Silvermoon in Midnight.
    Not to mention that the city's canonically being rebuilt. Meaning I wouldn't be surprised if it was our Neutral hub.

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    I'm 99% sure about Silvermoon hub too, but let's not jinx it, my biggest fear is that they will put together some troll Amani hub and Silvermoon will be Void Suramar xD.

  20. #74000
    It's heavily implied that both Spirit and Decay combining is what creates flesh. We're outright told that Spirit and Decay mingling inside of a soul is what creates Anima and in turn makes a soul mortal and binds it to the Shadowlands, and throughout the history of the game there are several references to flesh being the thing which turns titanforged mortal. The two possibilities from that are that either flesh is a result of Anima in the soul, or that flesh signifies that there's a soul to begin with and Anima is normal for titanforged. I find the latter very unlikely since we know that non-flesh-bound souls exist (see elementals, demons, etc.) and I doubt the titans are using Anima to power their servants. Also, Yogg-Saron, creator of the Curse of Flesh, is heavily associated with Death and the Galakrond fight showed a connection to Decay too (not that Death and Decay are very well separated most of the time).

    I don't think it's unlikely at all that every "living" being on Azeroth has a soul. Personally I think all souls come from the world soul and their splitting off and gaining independence is something to do with Light and Void interacting as explained in Chronicle--both the Light and Void are heavily associated with the mind, so their combination being what creates or splits and propagates consciousness isn't much of a stretch at all.

    The reason there aren't any titanforged ghosts and we didn't see any in the Shadowlands is because their souls contain no Anima and therefore either disappear forever when they die or are sent to the Realm of Order (the latter being the most likely since they would be imbued with Order magic).

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