The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Izalla]

I mean that aligns with how there are no ghosts of Titan constructs, they don't have actual souls. The titans can be reduced into their constellation forms but the constructs don't work that way.

When a construct gets "curse of flesh"d that is when they start having a soul for whatever reason.

Maybe flesh attracts spirit which builds up and forms a soul or something. Like Dust in His Dark Materials collecting around kids as they go through puberty.

[Teriz]

Finally got in the beta. Mainly to check Hero Talents and the Warband system.

Hero Talents are... meh. Visually, we will not notice most of them, there are some exceptions, but unless the cool effects are still yet to be implemented, they are barely noticeable. Most of them are passive, which is good, and I guess that while leveling it would be easier to get used to them, because in beta getting all of them at once seemed like I was not interacting with them at all, like, I did not know what was happening. Of what I am sure is that they are going to be a VERY important power boost for our characters. Some of them make mandatory that you pick some ''normal'' talents for your spec (for example, Bladestorm for Slayer Fury Warriors), which I do not know how to feel about.

Overall, I think that they are spending such a big effort for something difficult to balance, which we will probably forget about a month into the expansion, as we will get used to them pretty quickly and they are not very noticeable. I do not think that they are going to break the game or anything major, but as they are now, they are a mistake IMO. They could have been so much cooler if they just focused in making cosmetic stuff for our skills.

The Warband system is a letdown as it is right now. It has a lot of benefits, but for players like me that focus mainly on one character, it is not good enough to spend time in other characters. I was dissapointed to see so many achievements that still are not account-wide (for example, if I kill 20 players in a BG without dying, do I really need to do that again in another character? Who cares? I got the achievement, just make it account-wide, especially all the PvP and Dungeon and Raids related achievements).

Do not get me wrong, I am VERY hyped for TWW, but these two systems in particular are but a shadow of what they could have been. Hope that Delves do better, which honestly is the system that I am looking forward the most.

This is why I said the features in TWW are incredibly lacking. The new zones look good, and I'm sure the raids and dungeons will be excellent, but in terms of new features compared to DF, I'm honestly surprised.

[huth]

Does anyone know if the meta of deleting necks, rings etc in MoP remix over 400ilev is still a thing? Or did they fix it? Was a bug with scaling that made you a lot stronger if you didn't have them.

Was fixed in a day or so. Though the scaling was on the mob side and made them stronger than they should have been.

[Ersula]

This is why I said the features in TWW are incredibly lacking. The new zones look good, and I'm sure the raids and dungeons will be excellent, but in terms of new features compared to DF, I'm honestly surprised.

Delves & Hero Talents are way more impactful than a crafting system lifted from FFXIV, Dragonflying, which I like but a lot of friends who play don't like it, and a new class which most people won't even play more than a few minutes.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Maybe flesh attracts spirit which builds up and forms a soul or something. Like Dust in His Dark Materials collecting around kids as they go through puberty.

In chronicles it mentioned that spirit causes stone to turn to flesh so it might just be if you get X amount of spirit to settle in a Titan construct that spawns a soul and the turning to flesh is an after effect of said soul.

[Darkarath]

Delves & Hero Talents are way more impactful than a crafting system lifted from FFXIV, Dragonflying, which I like but a lot of friends who play don't like it, and a new class which most people won't even play more than a few minutes.

I am positive about Delves but their impact is yet to be seen. The impact of Hero Talents, as they are now, is going to be very small after the first month of the expansion, could even be negative, as many people may not enjoy them and be happy with how their class works ATM.

I agree with your opinion about professions, and I think that what happened with them is exactly what will happen with Hero Talents. Fun for a while and then completely forgotten.

I completely disagree with your take on Evokers, though. I am actually surprised about how many I have seen since day one of DF. Like, A LOT. Could be a thing limited to Spanish realms, but I doubt it.

Dragonflying is a super important and successful feature, and of course The Trading Post, without a doubt the most important feature added to WoW since Mythic +.

As it is now, it is a fact that TWW has less features than DF, and less impactful. But if Delves work well, and the evergreen Brawler's Guild which will come, plus, hopefully, a revamp of the Timewalking system, or whatever surprise they might have for us, I am positive about what TWW have in store.

I am confident that TWW's patches will be better than DF.

[Ersula]

In chronicles it mentioned that spirit causes stone to turn to flesh so it might just be if you get X amount of spirit to settle in a Titan construct that spawns a soul and the turning to flesh is an after effect of said soul.

You're thinking of when spirit caused the elemental lords to come to life, but that's not "becoming flesh" because the elemental lords aren't made of flesh. This isn't even a thing because we know Tyr has a soul because he could be resurrected. The Earthen have souls, they have ancestor spirits when in the Farseer hero talent tree.

[Raetary]

If Delves are rewarding then their addition should be pretty substantial.

I just hope that their gameplay will become more varied as they said, as besides the first one you get to do on IoD, the couple others i did were almost identical.

[Foolicious]

Finally got in the beta. Mainly to check Hero Talents and the Warband system.

Hero Talents are... meh. Visually, we will not notice most of them, there are some exceptions, but unless the cool effects are still yet to be implemented, they are barely noticeable. Most of them are passive, which is good, and I guess that while leveling it would be easier to get used to them, because in beta getting all of them at once seemed like I was not interacting with them at all, like, I did not know what was happening. Of what I am sure is that they are going to be a VERY important power boost for our characters. Some of them make mandatory that you pick some ''normal'' talents for your spec (for example, Bladestorm for Slayer Fury Warriors), which I do not know how to feel about.

Hero talents really feel like they needed something to call a feature for marketing. Almost all of them could have been put into the normal talent tree and it wouldn't make a difference. Put black arrow in the bm tree and you feel just like the dark ranger with 11 points spend in the hero tree.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You're thinking of when spirit caused the elemental lords to come to life, but that's not "becoming flesh" because the elemental lords aren't made of flesh. This isn't even a thing because we know Tyr has a soul because he could be resurrected. The Earthen have souls, they have ancestor spirits when in the Farseer hero talent tree.

No I’m talking about the death of the spore monds and how they released abunch of spirit that started turning the Gronn to flesh.

As far as Tyr goes we pretty much find a backup and download him into a new body there no soul stuff involved.

[Nathanyel]

In chronicles it mentioned that spirit causes stone to turn to flesh so it might just be if you get X amount of spirit to settle in a Titan construct that spawns a soul and the turning to flesh is an after effect of said soul.

Always liked the WotLK lore that the "Curse of Flesh" was just Old God propaganda, and actually a normal development for the "seed races", becoming more "of the planet" with emotional ties, turning into better protectors of the Wordsoul than the robotic Titanforged.

[Ersula]

No I’m talking about the death of the spore monds and how they released abunch of spirit that started turning the Gronn to flesh.

As far as Tyr goes we pretty much find a backup and download him into a new body there no soul stuff involved.

Either way it doesn't matter. Living rock is still already infused with spirit. That's what makes giants & elementals alive in the first place.

[Jolly Roger]

I didn't follow, what's the story?

when beta started and ppl asked about the addon and his response was "im not going to because its pointless" his mods were saying "anyone who complains should be grateful because they provide it for free" then when the fix towellie showed was being shared he refused to let it be linked because "its not an official fix" then "its an addon to fix other addons thats stupid"

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Either way it doesn't matter. Living rock is still already infused with spirit. That's what makes giants & elementals alive in the first place.

Spirit and souls are not the same thing. Spirit is part of all life but not every thing thing at is alive has a a soul.

[Futhark]

Hero talents really feel like they needed something to call a feature for marketing. Almost all of them could have been put into the normal talent tree and it wouldn't make a difference. Put black arrow in the bm tree and you feel just like the dark ranger with 11 points spend in the hero tree.

What grinds my gears is that sometimes these Hero Talents force less customization. At least for Elemental Shaman, if you pick Far Seer then you have to pick the "fire build" talents, and if you pick Stormbringer, you have to pick the "storm build" talents. I will never understand why these were not just cosmetic options, so players could continue to pick the talents they want.

[Makabreska]

What grinds my gears is that sometimes these Hero Talents force less customization. At least for Elemental Shaman, if you pick Far Seer then you have to pick the "fire build" talents, and if you pick Stormbringer, you have to pick the "storm build" talents. I will never understand why these were not just cosmetic options, so players could continue to pick the talents they want.

Because peeps also want new talents/abilities going into next xpac, as shown with complains we had that 2-3 expansions in a row didn't add anything. And adding them in a separate, smaller tree wont screw over main section.

[Lady Atia]

You're thinking of when spirit caused the elemental lords to come to life, but that's not "becoming flesh" because the elemental lords aren't made of flesh. This isn't even a thing because we know Tyr has a soul because he could be resurrected. The Earthen have souls, they have ancestor spirits when in the Farseer hero talent tree.

Yeah, no clue why we have to argue about this tbh. If our earthen wouldn't have souls, how would they come back from death via spirithealers (who are canon)? Or are they just auto hardcore chars lorewise? xD

[Cheezits]

Hero talents really feel like they needed something to call a feature for marketing. Almost all of them could have been put into the normal talent tree and it wouldn't make a difference. Put black arrow in the bm tree and you feel just like the dark ranger with 11 points spend in the hero tree.

The problem is that this expansion doesn't have a lot of new features so they were forced to punch up the talents in marketing. When in reality they are just new talent trees.

If they were so worried about TWW being light on features they should've marketed more about Midnight, IMO. Or marketed more about future patches instead of being coy and cutesy about Harronir (unless that is why they allowed them to be datamined, to reveal them without revealing them)

[Ersula]

Spirit and souls are not the same thing. Spirit is part of all life but not every thing thing at is alive has a a soul.

I didn't claim that: You did. You made a post claiming the curse of flesh gave people souls. Then you replied to me refuting that with a connection between spirit & the curse of flesh. Both my claims were that the connections you're drawing are irrelevant because the Earthen have souls, demonstrably.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I didn't claim that: You did. You made a post claiming the curse of flesh gave people souls. Then you replied to me refuting that with a connection between spirit & the curse of flesh. Both my claims were that the connections you're drawing are irrelevant because the Earthen have souls, demonstrably.

I’ve never mentioned the curse of flesh what are you on about.