The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiivar86]

we know that Alexstrasza is supposed to fall to some corruption.

Wait we do?

[Harbour]

So about 11.0.

I like K'aresh and playable Ethereals "leak" but no way Turalyon is going to be a villain.
Since his re-introduction he only show himself as competent and humble leader who only show tolerance.
But its obvious that with Turalyon being alive Anduin is literally useless because they take the same niche.
So Turalyon will certainly die.
How?
Simple.
Theme of 11.0 would be Light vs Void.
Light will be represented by Strong Female Character Y'rel.
Void will represented by Strong Female Character Alleria.
Alleria will go crazy like it was shown in 9.3 Visions.
How?
Y'rel will try to recruit Turalyon and Alliance, but he will refuse the call. She will kill him then Guldan vs Varian style.
That will make Alleria insane.
Thats the premise of 11.0.
In the end Sylvanas will help to bring Alleria back, and Y'rel will die, and the status quo will be restored.
Anduin will return and take the vacant throne obviously.

tldr Turalyon will die as a hero and that will kickstart the Alleria progress as vengeful Void Elf. Through her the Void will leak into Azeroth hence Void vs Light battle.

[loras]

So about 11.0.

I like K'aresh and playable Ethereals "leak" but no way Turalyon is going to be a villain.
Since his re-introduction he only show himself as competent and humble leader who only show tolerance.
But its obvious that with Turalyon being alive Anduin is literally useless because they take the same niche.
So Turalyon will certainly die.
How?
Simple.
Theme of 11.0 would be Light vs Void.
Light will be represented by Strong Female Character Y'rel.
Void will represented by Strong Female Character Alleria.
Alleria will go crazy like it was shown in 9.3 Visions.
How?
Y'rel will try to recruit Turalyon and Alliance, but he will refuse the call. She will kill him then Guldan vs Varian style.
That will make Alleria insane.
Thats the premise of 11.0.
In the end Sylvanas will help to bring Alleria back, and Y'rel will die, and the status quo will be restored.
Anduin will return and take the vacant throne obviously.

tldr Turalyon will die as a hero and that will kickstart the Alleria progress as vengeful Void Elf. Through her the Void will leak into Azeroth hence Void vs Light battle.

I could suspend disbelief right up until "Sylvanas".
Let her complete her eternal janitorial duty in peace.
(Also how would Sylv be of any help? The patron that granted her power is completely dead, she'd just be a regular irredeemably evil depressed dark ranger even if she returned).

[Harbour]

Oh, Sylvanas is just brainstorm idea i threw in. She may not even appear.
Main idea was that Turalyon wont be a villain. Opposite to that - i think Danuser will try to surprise us by how Turalyon came over his past prejudices and straight up btfo Y'rel with her proposal to join the Light Crusade by saying that the Light wasnt mean to control people but help them.
That will lead to his heroic death i think, that will trigger the whole expansion theme of the war against the Light Crusade and surely will make Alleria dive deeper into Void territories in her goal to avenge Turalyon.

[loras]

Oh, Sylvanas is just brainstorm idea i threw in. She may not even appear.
Main idea was that Turalyon wont be a villain. Opposite to that - i think Danuser will try to surprise us by how Turalyon came over his past prejudices and straight up btfo Y'rel with her proposal to join the Light Crusade by saying that the Light wasnt mean to control people but help them.
That will lead to his heroic death i think, that will trigger the whole expansion theme of the war against the Light Crusade and surely will make Alleria dive deeper into Void territories in her goal to avenge Turalyon.

Fair, that does sound like a suitable death and it could credibly set up Yrel and Alleria as villains to the alliance .

[Darkarath]

Oh, Sylvanas is just brainstorm idea i threw in. She may not even appear.
Main idea was that Turalyon wont be a villain. Opposite to that - i think Danuser will try to surprise us by how Turalyon came over his past prejudices and straight up btfo Y'rel with her proposal to join the Light Crusade by saying that the Light wasnt mean to control people but help them.
That will lead to his heroic death i think, that will trigger the whole expansion theme of the war against the Light Crusade and surely will make Alleria dive deeper into Void territories in her goal to avenge Turalyon.

I like this idea, honestly. It would be a fitting end to Turalyon, which has been one of the few consistent characters in the Warcraft universe.

To make his death more heroic, I would have him beat Yrel, but then Lightforged Garrosh comes, saves Yrel and kills Turalyon.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'd rather Turalyon die(If he must) we'd have to see him more involved first. Him dying to start off an expansion would be rough though I do salviate(Not literally) at the theme of the Light wasn't meant to control and it wasn't he was taught to believe and such.
Ok thats it, thats the post *Disappears coughing out covid ickies*

[Makabreska]

Wait we do?

No, we don't. It was only alluded to by the Faceless dude during Tyr quest line from last week. And we all know how they like to spew shit.

[Raetary]

I don't see Turalyon dying.

Alleria would be highly relevant due to Turalyons and the Lights involvement anyhow, so i don't get the need to make her go insane.
At least not that early.

Turalyon is the perfect candidate for some Naaru conversion therapy to happen.
Having the Naaru force the Light on him after resisting their influence, would be more than enough to establish them as a major threat and give the army of the Light a major foothold on Azeroth.

Basically what Xe'ra wanted to do to Illidan, but this time succeeding, and what they did to some of the Mag'har on Draenor.

[Skildar]

Wait we do?

during one of the recent questlines, we've witness in a vision of the past that Tyr was fighting Zakajz, a old gods lieutenant. The latter showed Tyr that all his dragon aspects were to "betray" order:
- Neltharion takes the name Deathwing and becomes a meme dragon
- Malygos becomes mad and wants to control who can wield arcane magic
- Ysera becomes corrupted by the nightmare
- Nozdormu falls to madness and renames Murozond
- Alexstrasza becomes corrupted but we aren't shown more

This was set thousands of years ago. It doesn't mean that Alexstrasza will remain corrupted as for Ysera it was merely a set back. But because all the other visions were true, it stands to take it as a certainty.

[Darkarath]

I mean, I would not care to kill Alexstrasza. It would certainly be a plot twist. The thing is that there is no Red Dragon to replace her. But she is so lame right now that It would be better to kill her off. In fact, I have several characters that need some killing (Thrall, Malfurion, Sylvanas, Tyrande...). These characters are living memes and the best contribution that they can do to the game is dying with some dignity.

[Makabreska]

I mean, I would not care to kill Alexstrasza. It would certainly be a plot twist. The thing is that there is no Red Dragon to replace her. But she is so lame right now that It would be better to kill her off. In fact, I have several characters that need some killing (Thrall, Malfurion, Sylvanas, Tyrande...). These characters are living memes and the best contribution that they can do to the game is dying with some dignity.

Hardly. The last uncorrupted/sane Aspect going bad is not a very big surprise.

[huth]

Hardly. The last uncorrupted/sane Aspect going bad is not a very big surprise.

The whole "kill off character" thing has also been overplayed in popculture lately.

And what point would there even be to killing Thrall and Sylvanas? They're out of the running anyway. That seems more like petty revenge than anything of relevance.

[micwini]

So about 11.0.

I like K'aresh and playable Ethereals "leak" but no way Turalyon is going to be a villain.
Since his re-introduction he only show himself as competent and humble leader who only show tolerance.
But its obvious that with Turalyon being alive Anduin is literally useless because they take the same niche.
So Turalyon will certainly die.
How?
Simple.
Theme of 11.0 would be Light vs Void.
Light will be represented by Strong Female Character Y'rel.
Void will represented by Strong Female Character Alleria.
Alleria will go crazy like it was shown in 9.3 Visions.
How?
Y'rel will try to recruit Turalyon and Alliance, but he will refuse the call. She will kill him then Guldan vs Varian style.
That will make Alleria insane.
Thats the premise of 11.0.
In the end Sylvanas will help to bring Alleria back, and Y'rel will die, and the status quo will be restored.
Anduin will return and take the vacant throne obviously.

tldr Turalyon will die as a hero and that will kickstart the Alleria progress as vengeful Void Elf. Through her the Void will leak into Azeroth hence Void vs Light battle.

What "leak" ?

[Foolicious]

This was set thousands of years ago. It doesn't mean that Alexstrasza will remain corrupted as for Ysera it was merely a set back. But because all the other visions were true, it stands to take it as a certainty.

Alextrasza is said to betray tyr. This doesn't mean she will become corrupted though. We still don't know much about tyr's real agenda and the aspect of exposition doesn't do her job this expansion, so its hard to say what this would mean. But i see a lot of people taking it as a fact that she will end up corrupted by the void when it could mean anything.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Profound revelations don't induce insanity. In fact, if they contradict your established world-view, you're likely to disregard them. Constant, low-key barely audible whispers in the back of your head? Sure can.

I stood, aghast, as a voice that was not my own spoke within my mind, cutting through my soul.

"lol were more powerful than u," spake the thousandfold terrors at a pretty tolerably slow pace, the origin of which I was completely aware of; I could not begin to fathom the soul-crushing horror that I had become aware of, that the Old Gods were like super definitely more powerful than me. "how can u resist us?" they said, as all good manipulators tell people when they're being manipulated, "ur totally gonna be a bad guy now". And I knew that they spoke only truth; the revelation was too much to bear! I could not begin to fathom the fact that they are telling me over and over again that I'm definitely going to fall to their manipulations! What choice did I have but to submit myself to their influence? They kept saying it over and over again,—within reason, and again at a tolerable pace and volume,—in a sense markedly more tolerable than typical anxiety-induced intrusive thoughts, and speaking far less devastating false prophesy; madness consumed my soul, and I saw then the inevitability of the nebulous apocalyptic event they kept talking about.

[Skildar]

Alextrasza is said to betray tyr. This doesn't mean she will become corrupted though. We still don't know much about tyr's real agenda and the aspect of exposition doesn't do her job this expansion, so its hard to say what this would mean. But i see a lot of people taking it as a fact that she will end up corrupted by the void when it could mean anything.

Do you know where I could check the quest scenario? my memory is a bit fuzzy about the exact dialogues :/

[huth]

I stood, aghast, as a voice that was not my own spoke within my mind, cutting through my soul.

"lol were more powerful than u," spake the thousandfold terrors at a pretty tolerably slow pace, the origin of which I was completely aware of; I could not begin to fathom the soul-crushing horror that I had become aware of, that the Old Gods were like super definitely more powerful than me. "how can u resist us?" they said, as all good manipulators tell people when they're being manipulated, "ur totally gonna be a bad guy now". And I knew that they spoke only truth; the revelation was too much to bear! I could not begin to fathom the fact that they are telling me over and over again that I'm definitely going to fall to their manipulations! What choice did I have but to submit myself to their influence? They kept saying it over and over again,—within reason, and again at a tolerable pace and volume,—in a sense markedly more tolerable than typical anxiety-induced intrusive thoughts, and speaking far less devastating false prophesy; madness consumed my soul, and I saw then the inevitability of the nebulous apocalyptic event they kept talking about.

And now imagine hearing that all day, every day, without pause. What they say doesn't matter. That they won't shut up does.

[Revamp Man]

Tyr is going to want to empower more flights
Alex will try to stop him
Whether it's a good thing she does or not won't matter since either way she's "betraying" him

It is possible when galakrond ate Tyr's hand he infected Tyr but due to his body not being flesh the Decay wasn't physical

This would also explain why iridikron wants the heart so he can taint the Titans creations. Being sealed in a vault would be meaningless since he is connected to the earth and could know things via our old buddies the old gods and would know what he seems to know.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

And now imagine hearing that all day, every day, without pause. What they say doesn't matter. That they won't shut up does.

I confess that I am not precisely inclined to take seriously as an incarnation of the Cosmic Horror genre—nor even as a threat in a High Fantasy setting—a threat which can be most precisely and effectively summarized as "nagging brain-squids".