The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

I fear that chance lasted only with 8.2.

Honestly, they should've done Gilgoblin/Mechagnome for 8.2 and Ankoan/Vulpera for 8.3. Balance it out with reskins and new races.

I mean, they're in the horde. Why can't the sea goblins be customization options like Wildhammer dwarves or Dark Rangers.

Now why would you go around telling lies?



The first PTR Update also calls it "Return".

Teriz, you need to learn that not everything is a pattern. X is like that because Y is like that doesn't really work when X only happened once.

That was mostly because Forbidden reach was already in the game at launch, it just wasn't populated with end game content. But they still told us about new zones beforehand, IE Emerald Dream zone in 10.2 is on there.

[Makorus]

I mean, they're in the horde. Why can't the sea goblins be customization options like Wildhammer dwarves or Dark Rangers.That was mostly because Forbidden reach was already in the game at launch, it just wasn't populated with end game content. But they still told us about new zones beforehand, IE Emerald Dream zone in 10.2 is on there.

I mean, Teriz argument was "They added a new zone (Forbidden Reach) without a raid therefore Rootlands doesn't necessarily have to have a raid" when that is not the case as Blizzard never referred to Forbidden Reach as a "new zone" nor has there been a new zone without a raid in a long, long time.

[Ersula]

I mean, Teriz argument was "They added a new zone (Forbidden Reach) without a raid therefore Rootlands doesn't necessarily have to have a raid" when that is not the case as Blizzard never referred to Forbidden Reach as a "new zone" nor has there been a new zone without a raid in a long, long time.

Yes, "Undermine is such a big lore deal" "What if it doesn't even get a raid" is wild. None of these options are good my man. But then again we already visited the Undermine continent twice now, in Cata & BFA. We might do so again.

But I think it's more likely they set a raid tier in a new zone further down & the antagonists are a bunch of Undermine goblins harvesting super-azerite or something.

[Teriz]

Now why would you go around telling lies?

Where's the lie?

It was also called a "new zone" on multiple sites at its announcement;

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/dragon...ntent-overview
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/dragon...0-0-7-overview

[Cheezits]

I like the idea that in a 3 expansion back to back to back story there can't be a breathing room patch that isn't heavily plot related.

So clearly Xal will tell Gallywix to use the goblins to drill into the Rootlands to harvest the black blood... instead of, uh, just Goblins doing a Goblin thing.

[Teriz]

I like the idea that in a 3 expansion back to back to back story there can't be a breathing room patch that isn't heavily plot related.

So clearly Xal will tell Gallywix to use the goblins to drill into the Rootlands to harvest the black blood... instead of, uh, just Goblins doing a Goblin thing.

Additionally it makes far more sense for Xal to utilize her own void/nerubian forces instead of working with goblins given the Rootland's supposed importance.

[milkmustache]

Additionally it makes far more sense for Xal to utilize her own void/nerubian forces instead of working with goblins given the Rootland's supposed importance.

I know that they're trying to ignore portions of Shadowlands, but Gallywix and the Brokers seems to be a thread worth following, along with his previous fervor for azerite.

Azerite, Kaja'mite and black blood all feel like they could be in play here. Again, I'll push my own idea that it would not surprise me to see some Ethereals in Undermine.

[Ersula]

Additionally it makes far more sense for Xal to utilize her own void/nerubian forces instead of working with goblins given the Rootland's supposed importance.

But Xalatath's whole thing is she has many balls in the air. She goes to people & offers them dark power in exchange for something. She did it with the Amani, she did it with the Naga in Blackfathom Deeps, the players in the SoD profession questline, she tried making her own void earthen, etc. She definitely went to Gallywix & pitched something to him.

[Teriz]

But Xalatath's whole thing is she has many balls in the air. She goes to people & offers them dark power in exchange for something. She did it with the Amani, she did it with the Naga in Blackfathom Deeps, the players in the SoD profession questline, she tried making her own void earthen, etc. She definitely went to Gallywix & pitched something to him.

Sure, but that's more likely a more localized something that she knows Gallywix can control. For example, there's a lot of Azerite around Kezan and Undermine so obviously there's something World Soul-related going on there. In addition, there's a void creature beneath Undermine;

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Rakalaz

So there's some WSS threads inherent at Undermine that they can explore without Goblins transversing across the world to clear cut a forest of tree trolls.

[Ielenia]

Their capital is an underground city called Undermine.

So you're headcanoning that they're an underground race because of that? Because their origins put them as a forest species.

[Cheezits]

Rakalaz seems like something they will capitalize on (they are all for obscure lore, see Skardyn) but also as a way to foreshadow the creature underneath the Amani who I forget the name of. The two monsters may even be related.

[Ersula]

Sure, but that's more likely a more localized something that she knows Gallywix can control. For example, there's a lot of Azerite around Kezan and Undermine so obviously there's something World Soul-related going on there. In addition, there's a void creature beneath Undermine;

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Rakalaz

So there's some WSS threads inherent at Undermine that they can explore without Goblins transversing across the world to clear cut a forest of tree trolls.

1.) Rakalaz is dead.
2.) Why is the players going to Undermine more likely than Undermine Goblins coming to Khaz Algar?
3.) Goblins are very good at clearing forests, if the rootland tier & goblin tier even revolve around the same zone.

[Cheezits]

2.) Why is the players going to Undermine more likely than Undermine Goblins coming to Khaz Algar?

Because 2/3 foreshadowed zones (Kezan/Undermine, Silithus) so far are not a part of the island, and the achievement basically spoils there will be at least one explorable area that isn't Khaz Algar.

Everything points to the island essentially being ditched by the time of the finale ala BFA. For better or for worse. The only way that wouldn't happen is if Beledar is the finale or the Rootlands/Elun'ahir is.

[milkmustache]

Rakalaz seems like something they will capitalize on (they are all for obscure lore, see Skardyn) but also as a way to foreshadow the creature underneath the Amani who I forget the name of. The two monsters may even be related.

This is an interesting thread to follow, especially with the idea that Rakalaz doesn't seem to be Old God related if I'm correct, but far similar to the more cosmic void we're seeing with Xal.

[Teriz]

So you're headcanoning that they're an underground race because of that? Because their origins put them as a forest species.

Underground races tend to have underground capitals, and once again in most fantasy settings, Goblins are portrayed as underground creatures.

Which may explain why they're so prevalent in this expansion.

[milkmustache]

Oh-- something interesting to look at. Do we think at any point between 11.0 launch and 12.0 launch that Beledar becomes dislodged from it's location?

[Teriz]

1.) Rakalaz is dead.

Supposedly. The more important question is why was there a void creature beneath Undermine in the first place? Further, if there was a void creature down there, what else is down there? According to the legend, the digger broke through a layer and essentially wound up in a void zone.

2.) Why is the players going to Undermine more likely than Undermine Goblins coming to Khaz Algar?

We've never seen Undermine, and we already have Undermine Goblins in Khaz Algar. Additionally, the Harronir were featured in the announcement trailer, making them an unlikely feature for 11.1 a year from now.

3.) Goblins are very good at clearing forests, if the rootland tier & goblin tier even revolve around the same zone.

How does clear-cutting an underground forest help Xal'atath or Gallywix exactly? Also how is that remotely interesting or not a rather blatant retread of 10.2?

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This is an interesting thread to follow, especially with the idea that Rakalaz doesn't seem to be Old God related if I'm correct, but far similar to the more cosmic void we're seeing with Xal.

And it further connects Undermine with the general thematic of the WSS.

[Ielenia]

Underground races tend to have underground capitals, and once again in most fantasy settings, Goblins are portrayed as underground creatures.

Which may explain why they're so prevalent in this expansion.

Kezan is (was) not underground. Gadgetzan is not underground. Everlook is not underground. No goblin settlement around Azeroth is underground. Except for undermine.

Plus, again, the goblin race started as a forest species. Goblins are not shown as being adapted to the underground to be considered underground species. Can you give me some actual concrete proof that goblins are considered an underground species aside from your headcanon?

[Ersula]

Because 2/3 foreshadowed zones (Kezan/Undermine, Silithus) so far are not a part of the island, and the achievement basically spoils there will be at least one explorable area that isn't Khaz Algar.

Everything points to the island essentially being ditched by the time of the finale ala BFA. For better or for worse. The only way that wouldn't happen is if Beledar is the finale or the Rootlands/Elun'ahir is.

Okay but Silithus is actually in a reasonable proximity to Khaz Algar. Undermine isn't. The Kazan loading screen puts it directly north of Pandaria.

So far nothing's controverted my immediate theory that if the additional TWW zones are further down, we're going to hit the tip of the Sargeras' sword by the end of the expansion. That seems like the whole point of this expansion. The sword is going south - southwest & if we go deeper north - northwest the points meet.

[Raetary]

Underground races tend to have underground capitals

They are not an underground species.
Mimiron literally found them around the woods in Storm Peaks when he decided to do his experiments.

After the Sundering the Gobs lived on Kezan, the isle.

The reason why Undermine is underground is because the city is built into the Kaja'mite mines that the Zandalari forced them to mine in.

Even today, except for Undermine itself, every single one of their settlements on Azeroth are regular above-ground cities.
Their main thing is tropical islands and port cities.