The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

Yes, it does. Because before it was just the other races (usually tauren and trolls) wanting to kick goblins out for destroying nature haphazardly. Now we have a goblin (Gazlowe) wanting to do that while showing his kin that there are better ways to do business.

And even before that, we had a minimum of 3 distinct groups with rather different alignments. Trying to act like it's only polluting goblins and non-polluting goblins is both reductive and dishonest.

[Ielenia]

And what exactly makes Dwarves an underground race?

Are you literally being willfully obtuse right now? Do you even read what people write in response to you?

No, that's just your headcanon. There is no lore that states the goblins are an underground race. If goblins were supposed to be an underground race, then their culture, architecture, etc, would reflect that, but none of that do. Dwarves are an actual representation of an underground race as even their buildings on the surface are built down into the ground, or into the sides of mountains. They tend to build down, not up. Y'know, like races used to being underground tend to do?

Goblins do not display this behavior. In fact, not only none of their settlements are underground, but they're all put in big, wide clearings.

More and more you prove that you're just doing this in bad faith, not reading what people write, just skimming it for specific things to argue against.

Because Blizzard has a history of implementing “outdated lore” into the game.

Such as?

[Nightshade711]

Are you literally being willfully obtuse right now? Do you even read what people write in response to you?

That’s just his default when he has nothing more to argue. I’d move on tbh.

[Teriz]

Are you literally being willfully obtuse right now? Do you even read what people write in response to you?

Relax. I was simply asking a question.

Such as?

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Mogul_Razdunk

He only existed in the "outdated lore" of the RPG until he was brought into BFA.

[Ielenia]

Relax. I was simply asking a question.

A question that shouldn't have been asked if you actually read what people write in the first place.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Mogul_Razdunk

He only existed in the "outdated lore" of the RPG until he was brought into BFA.

That is not outdated lore. That is just lore. "Outdated lore" is lore that has been superseded by new lore that replaced it.

[Teriz]

A question that shouldn't have been asked if you actually read what people write in the first place.

Rest assured, I did actually read your (inaccurate) statements regarding Goblin and Dwarven lore.

That is not outdated lore. That is just lore. "Outdated lore" is lore that has been superseded by new lore that replaced it.

Yet you stated earlier that Goblin lore before Chronicles was outdated lore. Mogul Razdunk would be an example of Goblin lore prior to Chronicles.

Anyway, none of this is relevant to the topic of this thread, so we'll just have to leave this here.

[Ielenia]

Rest assured, I did actually read your (inaccurate) statements regarding Goblin and Dwarven lore.

You're welcome to your opinion that I made an inaccurate recount of their lore, but you'd be wrong. Not to mention you haven't backed up your statements about inaccuracies, you just stated them. That's not how it works. You have to back up your claims.

Yet you stated earlier that Goblin lore before Chronicles was outdated lore.

I said it's outdated because the new lore from the newer books supersedes the old lore. Razgul's lore was never replaced

[Telogrus]

What are y’all’s predictions for raid #2, raid #3, and the megadungeon?

Raid 2 is obviously gonna be tied to the goblins in some way, but the big bad of the raid seems unclear

Raid 3 will probably have something to do with either Elun’ahir or Beladar. The megadungeon will be the other one

[Teriz]

What are y’all’s predictions for raid #2, raid #3, and the megadungeon?

Raid 2 is obviously gonna be tied to the goblins in some way, but the big bad of the raid seems unclear

Raid 3 will probably have something to do with either Elun’ahir or Beladar. The megadungeon will be the other one

Raid 2: Goblin raid inside Undermine zone with Gallywix the end boss.

Megadungeon Silthus with Aqir and titan stuff

Raid 3: Void invasion. Definitely possible for Beledar to play a role.

[Golden Yak]

What are y’all’s predictions for raid #2, raid #3, and the megadungeon?

Raid 2 is obviously gonna be tied to the goblins in some way, but the big bad of the raid seems unclear

Raid 3 will probably have something to do with either Elun’ahir or Beladar. The megadungeon will be the other one

I want to second an Undermine raid and Ahn'Qiraj megadungeon.

But for the final raid, I think it will be the Worldsoul itself - somekind of fabulous megastructure enclosing the Worldsoul, where Xal'atath will be trying to infuse some Void/Old God corruption.

We go right down in there, deep.

[Le Conceptuel]

But for the final raid, I think it will be the Worldsoul itself - somekind of fabulous megastructure enclosing the Worldsoul, where Xal'atath will be trying to infuse some Void/Old God corruption.

We go right down in there, deep.

I'm fairly convinced we'll only see the World-Soul in TLT, probably in some deep chamber under Ulduar. Ulduar is the largest known titan facility and former seat of their Prime Designate, so it makes sense that it might have access to the World-Soul. Would definitely make the titans a special level of stupid to dangle an old god right above an open pit to the World-Soul, but they're already evidently willing to shrug off an old god being right next to the guy who is supposed to tell them if it would be a good idea to glass the planet.

[Golden Yak]

I'm fairly convinced we'll only see the World-Soul in TLT, probably in some deep chamber under Ulduar. Ulduar is the largest known titan facility and former seat of their Prime Designate, so it makes sense that it might have access to the World-Soul. Would definitely make the titans a special level of stupid to put an old god right up in the upper levels of the place where they reach the World-Soul, but they're already evidently willing to shrug off an old god being right next to the guy who is supposed to tell them if it would be a good idea to glass the planet to begin with.

I certainly think we could go back, and it makes sense to do it from Ulduar (War Within should also have been set beneath Ulduar, what the hell are we even doing way in Khaz Whatever...), but I still think we'll definitely get there in War Within. I'm convinced it's going to go down how Iridikron imagined - the Harbinger will 'tear the world from the Titans grasp etc.', by which I think Xal'atath will essentially 'undo' all the Ordering the Titans have put into the Worldsoul thus far. It'll be totally 'up for grabs', and will lead into the Void launching an all-out assault to claim it.

I'm slightly more sympathetic to Titan facility placement, because by all accounts they couldn't really move the Old Gods around without ripping up the place, and it might be that an optimal access point to the Worldsoul was already there anyway - could've been why Yogg-Saron was there in the first place. They locked it down best they could.

So maybe:
WW - Worldsoul exterior structure, maybe a Titan facility set up around it, fighting Xal right on some transparent crystal enclosing it, that glowing blue/gold fire like a sun right beneath us.
TLT - Into the Worldsoul itself. We go into some fantastic landscape made from Azeroth's thoughts and memories, and fight some serious corruption directly.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Was Undermine mentioned in Chronicles?

Not by name but given that its under Kezan kinda.

Spoiler: 

THE LIBERATION OF KEZAN
100 YEARS BEFORE THE DARK PORTAL
fter the Sundering, the Zandalari set out to explore the numerous islands that dotted the A newly formed I sea berween Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. It was during these voyages that the trolls discovered Kezan, an isle inhabited by goblins. These small green-skinned beings were clever but crude.
At first, the two races kept their distance from each other. The Zandalari had come to Kezan in search of a strange mineral called kaja'mite. The consumption of vaporized kaja'mite caused a range of effects, such as heightened senses, hallucinations, and increased intelligence. The trolls greatly valued the mineral and saw it as a sacred component in their rituals and ceremonies. For centuries they mined from the numerous kaja'mite veins running close to the surface of the island. Occasionally they employed goblins to work for them, paying with shiny but cheap trinkets that the small creatures prized.
The arrangement changed once the trolls discovered an unimaginable deposit of kaja'mite buried deep underground more than the Zandalari would ever need. Rather than dig for it themselves, they enslaved the goblins and forced them to mine under abysmal conditions. For thousands of years, the goblins suffered under the yoke of troll oppression, too weak to resist.
In the end, it was the kaja'mite itself that led to the goblins' salvation.
A cloud of kaja'mite dust always blanketed the mines. Over time, breathing it in awakened the goblins' intelligence... and craftiness. Secretly, they plotted the overthrow of their slave masters, using what materials they could find to fashion traps, explosives, and other ingenious weaponry.
The troll overseers were caught off guard when the goblin masses stormed from the mines, armed with technology beyond even what the Zandalari possessed. The revolution shat- tered the trolls' hold over Kezan, laying waste to their mining operation and leaving behind untold destruction.
The surviving Zandalari fled, and the goblins celebrated their new liberation by turning on each other in a mad scramble to fill the void of power. Amid the chaos, countless factions and allegiances formed. The most powerful of these groups were known as cartels. When no clear winner emerged from the fighting, these cartels brokered an uneasy truce.
Conflict would never really end between the various goblin factions, but for decades, they waged most of their battles in the economic arena. The cartels ultimately turned to trade to sustain themselves and used their profits to amass ever more wealth and power.

ANCIENT GOBLINS
In ancient times, Keeper Mimiron had discovered kaja'mite and used it to experiment on various races, greatly enhancing their intellect. Some of these test subjects were members of a small, primitive race that roamed the forestlands near Ulduar. Consuming kaja'mite transformed the creatures into a highly intelligent, industrious breed known thereafter as goblins.
The destruction caused by the Sundering cut off the goblins' supply of kaja'mite. In just a few generations, their heightened intelligence vanished. Those goblins who had found refuge on the Isle of Kezan had already forgotten the role kaja'mite bad played in their old society

if any thing chronicels make the case that evoled goblins are an island race not even being the ones to find where undermind would be build.

[Teriz]

Not by name but given that its under Kezan kinda.

Spoiler: 

if any thing chronicels make the case that evoled goblins are an island race not even being the ones to find where undermind would be build.

As I figured, which makes me believe that they're going to rely heavily on the RPG books for lore.

[Nightshade711]

What are y’all’s predictions for raid #2, raid #3, and the megadungeon?

Raid 2 is obviously gonna be tied to the goblins in some way, but the big bad of the raid seems unclear

Raid 3 will probably have something to do with either Elun’ahir or Beladar. The megadungeon will be the other one

Raid 2: Goblin raid in the rootlands/Elun'ahir zone, stopping the Venture Co. from harvesting/exploiting the roots of Elun'ahir.

Raid 3: Probably Beledar, ending in a way to lead us directly into Midnight. (Though I hope they don't waste the Arathi empire/Avaloren on a patch zone)

But if they're keeping the DF pattern of matching the themes of the patch to the M+ mount - then we should get a light-based patch in there somewhere.

[Chickat]

Also not to mention, the rootlands is supposedly about the size of the ringing deeps.

The forbidden reach was such a small island and nowhere near the size of any of the patch/primary continent zones.
Would be weird for them to introduce such a large, major patch sized zone for a .5 or .7 patch.

The Ringing deeps is pretty small compared to DF zones from what Ive seen flying around it. Its comparable to a Legion or BFA sized zone. Still massive for a patch zone mind you.

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Anyone notice in MoP remix that they take heavy ticking damage randomly even with maxxed gear? I would think its a debuff but i never have one? Unless the debuff frame is bugged and not showing certain abilities.

[Auxis]

Yes doom summons doomguard with talents. Imp is just the default.

Sweet!! Been dying for some doomguard representation that isn't a gimmick summon/enslave.

[FelPlague]

Sweet!! Been dying for some doomguard representation that isn't a gimmick summon/enslave.

Yeah I am quite happy with the Demonolgy tree now.
I hope we get metamorph maybe now as a future Hero tree. Cause I have wanted it back since Legion.
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-...QVQFQBQEFVVUBE
But here is the build I plan to go, quite happy with it. I do hope there is one more pass on the class tree itself, as the capstones dont feel capstoney, and the tree really needs an overall work over in how its arranged.

[Golden Yak]

Raid 3: Probably Beledar, ending in a way to lead us directly into Midnight. (Though I hope they don't waste the Arathi empire/Avaloren on a patch zone)

I'm hoping they don't waste that on an expansion.

After Worldsoul: Avaloren Saga. 1/3rd of the continent per xpac.

[Darkarath]

I'm hoping they don't waste that on an expansion.

After Worldsoul: Avaloren Saga. 1/3rd of the continent per xpac.

Yeah no chance that they are wasting the Arathi Empire in a patch. It has been stated that it is a vast Empire, so we are getting at the very least an expansion out of it. Right after the WSS? Maybe. There are many hints towards a Kalimdor revamp.

I am so curious to see how they do the Midnight revamp to get a better idea of how future revamps might be.