The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

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Those who insist on feeding Teriz and starting these thread-swallowing digressions really could stand to benefit from committing to memory the phrase "do not engage". If someone doesn't intend on giving any ground and we know this, it might be as much the fault of those who engage with him as his own that these fruitless, page-spanning arguments get started and keep going.

[Makabreska]

Those who insist on feeding Teriz and starting these thread-swallowing digressions really could stand to benefit from committing to memory the phrase "do not engage". If someone doesn't intend on giving any ground and we know this, it might be as much the fault of those who engage with him as his own that these fruitless, page-spanning arguments get started and keep going.

Ye. I can literally see guys who are notorious Teriz engagers (with his quotes in their sigs and stuff), suddenly coming to this thread simply because he is here and arguing with him for days. This is some fucked up symbiosis going on.

[Timester]

It's one thing to not believe there's enough evidence for you to buy into it as is completely valid in a speculation forum, but it's another to make an incredible oversimplification of things.

Gazlowe is one of a handful of characters to receive a short story written about him as build up to the expansion. We can place the pieces together to realize if he's only featured slightly here but seems to have importance, then we're bound to see more of him later.

And while it is just a one liner, stating:

is quite literal foreshadowing opposed to a lore enjoyer nod.

And yet, there are so many other threads to pick from TWW and don't go any further. For example Magni. By the second zone, Magni's storyline is resolved, someone with years of lore supporting that would be a major player regarding the World Soul.

I'm not denying that something might happen with Gazlowe and Venture Co., they are present for some reason. But being already discussed as the certain Undermine the big underground goblin raid in 11.1?


TWW is full of new lore and tidbits and yet the thread is about goblins and Undermine...

[Makabreska]

TWW is full of new lore and tidbits and yet the thread is about goblins and Undermine...

This isn't really this strange, considering they are almost guaranteed to appear. Aaaaand we also have notorious thread hijackers among us right now.

[Teriz]

This isn't really this strange, considering they are almost guaranteed to appear. Aaaaand we also have notorious thread hijackers among us right now.

TBF, Gazlowe being a significant character in TWW, Undermine being a possible (large) zone in 11.1, and the Goblin raid being an actual Goblin-themed raid shouldn't be controversial topics that hijack a speculation thread about TWW.

Yet here we are.

[Raetary]

With the Kirin Tor more or less in shambles, i hope they use the opportunity to develop the rest of the council.

While Jainas involvement isn't surprising, i hope they don't just hand the faction back to her.

[Timester]

This isn't really this strange, considering they are almost guaranteed to appear. Aaaaand we also have notorious thread hijackers among us right now.

They aren't almost guaranteed, they are already in game. The thing is, there are so many other things in game also. And Undermine doesn't fit the current storyline. A "Venture Co. dug so deep that they reached the carcass of an Old God" most likely, connected with the harronir.

[Makabreska]

They aren't almost guaranteed, they are already in game. The thing is, there are so many other things in game also. And Undermine doesn't fit the current storyline. A "Venture Co. dug so deep that they reached the carcass of an Old God" most likely, connected with the harronir.

Don't argue this with me, my man. I'm do not intend of taking part in this crapshow we were having in the past few days.

[Timester]

With the Kirin Tor more or less in shambles, i hope they use the opportunity to develop the rest of the council.

While Jainas involvement isn't surprising, i hope they don't just hand the faction back to her.

Considering how the Dalarani are acting in TWW? I wouldn't be surprised that it was the last time we saw Dalaran and everyone will just move on.

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Don't argue this with me, my man. I'm do not intend of taking part in this crapshow we were having in the past few days.

No argueing, agreeing.

[Teriz]

They aren't almost guaranteed, they are already in game. The thing is, there are so many other things in game also. And Undermine doesn't fit the current storyline. A "Venture Co. dug so deep that they reached the carcass of an Old God" most likely, connected with the harronir.

An underground Goblin city with a possible void entity beneath it and is filled to the brim with Azerite doesn't fit a storyline about the underground areas of Azeroth with an underground void entity attempting to corrupt the world soul?

What?

[Ielenia]

Again, this is a lie. I'm treating the RPG books as a potential source for game content, which they are by Blizzard's own admission.

Every time you claim undermine is "a huge city" and people call you out on it, you point to the RPG books, saying it's a big city there. That is using the RPG books as canon evidence.

[Teriz]

Every time you claim undermine is "a huge city" and people call you out on it, you point to the RPG books, saying it's a big city there. That is using the RPG books as canon evidence.

Uh, I also point to vanilla WoW where they planned to include the city alongside playable Goblins but had to abandon it due to the lack of resources and time. If you look at the various vanilla concept maps showing the landmass, Undermine is not a small location.

[Makorus]

Uh, I also point to vanilla WoW where they planned to include the city alongside playable Goblins but had to abandon it due to the lack of resources and time. If you look at the various vanilla concept maps showing the landmass, Undermine is not a small location.

Yeah because things can't change in 20+ years.

See: Dragon Isles, Outland, Karazhan.

Because obviously, things can't change, Undermine is actually underneath Pandaria. Crazy!

[Timester]

An underground Goblin city with a possible void entity beneath it and is filled to the brim with Azerite doesn't fit a storyline about the underground areas of Azeroth with an underground void entity attempting to corrupt the world soul?

What?

Already debunked on this same thread over and over. Not going there.


What I'm curious is the last part of the end game campaign, is there any hint so far?

[milkmustache]

They aren't almost guaranteed, they are already in game. The thing is, there are so many other things in game also. And Undermine doesn't fit the current storyline. A "Venture Co. dug so deep that they reached the carcass of an Old God" most likely, connected with the harronir.

Which, to just be fair and my last comment on Undermine, there is a void creature deep under Kezan. I don't expect that to be the route if they go that way, but it's a possibility.

With the Kirin Tor more or less in shambles, i hope they use the opportunity to develop the rest of the council.

While Jainas involvement isn't surprising, i hope they don't just hand the faction back to her.

I agree that I don't think Jaina's involvement with the Kirin Tor should return. I know Kalec has a whole flight to lead, but I feel like he could do a great job. I'm still hoping for the return of Khadgar, but he wouldn't fit the bill as he's Guardian.

Whatever happens with Midnight, I'm sure we'll see some form of unification between Sunfury and Silver Covenant, so even those dissolve. A lack of Kirin Tor presence in the game would be a huge bummer, I think they're a great group. Give it to Modera!

[Teriz]

Yeah because things can't change in 20+ years.

See: Dragon Isles, Outland, Karazhan.

Where did I say things can't change? I'm simply saying that all indications from Blizzard sources is that Undermine is a large place, which in turn gives credence to the notion that Undermine in 11.1 (if it happens) would also be a large place.

Again, I'm puzzled at how this is a controversial statement.

[Timester]

I agree that I don't think Jaina's involvement with the Kirin Tor should return. I know Kalec has a whole flight to lead, but I feel like he could do a great job. I'm still hoping for the return of Khadgar, but he wouldn't fit the bill as he's Guardian.

Whatever happens with Midnight, I'm sure we'll see some form of unification between Sunfury and Silver Covenant, so even those dissolve. A lack of Kirin Tor presence in the game would be a huge bummer, I think they're a great group. Give it to Modera!

That's why they are all acting like Dalaran is a done deal.

[milkmustache]

That's why they are all acting like Dalaran is a done deal.

I selfishly don't want it to be gone, but I feel like they'll use Silvermoon as a Dalaran adjacent starting in Midnight.

[Timester]

I selfishly don't want it to be gone, but I feel like they'll use Silvermoon as a Dalaran adjacent starting in Midnight.

Or even the Arator Empire.

[Sondrelk]

Where did I say things can't change? I'm simply saying that all indications from Blizzard sources is that Undermine is a large place, which in turn gives credence to the notion that Undermine in 11.1 (if it happens) would also be a large place.

Again, I'm puzzled at how this is a controversial statement.

Sure, it's a large place. But that doesn't mean it's also a large zone.
Suramar is a large city, a d that took up about a third of the zone. Zin'azshari is a large city, and that one only took up about a quarter of the zone.

There are plenty of ways in which Undermine could be a "large city" without taking up an entire zone.
As with the options mentioned above: It could be part of the zone, or only having one section of it accessible. Or as I have been mentioning, having it be an instanced raid in which we only see one small part of it despite there ostensibly being more to it.