The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

Hm. Interesting mentality you don't have whenever the discussion is about something not aligned with your interests, but that's neither here nor there.

That said, I find it having a snowball's chance in hell of happening because if Blizzard is going to do a "first time" for something like that, it's not going to be for a zone that will be relevant for a single patch and then forgotten. They'll most likely make it for the main zone of the expansion, i.e., where the expansion main hub is going to be.

Well again, Undermine (if implemented) would be the most well-known lore location in this expansion. Every other new location originates from TWW, and TWW alone. It is also a location they've wanted to implement since Vanilla. That could be an impetus for Blizzard to bring it into the game and make it a zone-sized city and break a few barriers.

I also don't necessarily believe that they would build an expansion around Undermine, and Undermine alone. There's enough material for a patch, but having enough material for an entire expansion would be a stretch.

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You didn't answer the second part of My post.

Why shouldn't Mekkatorque be involved in Undermine? Are Goblin the only ones allowed to participate in a Technology-based storyline?

Because there's no reason for him to be there. Gazlowe is getting Undermine information from Goblins in Khaz Algar. As a trade prince, what happens in Undermine affects him, since it the center of Goblin civilization and the cartels. That in turn could influence Thrall, since Gazlowe is a Horde faction leader and the two have been friends for years, and Thrall is directly responsible for Gallywix remaining in power after the events in Cataclysm.

Mekkatorque really doesn't enter the equation.

[Lady Atia]

Again, not in TWW 11.0. Thrall helps the Earthen to train the new Stormriders of Dornogal. That's it.

TWW has absolutely no faction focus besides the arrival of both fleets together.

https://www.wowhead.com/pt/news/alli...d-but-distinct

Honestly it seems so weird to me that some people are stuck in that old "only horde or only alliance" way of thinking. Like don't you guys have alts from the other faction?

[Ersula]

Honestly it seems so weird to me that some people are stuck in that old "only horde or only alliance" way of thinking. Like don't you guys have alts from the other faction?

I think the problem is its not realistic to be "distinct but united." That's like pretending Nato & RSII are just figurative.

And that the writers don't understand there is an enormous middle-ground between "enemies" and "united." For example the US is not at war with China, and sometimes those countries work together, but they certainly aren't united or allied.

There can still be interesting conflict between two factions without them wanting to destroy each other. But right now the only conflict is on an extremely personal individual level & the source of which is just bigotry. There should be an oil crisis in Azeroth or something. Bring in some tension.

[Varodoc]

Because there's no reason for him to be there. Gazlowe is getting Undermine information from Goblins in Khaz Algar. As a trade prince, what happens in Undermine affects him, since it the center of Goblin civilization and the cartels. That in turn could influence Thrall, since Gazlowe is a Horde faction leader and the two have been friends for years, and Thrall is directly responsible for Gallywix remaining in power after the events in Cataclysm.

Mekkatorque really doesn't enter the equation.

Except, I don't see any Alliance character in this theory-crafting scenario. There has never been a case where one of the two factions was completely absent from a patch. Never.

The Horde has ALWAYS had a presence in the story, in EVERY single patch. Is the Alliance not owed the same?

[Ersula]

Except, I don't see any Alliance character in this theory-crafting scenario. There has never been a case where one of the two factions was completely absent from a patch. Never.

The Horde has ALWAYS had a presence in the story, in EVERY single patch. Is the Alliance not owed the same?

I'm sure Alleria & Jaina will be seen standing around during a goblin centric tier, which is what the horde characters are resigned to during TWW season 1.

[Timester]

Except, I don't see any Alliance character in this theory-crafting scenario. There has never been a case where one of the two factions was completely absent from a patch. Never.

The Horde has ALWAYS had a presence in the story, in EVERY single patch. Is the Alliance not owed the same?

The entire 11.0 is the "Adventures of the Bronzebeards!". 4 Bronzebeards as main characters, I wouldn't be so worried.

[Varodoc]

The entire 11.0 is the "Adventures of the Bronzebeards!". 4 Bronzebeards as main characters, I wouldn't be so worried.

Warchief Thrall has appeared in every marketing trailer thus far and will be one of the main characters of the Endgame campaign of the expansion.

[Timester]

Warchief Thrall has appeared in every marketing trailer thus far and will be one of the main characters of the Endgame campaign of the expansion.

Why marketing used Thrall, only Blizzard knows. But in beta itself, Thrall is a side NPC, his part of Stormriders of Dornogal questline (which is also a side part of the Earthen race, not connected with the development of the main story) is one of tutoring. Then Thrall doesn't appear yet again. Now the Bronzebeards? Moira, Dagran and Brann are there all the way from Dalaran to endgame (Magni's plot is actually solved in the second zone, that's why I'm not counting him).

[Teriz]

I'm sure Alleria & Jaina will be seen standing around during a goblin centric tier, which is what the horde characters are resigned to during TWW season 1.

Pretty much.

[Makabreska]

M+ changes are here:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/brand-n...removed-343512

This looks really good!

[Ielenia]

Well again, Undermine (if implemented) would be the most well-known lore location in this expansion.

Which, from an objective standpoint, is another point against the idea. Because I doubt Blizzard is going to make the "most well-known lore location" in TWW be just a mid-expansion patch zone that is going to be left behind the moment the season ends.

If they do something that big, it's most likely going to be for the expansion's main hub, which remains relevant through the entire expansion instead of just a single season.

[Teriz]

Which, from an objective standpoint, is another point against the idea. Because I doubt Blizzard is going to make the "most well-known lore location" in TWW be just a mid-expansion patch zone that is going to be left behind the moment the season ends.

If there's no way to make a Goblin/Undermine-centric expansion, making it the central theme of a major patch is the next step down.

[Enrif]

Anticlimactic means disappointment at the conclusion of an arc/climax.

If TWW ends, and Azeroth is nowhere to be seen, despite being teased from cinematic trailer to epilogue patch, then its definitely disappointing.

If TWW ends and it has no impactful overture to Midnight, THAT would be anticlimactic. Getting to the World Soul does not matter. It only matters to protect it from Xal. And in TLT, when we actually face the titans, it would be a climatic ending to have Azeroth stand up against them. That is climatic.

[micwini]

You didn't answer the second part of My post.

Why shouldn't Mekkatorque be involved in Undermine? Are Goblin the only ones allowed to participate in a Technology-based storyline?

I didn't reply because it doesn't matter. If mekkatorque is there, he's going to be neutral as well.

[Ielenia]

If there's no way to make a Goblin/Undermine-centric expansion, making it the central theme of a major patch is the next step down.

Which would then mean, from an objective standpoint, that a X.1 undermine is not going to be a zone-wide city, as I've been telling you.

[Teriz]

Which would then mean, from an objective standpoint, that a X.1 undermine is not going to be a zone-wide city, as I've been telling you.

LoL! That standpoint is the exact opposite of “objective”.

Anyway, you’re welcome to that opinion. We’ll see what happens in about a year’s time.

[Zardas]

11.1 can't come soon enough

[micwini]

I can see Undermine as a Suramar at best. Mostly city, but not all of it

[Nightshade711]

LoL! That standpoint is the exact opposite of “objective”.

Anyway, you’re welcome to that opinion. We’ll see what happens in about a year’s time.

Pretty objective when we’ve got datamining to support it.
We already have a good idea of what 11.1 will be via the datamining, and sorry to say it isn’t Undermine.

[Eldryth]

Why wouldn't they simply drop Rootlands in patch 11.0.7 as a max zone like they did Forbidden Reach in 10.0.7?

11.0.7 Rootlands
11.1 Undermine + zone
11.2 World soul center of the earth zone + void/ethereal raid.

Guys, the signs are all there.

Again, that's possible, but the fact of the matter is that the Rootlands have by far the most buildup, are far more closely tied to the overarching plot, and have too much important lore for a minor patch to handle it well. It only makes sense for that if you pretend that the only thing there is the Harronir, when it should also give a lot of lore on Eonar, Freya, and the Freysworn- making it a great chance to set up the Titans a bit before TLT. Covering all that would take a lot more story than they've typically used in any minor patch- admittedly possible if they change things up and put a lot more resources into the smaller patches, but I still think it needs more.

As for Undermine, I feel like it'd be best to use it as a Horde capitol if we ever get a real South Seas expansion. I'm not a Goblin fan but even I think it'd be a waste to use it here, as a completely irrelevant tangent.