The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

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Especially with that fan-fic arthurian name - Avaloren

To be fair, here...

[Nebron]

I confess I am reluctant to claim I expect a world revamp; it feels as though it is somewhat unlikely due to the scale of the resources required and the general difficulty involved. The addition of Dragonriding across the Old World also feels odd, but it could just mean that the revamped world will coexist with the original Azeroth. However, I am also quite hopeful for it; I don't know if I think it will really happen, I feel like I can still shill for it as an interesting idea. I'm definitely holding out hope and have a great interest in it.



Quite true. This, along with the oncoming milestones, gives me some confidence. You're giving me a sense of anticipation talking about it, no matter how much I'm uncertain about it.

Yeah, revamped world is quite an undertaking.
But an alternative to World Revamp, I would go for another Mists of Pandaria -like expansion. Someone already brought a point with Arabian culture. And I'd be all in.
People didn't like the Pandaria for Pandas really. But what MoP actually gave, was a very unique take on WoW storytelling and world-building. It was all rooted in one culture. It was pretty much homogeneous, but not boring on mono-thematic. Everything, from concept arts, through music, to story philosophy was part of a single idea based on a single culture. And that idea gave an opportunity to tell a simple, yet exciting story.
When I think about cultures, first thing that comes to my mind is Norse one, but it's already in the game. Asia (China, Japan) is also taken by Pandaria. I don't think "tribal" cultures are big enough to provide for an entire expansion theme - but Arabian - definitely. From artwork, through orient music, to captivating stories. Everything is there. So if Avaloren was the next expansion, at least make it something like this

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To be fair, here...

Yeah, Knights of the Silver Hand === Knights of the Round Table - but that is within a medival, chivalry, knight-esque fantasy theme. Everything clicks there.
But don't pay too much attention - it was just a joke this name simply doesn't resonate well with me, that's it. But whatever the name is, I'm fine as long as the place is great!

[huth]

Having a continent appear out of the mists for a 3rd time would be plain stupid IMO. "Lol again?, sure hahah".
I can't really see Avaloren be more than a patch zone later on in the expansion, but we'd have to see.

It already happened twice. It's no longer such an odd proposition. We also had two places hidden by Titan devices that became accessible when those became inactive.

It's clearly something that can be done, and Avaloren explicitly has(/had) rebel Keepers.

[Darkarath]

It is hard to know what would happen.

We barely know anything about Avaloren, although we already have more information about it than what we knew of the Dragon Isles when they were hinted at in BfA.

Yet I see Avaloren just as the Dragon Isles in BfA. A continent that we would visit sometime in the future, but probably not in 11.0. It seems that Blizzard is building a narrative that would span multiple expansions, so we might get more information about Avaloren and a reason to go there in game, not in the reveal trailer as it usually happens. Also, Avaloren seems to has high advanced technology, so they might take the chance to introduce the Tech class that WoW is missing, Tinker or whatever form it adopts. I just do not see them releasing two classes in two expansions, but I would love to be proven wrong.

I believe that 10.2 would have a new zone west of Ohn'ahran Plains, with Fyrakk as the final raid boss. Fyrakk is burning all the Dragon Isles. If a new World Tree suddenly emerges, chances are that we would have to face him. Plus this would give Iridikron time to do whatever he is doing.

I see Iridikron releasing Chromatus in 10.2.5, again, to gain time for his schemes. Chromatus has to be deal with within this expansion, and him as the final boss of the presumably 10.2.5 dungeon would make sense.

This would lead us to 10.3, the huge mystery. It seems that Murozond would not appear in 10.1.5 dungeon. In any case, we would not deal with him in that dungeon. So he has to be a part of 10.3, along with the Red Dragonflight, which relevance in DF has been non-existent.

One thing that might happen is that in the end cinematic of 10.2's raid, Alexstrasza kills Fyrakk (after we debilitate him), but in the process, she gets corrupted by Shadowflame. We already know that Alexstrasza will betray Tyr in some way, so this might be it. But I still have no idea of where 10.3 might take us.

In such a way, with Alexstrasza as the final boss of the expansion, Iridkron, Vyranoth and Murozond would be free (and it seems that as allies) to do their thing, plus cleaning the face of the world from the Titan's touch, meaning that they would destroy a good part of the world, leading us to a world revamp.

A good way of causing massive destruction would be destroying the elemental planes that the Titans created. I still believe that we would see a meeting between the Incarnates and the Elemental Lords, as they were natural allies, and it would be very interesting to see where the Elemental Lords loyalties lie.

[Skildar]

earlier I straight up jumped on Northrend revamp with a heavy titan theme but I kind of forgot that we have a book in the Exile reach telling us that the naga are sure to make a come back. When thinking about what the next expansion could be it is quite hard to balance between fanfiction, narrative wishlist, and which of the breadcrumbs we've found will end up being something relevant in the coming expac.

[Santandame]

Tel’Abim
Avaloren
Light Invasion
Underground Azeroth
World Revamp
K’Aresh

That’s my order of expectations from most likely to least likely for next expansion.

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I recently watched a video by Taliesen & Evitel wherein he guesses that the next expansion will have something to do with buccaneers, with a new continent to the West of Kalimdor.

The 10th expansion, and a fairly significant anniversary so should be good!

Tel’Abim and Nightsquall, I’ve been calling it for a while in this thread now.

I see Avaloren as King Arthur inspired continent alongside potentially Ancient Rome/Greece.

I don’t see pirates or Nightsquall fitting there. I do see Azshara, Odyn & Titans fitting there though.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

If next expansion would be pirate themed, they need to make this dragon a mount.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I'm sorry if I missed the conversation. But, do any of you know what the dragon soul/demon soul/whatever you prefer device that Iridikron is using to scoup up Galakrond essence in the Megadungeon is from?

I'm sorry for being daft I am just kind of flabbergasted that just popped out of nowhere.

(Just trying to factcheck myself as I try to understand what's up.)


In context of the current conversation, I've truly given up on guessing where we're going next. In my honest opinion, it doesn't really matter as if the marketing sucks for the next expansion and the reveal of the expansion is as directionless as 10.0 any option other than Revamp will end unsatisfactorily for the populace.

[Cheezits]

A Japanese pantheon would be cool, and it would be fun to see Vulpera tied in with a more developed kitsune race being their origin.

Also leaning into Japan would be a nice way to diversify Tel'abim from full-on Arabian Nights. So far the only real Japanese-themed race is Ankoan Jinyu (Nelves are Korean).

[Khaza-R]

Having a continent appear out of the mists for a 3rd time would be plain stupid IMO. "Lol again?, sure hahah".
I can't really see Avaloren be more than a patch zone later on in the expansion, but we'd have to see.

No more silly than Kalimdor being forgotten and untouched for thousands of years because reasons

A Japanese pantheon would be cool, and it would be fun to see Vulpera tied in with a more developed kitsune race being their origin.

Also leaning into Japan would be a nice way to diversify Tel'abim from full-on Arabian Nights. So far the only real Japanese-themed race is Ankoan Jinyu (Nelves are Korean).

Personally I don't get why people think Tel'abim is even inhabited. Let alone has some advanced civilization.

K'aresh seems like a far more likely setting for a pseudo-Arabian themed expansion.

[Plehnard]

Also leaning into Japan would be a nice way to diversify Tel'abim from full-on Arabian Nights. So far the only real Japanese-themed race is Ankoan Jinyu (Nelves are Korean).

Nelves aren't Korean, they have some influences of that but their main thing is more Celtic/Germanic.
There's a reason all their World trees are names are named after the Germanic Yggdrassil

[Ateo]

Why is it no one else understands that when we get light vs void, were also getting naga again?

The naga in the latest patch all talk about giving themselves to the void to join Azshara. This is a dead hint that azshara is coming back soon and so will Yrel.

The two will be involved heavily. Probably in ways no one thinks such as actually aligning with one of them, and this could also take place on azeroth in the new Avaloren zone. There are so many ways we could end up actually getting a lot of our requests all at once, a lot like legion did for so many players.

After dragonflight I can see blizzard going hard in pandering to fan favor. The best way to do that is new race, world revamp, bring back a bunch of big names that left us hanging. I can't wait for blizzcon.

[Foolicious]

I'm sorry if I missed the conversation. But, do any of you know what the dragon soul/demon soul/whatever you prefer device that Iridikron is using to scoup up Galakrond essence in the Megadungeon is from?

I'm sorry for being daft I am just kind of flabbergasted that just popped out of nowhere.

(Just trying to factcheck myself as I try to understand what's up.)

No we don't. The three possibilities i see the most often are its some sort of prototype dragon soul that stems from the black empire or the old gods. This could even be something like Xal'atath, but thats very unlikely.
Maybe Iridikron forged a dragon soul himself or got it somewhere(sometime?) with the help of the infinites.

But as with everything that involves the incarnates we have no idea. I guess we find out when we encounter iridikron next.

[Nymrohd]

Personally I don't get why people think Tel'abim is even inhabited. Let alone has some advanced civilization.

Someone is picking up and loading all those bananas.

[guro-tchai]

Someone is picking up and loading all those bananas.

world of warcraft: united in fruit
a story about the evils of colonialism with nightsquall as the new liberation icon
you heard it here first

[huth]

Someone is picking up and loading all those bananas.

Clearly, it's inhabited by sapient bananas who are sending their children out into the world to find new places to settle. And they're starting to wonder why so many of them don't come back...

[Ersula]

Imo Avaloren
11.0 Pirates
11.1 Odyn
11.2 Local Old God
11.3 Something with local Titan Tech/Azshara

This basically proves Avaloren will be the location of 10.3 as the long standing tradition of Blizzard taking something that could have been the basis of an entire expansion & cramming it all into the final patch:

Argus
N'zoth's invasion of Azeroth
Zereth Mortis

[Nymrohd]

This basically proves Avaloren will be the location of 10.3 as the long standing tradition of Blizzard taking something that could have been the basis of an entire expansion & cramming it all into the final patch:

Argus
N'zoth's invasion of Azeroth
Zereth Mortis

Haha. Well if you followed the thread my original hypothesis is that we will go to Avaloren in 10.3 which will have part of the continent that is outside the shield.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Haha. Well if you followed the thread my original hypothesis is that we will go to Avaloren in 10.3 which will have part of the continent that is outside the shield.

Except Argus would of been mostly a lot of Fel and ugly rock. N'zoth invasion of Azeroth would be hard to pull off worldwide(Cause the old world is decently sized lets all be honest).


ZM being a whole expansion.....


Hehe..... I won't go there.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I don't know, the whole turning expansion concepts into major patches are just not good for the longevity of the product and honestly it has just lessened the potential experience of experiencing the environments that people wanted full fledged expansions centered around instead while devaluing the property.