The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

I very much doubt that.

As the thing is more or less a Naaru ship, the interior would look the part.
And we haven't really revisited that aesthetic since BC, only briefly touched upon in Legion.

Good point. It would be the first version of an HD Naaru ship dungeon.

[Kiivar86]

For anyone interested, it seems there's translatable text in Hallowfall.

Basically there's a legend that matches up to the english alphabet and at least one book object that you can read if you know how it works (not read as in your character can read the object but you the player). Furthermore, the book object got updated. Reads now as follows:

In the __2nd year of glorious dominion, his Holy Radian, Emperor Thoradin __, by sovereign edict, did ordain the assembly of the Hallowfall expedition to traverse the Storming Sea.

The blanks are because they can't figure out most the numbers.

Wonder what else could be found.

[Scyth]

It would be a huge missed opportunity if they don't do anything with the crystal imo. Surely it's there for a reason.

[Cheezits]

For anyone interested, it seems there's translatable text in Hallowfall.

Basically there's a legend that matches up to the english alphabet and at least one book object that you can read if you know how it works (not read as in your character can read the object but you the player). Furthermore, the book object got updated. Reads now as follows:

In the __2nd year of glorious dominion, his Holy Radian, Emperor Thoradin __, by sovereign edict, did ordain the assembly of the Hallowfall expedition to traverse the Storming Sea.

The blanks are because they can't figure out most the numbers.

Wonder what else could be found.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Thoradin

So the most recent Arathi emperor is named Thoradin like the old emperor, or the expedition travelled through time..? Wasn't that an old theory?

[huth]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Thoradin

So the most recent Arathi emperor is named Thoradin like the old emperor, or the expedition travelled through time..? Wasn't that an old theory?

You say that as if it was unusual for Monarchs to reuse names.

[Cheezits]

You say that as if it was unusual for Monarchs to reuse names.

It's not, but isn't the big secretive evil(?) emperor character, whose name I believe they have been hiding from dialog, reusing the name of the only really relevant Arathi character a little uncreative?

I think the idea of them being teleported through time (through Beledar) was posited before and this could be a nod towards it.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It's not, but isn't the big secretive evil(?) emperor character, whose name I believe they have been hiding from dialog, reusing the name of the only really relevant Arathi character a little uncreative?

I think the idea of them being teleported through time (through Beledar) was posited before and this could be a nod towards it.

Thoradin's Arathi are very different from the Arathi we see in Hallowfall. It's pretty difficult to reason that the ancient Stromic people were anything like this. Plus, they weren't all half-elves, nor was the original Thoradin known for visions from the Light.

[Golden Yak]

I'm stuck now on the idea of Xal'atath drawing all the blood of the Old Gods together to build a body for the dark power in the Void Heart.

Whether it's Galakrond or Yogg-Saron or something else. Galakrond would be kinda cool, I imagine him getting a visage form, but one with wings - he's so monstrous he can't disguise it completely. He just emerges as this monstrous draconic humanoid. A vessel of hunger to consume the Worldsoul for the Void.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Whether it's Galakrond or Yogg-Saron or something else. Galakrond would be kinda cool, I imagine him getting a visage form, but one with wings - he's so monstrous he can't disguise it completely. He just emerges as this monstrous draconic humanoid. A vessel of hunger to consume the Worldsoul for the Void.

If this were to be the case, I'd prefer it to look sort of like those decoys made of prey some trap spiders use. It would fit with the arachnid themes of the expac.

[Khaza-R]

I am curious if we will see more of Irdikron in TWW. Something most people don't seem to be discussing.

We know the general outline of their plan. Question remains, even should Xal'atath be successful and the Titans return to stop the corruption of Azeroth. How does Iridikron plan on taking them on? He's not even a match for a single titan. Let alone the whole pantheon

[Golden Yak]

I am curious if we will see more of Irdikron in TWW. Something most people don't seem to be discussing.

We know the general outline of their plan. Question remains, even should Xal'atath be successful and the Titans return to stop the corruption of Azeroth. How does Iridikron plan on taking them on? He's not even a match for a single titan. Let alone the whole pantheon

Don't be too sure. Remember they all got the crap kicked out of them and are really weak as of Legion - we fought and defeated Aggramar, that was the degree of power he had at the time, the other Pantheon members were all pretty much in the same boat. And they've been keeping Sargeras under wraps since then. That could easily be used as a reason for why they aren't up to full strength.

I do hope we get signs of Iridikron building up for the inevitable confrontation. He needs to be putting together some kind of army, something way beyond the Primalists.

[Kiivar86]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Thoradin

So the most recent Arathi emperor is named Thoradin like the old emperor, or the expedition travelled through time..? Wasn't that an old theory?

The expedition time traveling was a theory at one point due to some of the magic involving the Bereldar looking kinda sand-y but I think that's a bit of a crackpot theory in the long term, it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to be time-displaced, honestly.

It's not, but isn't the big secretive evil(?) emperor character, whose name I believe they have been hiding from dialog, reusing the name of the only really relevant Arathi character a little uncreative?

I think the idea of them being teleported through time (through Beledar) was posited before and this could be a nod towards it.

Eh I don't think its that weird, after all they're using the Arathi name too which was just one Tribe after all. Makes sense that they'd seek to use the name of the big, famous leader of their people too.

Plus its not like this is the first lore-important name thing they're using like this, Faerin Lothar after all.

[Nightshade711]

I am curious if we will see more of Irdikron in TWW. Something most people don't seem to be discussing.

We know the general outline of their plan. Question remains, even should Xal'atath be successful and the Titans return to stop the corruption of Azeroth. How does Iridikron plan on taking them on? He's not even a match for a single titan. Let alone the whole pantheon

Personally don't think we will see a whole lot of him in TWW outside of a cameo. I expect him to show up in force at the end of Midnight / intro to TLT. (Depending on how the story with the titans will actually go)

Speaking of returning characters, I am curious though if we ever will see Denathrius again and when that might happen.

[huth]

It's not, but isn't the big secretive evil(?) emperor character, whose name I believe they have been hiding from dialog, reusing the name of the only really relevant Arathi character a little uncreative?

I think the idea of them being teleported through time (through Beledar) was posited before and this could be a nod towards it.

It's perfectly in line with real world uses of such names. Especially when somebody is trying to aggrandize themself. They're already using the Arathi name for their empire, the emperor naming himself Thoradin is just the egotistical cherry on the narcissist cake.

[Scyth]

I am curious if we will see more of Irdikron in TWW. Something most people don't seem to be discussing.

We know the general outline of their plan. Question remains, even should Xal'atath be successful and the Titans return to stop the corruption of Azeroth. How does Iridikron plan on taking them on? He's not even a match for a single titan. Let alone the whole pantheon

I'd like to see a scene with him and Xal discussing their plans or showing him do something to prepare for when the Titans arrive.
I'm not really sure they will show him at all in TWW though, it will probably be Xal only.

[Lahis]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Thoradin

So the most recent Arathi emperor is named Thoradin like the old emperor, or the expedition travelled through time..? Wasn't that an old theory?

His name has a number in it, so he is the nth Emperor named Thoradin.

[Enrif]

For anyone interested, it seems there's translatable text in Hallowfall.

Basically there's a legend that matches up to the english alphabet and at least one book object that you can read if you know how it works (not read as in your character can read the object but you the player). Furthermore, the book object got updated. Reads now as follows:

In the __2nd year of glorious dominion, his Holy Radian, Emperor Thoradin __, by sovereign edict, did ordain the assembly of the Hallowfall expedition to traverse the Storming Sea.

The blanks are because they can't figure out most the numbers.

Wonder what else could be found.

Now that's some interesting stuff. Their calendar shows less then 1000 years. The fracturing of the original Arathi empire happend over 1200 years ago. So they either changed their calender a long time after the empire crumbled, or, more likely, when they begun their "dominion" in the new lands they occupy. So they spend likely ~200-300 years on the new continent before they conquered it i would imagine, or when the light has become important in their empire.

If i look at the timeline to see if something mayor lines up with that timeperiod:
975 BDP - War of the Shifting Sands - Old God forces and night elves, with involvement of dragons, especially bronze.
823 BDP - The Avatar of Sargeras is deafted by Aegwynn.

The Avatar of Sargeras could certainly have kickstarted some light forces interest to warrant the creation of a "army of the light" based in Azeroth.

[Makorus]

I am curious if we will see more of Irdikron in TWW. Something most people don't seem to be discussing.

We know the general outline of their plan. Question remains, even should Xal'atath be successful and the Titans return to stop the corruption of Azeroth. How does Iridikron plan on taking them on? He's not even a match for a single titan. Let alone the whole pantheon

Doubt it. The cinematic in DF pretty much was a subtle "Well, good bye, you wont see me until TLT!". We might see some "flashback-esque scenes" or short appearances of him to further his plans, but I doubt even that.

And I think his character has been written in a smart enough way that he knows that he will be able to "defeat" the Titans somehow.

I mean, he never said he would kill them. For all we know, he could trap them in the Titan Containment Devices they trapped him in, essentially taking them out of the equation.

[huth]

Now that's some interesting stuff. Their calendar shows less then 1000 years. The fracturing of the original Arathi empire happend over 1200 years ago. So they either changed their calender a long time after the empire crumbled, or, more likely, when they begun their "dominion" in the new lands they occupy. So they spend likely ~200-300 years on the new continent before they conquered it i would imagine, or when the light has become important in their empire.

If i look at the timeline to see if something mayor lines up with that timeperiod:
975 BDP - War of the Shifting Sands - Old God forces and night elves, with involvement of dragons, especially bronze.
823 BDP - The Avatar of Sargeras is deafted by Aegwynn.

The Avatar of Sargeras could certainly have kickstarted some light forces interest to warrant the creation of a "army of the light" based in Azeroth.

Probably when the new Arathi empire consolidated and organised itself, which may well have happened some time after they fully colonised the place. And a few bloody wars.

[Aucald]

One strange critique I've found myself having multiple times now during my TWW Beta experience is that I feel there are actually too many treasures littering the zones - they're fair to bursting at the seams with treasure spawns of all kinds. Now I've been a strong proponent of the whole zone treasure thing ever since it became something of a mainstay in MoP, but the density of treasures throughout the Ringing Deeps, Hallowfall, and Azj-Kahet drives me near to distraction when I'm en route to a given quest objective, Delve, or what have you.

Does anyone else have this particular problem?