The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

At least someone wants to contribute to speculation on upcoming patches/expansions in the patch/expansion speculation thread! Thank you.

I am of the opinion if we get 3 major content patches, then the Incarnates storyline within this expansion will be wrapped up and put on the back burner for future stories.

Definitely think the last patch will be Alex/Reds vs Titan Keepers. A full blown Titan raid in Tyrhold/Uldorus would be a lot of fun. Tyr, Odyn and resurrected Archaedas and Ironaya as potential bosses could be very cool. Possibly one of those “heretics” that make their home on Avaloren too? Would be a pretty cool precursor for what’s to come.

I assume we wouldn’t get an extra zone though if the last raid took place here, unless Uldorus was large enough and diverse enough to be both a raid and world content.

Possibly some world content in the Dragon Isles with Titan Keepers, constructs and Valarjar attacking?

I would have thought the same but we already fight Tyr in the Megadungeon so it would be weird to have him again as a raid boss this Expansion.

[Jastall]

You do recognize that they would have liked to have 1 year cycles if they could to sell you the expansion box every year without problems internally?

Whatever is within the time period of the "two year cycle" will always be valued less than the sales pitch of the next expansion.

They tried that once with WoD and immediately abandoned the notion when it became clear their team couldn't possibly keep up.

You've no clue what maintenance mode is if you think a game that gets significant content patches every two-three months after an expansion releases is in it.

[Zardas]

Would certainly be interesting to see what’s there. It could lead to Uldorus

Uldorus is Tyr's Hold.

[Santandame]

Uldorus is Tyr's Hold.

Aye, but if Uldorus is Azeroth’s equivalent to Antorus, then it leads to believe that it’s at the centre of Azeroth, which Uldaman isn’t too far from. Uldorus could be huge, spanning underground from EK to the DI’s, with Tyrhold just being a part of it.

That is pure conjecture on my part though of just ruling what could be cool.

Or it could lead to Uldaz? That’s a titan facility we haven’t explored yet. Although Blizzard may want to save that for a future expansion and have it on Avaloren, or even Tel’Abim or Undermine as it sounds a bit more tropical.

[Aucald]

This thread isn't about microtransactions, business practices, and/or marketing demographics. There are plenty of threads already discussing these topics, so please take these topics elsewhere as they're not relevant, and often contribute to derailments.

[Santandame]

I would have thought the same but we already fight Tyr in the Megadungeon so it would be weird to have him again as a raid boss this Expansion.

I guess the difference would be that the Tyr we fight in the mega dungeon is Infinite corrupted whereas the one we would fight in the main timeline would be the standard Tyr, likely powered up on some Order magic but I see where you’re coming from.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the last raid will be heavy titan themed so just for fun I’m going to throw out some predictions for possible bosses.

Ironaya & Archaedas as a duo fight
Chromatus
A new race that represents the “heretics” from Avaloren
Tyr
Odyn
Some sort of council fight similar to the SL Eternal Ones from Sepulcher where we fight titan constructs of the Aspects, either in the dragon forms, proto drake forms, or visage forms.

[Darkarath]

Seeing how we're all under the belief that 10.2 will be Emerald Dream related - IF we get a 10.3; where do we see it taking place and what will the story be tied to there?

I'm leaning more towards 10.2 being the final patch of the main story of Dragonflight. If that's the case, then I think it'll be Iridikron and Decay invading the Dream and us teaming up with the Red & Green flights.

I think that there is no chance that 10.2 is the final patch of DF or the final patch of its story. We are going to get to 10.2 with all the Incarnates alive. Clearly the main threath right now is Fyrakk.

If 10.2 is Emerald Dream related and the new tree is born, Fyrakk has to be the final boss. He has been the focus of 10.1 while Vyranoth has been the less developed Incarnate. Highly doubt that we will deal with her in 10.2.

Iridikron is a different beast completely. We know that he is after the different cosmic / elemental forces, and Decay is just the first one. He is going to survive this expansion, and I am pretty sure that Vyranoth will also get alive to 11.0.

In fact after 10.2 or even 10.1.5 dungeon, I do not expect to see much more of Iridikron. He has created enough distractions so that he can start raising a Decay army, starting with Raszageth corpse.

If we do get a 10.3, then 10.2 I think will be Vyranoth assaulting the dream, with only the Green's helping us. This free's up the final patch being centered around the Reds - if thats the case what would the content be? Avaloren? I'm more resigned to believing Avaloren would be future expansion content, but I wouldn't put it past Blizz to make it patch content. Either way, I think it'll be heavy Titan themed, the Reds taking centre stage.

I do not see how Avaloren could fit into this expansion. Avaloren is more Titan related and high tech themed from what we know of it. This is the Dragon themed expansion, not the Titans / Keepers one.

I agree with the Reds being the main focus of 10.3, and probably Murozond would be the main baddy. The zone of 10.3 is a huge mystery, though, maybe a time related plane?

Now if 10.2 is indeed the last patch, and 11.0 is a revamp (doubt but I'd be all for it), then I could see 10.3 being a time skip and giving us the updated old world for some world content and to get characters levelled up, introducing new class/race combinations, and possibly some allied races.

I do not see this happening. I expect 10.3 to be its own thing like 10.1 and 10.2, and if 11.0 is a revamp there is 0 chance that they would revamp the world (the main selling point of such an expansion) before 11.0 is live.

On that subject, if 11.0 is indeed a world revamp, which zones/sub-continent do you see being the main expansion levelling zones? Lordaeron or Southern Kalimdor I guess would be the frontrunners if Blizz went down this route.

I hope that Blizzard learn from past mistakes and make all zones relevant. If a revamp happens there should not be leveling zones for new players. New players and max players should share the same campaign and level in the same zones, which have to be relevant at max level too.

Alternatively, what about another Cataclysm situation with the main levelling zones being newly introduced spread out zones? Lets say, Tel'Abim(still think there's legs there to be its own landmass for an expansion), Undermine (same as Tel'Abim), Zul'Dare, Balor, Northern Lordaeron?

Spreading zones is a mistake. Blizzard said so themselves with Cataclysm and yet they repeated the same mistake with SL. A cohesive continent is far superior than disjointed zones.

[Santandame]

I think that there is no chance that 10.2 is the final patch of DF or the final patch of its story. We are going to get to 10.2 with all the Incarnates alive. Clearly the main threath right now is Fyrakk.

If 10.2 is Emerald Dream related and the new tree is born, Fyrakk has to be the final boss. He has been the focus of 10.1 while Vyranoth has been the less developed Incarnate. Highly doubt that we will deal with her in 10.2.

Iridikron is a different beast completely. We know that he is after the different cosmic / elemental forces, and Decay is just the first one. He is going to survive this expansion, and I am pretty sure that Vyranoth will also get alive to 11.0.



I do not see how Avaloren could fit into this expansion. Avaloren is more Titan related and high tech themed from what we know of it. This is the Dragon themed expansion, not the Titans / Keepers one.

I agree with the Reds being the main focus of 10.3, and probably Murozond would be the main baddy. The zone of 10.3 is a huge mystery, though, maybe a time related plane?



I do not see this happening. I expect 10.3 to be its own thing like 10.1 and 10.2, and if 11.0 is a revamp there is 0 chance that they would revamp the world (the main selling point of such an expansion) before 11.0 is live.



I hope that Blizzard learn from past mistakes and make all zones relevant. If a revamp happens there should not be leveling zones. New players and max players should share the same campaign and level in the same zones, which have to be relevant at max level too.



Spread zones is a mistake. Blizzard said so themselves with Cataclysm and yet they repeated the same mistake with SL. A cohesive continent is far superior than disjointed zones.

I’m not sure about Fyrakk biting the bullet there. We’ve already had a heavy fire themed patch this expansion, and fire assaulting the Dream would feel similar to Hyjal in Cataclysm.

Ice assaulting life instead would be a stark contrast and provide us with some awesome visuals and a nice change of pace. I’d much prefer to see an icy winter forest in the Dream than a burned forest.

I’m of the belief that all three remaining Incarnates will survive the expansion though.

Iridikron is being set up for a huge overarching antagonist role, similar to what we’ve seen of Sargeras, N’Zoth, Kil’Jaeden, Gul’dan etc. I think he’ll be around for a long time to come.

Fyrakk I see assimilating within the remains of the Twilights Hammer as well as whatever’s going on within the Firelands with the place in chaos and those rogue Dark Iron’s trying to resurrect Ragnaros. There were a lot of similarities pointed out between him and Deathwing in 10.1, so I feel like he’s going to be his spiritual successor so to speak. He’s essentially a gigantic fire dragon who’s infused with the void and wants to cause destruction. Also think he’ll team up with Xal’atath potentially in the future too.

Vyranoth is the wild card. She could lead the remnants of the Primalists forces in the future, helping to keep them relevant as a future threat. Alternatively I wouldn’t be too surprised to see her defect from the Primalists after seeing how far fallen both Iridikron and Fyrakk have fallen. Whether that means she become a full blown ally or more a neutral party and sometimes apprehensive ally remains to be seen.

Either way, if we do get a revamp in the future, I can see Vyranoth and Fyrakk being notable supplements to it by providing some new threats for the overall world and zones, as well as dungeons etc.

[Zardas]

Aye, but if Uldorus is Azeroth’s equivalent to Antorus, then it leads to believe that it’s at the centre of Azeroth, which Uldaman isn’t too far from. Uldorus could be huge, spanning underground from EK to the DI’s, with Tyrhold just being a part of it.

That is pure conjecture on my part though of just ruling what could be cool.

It would indeed be cool, and I hope so too. As good as the halls of infusion are, it would be a shame if Uldorus is just one dungeon.

Or it could lead to Uldaz? That’s a titan facility we haven’t explored yet. Although Blizzard may want to save that for a future expansion and have it on Avaloren, or even Tel’Abim or Undermine as it sounds a bit more tropical.

Honestly, they could pull any titan facility we've neve heard of out of their ass without issues.

[Darkarath]

I’m not sure about Fyrakk biting the bullet there. We’ve already had a heavy fire themed patch this expansion, and fire assaulting the Dream would feel similar to Hyjal in Cataclysm.

Ice assaulting life instead would be a stark contrast and provide us with some awesome visuals and a nice change of pace. I’d much prefer to see an icy winter forest in the Dream than a burned forest.

I’m of the belief that all three remaining Incarnates will survive the expansion though.

Iridikron is being set up for a huge overarching antagonist role, similar to what we’ve seen of Sargeras, N’Zoth, Kil’Jaeden, Gul’dan etc. I think he’ll be around for a long time to come.

Fyrakk I see assimilating within the remains of the Twilights Hammer as well as whatever’s going on within the Firelands with the place in chaos and those rogue Dark Iron’s trying to resurrect Ragnaros. There were a lot of similarities pointed out between him and Deathwing in 10.1, so I feel like he’s going to be his spiritual successor so to speak. He’s essentially a gigantic fire dragon who’s infused with the void and wants to cause destruction. Also think he’ll team up with Xal’atath potentially in the future too.

Vyranoth is the wild card. She could lead the remnants of the Primalists forces in the future, helping to keep them relevant as a future threat. Alternatively I wouldn’t be too surprised to see her defect from the Primalists after seeing how far fallen both Iridikron and Fyrakk have fallen. Whether that means she become a full blown ally or more a neutral party and sometimes apprehensive ally remains to be seen.

Either way, if we do get a revamp in the future, I can see Vyranoth and Fyrakk being notable supplements to it by providing some new threats for the overall world and zones, as well as dungeons etc.

I understand your point about Vyranoth being the main baddy of 10.2 and is a valid one. But Fyrakk is literally burning the Dragon Isles. He has to be terminated right now. I think that Vyranoth would be related in some way though. After all, she is the only Incarnate that has not been powered up yet, and she might find something in the Emerald Dream while we fight Fyrakk.

I do not think that all the remaining Incarnates will survive 10.0. It was a pitty that they killed Raszageth so quickly, as she was pretty cool, although I understand that her death fitted the plot perfectly. We have these three remaining Incarnates and they are teasing us with them all the time, it would be a huge surprise if all of them get to 11.0. I would love it though, I am enjoying them, especially Fyrakk. I find him very amusing, but I just do not see him leading any army. He is fucking crazy, he just want to destroy things, he does not seem to have any other objective. Chances are that his need for destruction is increased by the Shadowflame infusion, so that is why I believe that, sadly, Fyrakk will be gone by 10.2.

BTW as I side note, after this week questline, I see the Drakonid as an Allied Race at some point during DF. IMO they are been heavily teased.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It also isn't really good to have a proto drake or even dragon infused with Shadowflame on the loose. Deathwing couldn't handle it, Fyrakk is doomed to go insane.

[huth]

Spreading zones is a mistake. Blizzard said so themselves with Cataclysm and yet they repeated the same mistake with SL. A cohesive continent is far superior than disjointed zones.

I don't think SL is the same thing. The zones are still directly connected with one another with nothing else in-between. Cataclysm zones had multiple other zones.

Besides, a single contiguous world wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense in SL.

[Berkilak]

Disregard. Just read the moderator note.

[Telogrus]

Anyone else think that we'll probably get a 2 boss, Crucible of Storms-esque mini-raid in 10.1.7? Igira (the last Djaradin Elder) and Fyrakk would be the two bosses.

Imo, this would be the best way to conclude Season 2, which is supposed to be the Black Dragonflight's season. Fyrakk has been set up as the main antagonist for the Black DF in this expansion. A large part of the 10.1 questline was us and the Blacks trying to stop Fyrakk. Having the newly appointed Black Dragon Aspect (Ebyssian) and his two lieutenants (Wrathion and Sabellian) work together (with our help) to take down Fyrakk would make a lot of sense. Though I'd also expect that Iridikron comes in at the end to siphon the large amount of Shadowflame that Fyrakk absorbed into his Dragon Soul-like device that he used to siphoned Galakrond's Decay essence

I think this season could also benefit from a challenging mini-raid, given how easy Aberrus is.

[Luck4]

I know it may sound weird, but there were two fake leaks that I remember very fondly:



This one was extensively discussed and investigated back in the day, and many people started to get excited, but someone found the DG artwork hosted on Devianart.



This one was quickly dismissed, but I was so invested in it that I only lost my hopes when 9.2 was announced.

Good memories. I expect lots of fake leaks that'll hype me this year due to WoW's 20th anniversary.

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Anyone else think that we'll probably get a 2 boss, Crucible of Storms-esque mini-raid in 10.1.7? Igira (the last Djaradin Elder) and Fyrakk would be the two bosses.

I DEARLY HOPE we're not getting another Crucible of Storms. It's the only CE I missed since Sha of Fear and Empress.

I even joined a top 200 Guild that was 1/2 M to be able to kill Uu'nat only to find out two weeks before 8.2 that we weren't going there to finish him off.

[Chickat]

You do recognise they immediately acknowledged that their one actual attempt at doing so was a complete disaster and have completely abandoned the idea since?

I think you overestimate how much money they actually make on expansion boxes compared to subs.

Eh id say they make around 250-400m dollars on the box every 2 years. That pays for all development and marketing for 2 years. The sub and microtransactions at that point are pure profit.

[Scyth]

I’m not sure about Fyrakk biting the bullet there. We’ve already had a heavy fire themed patch this expansion, and fire assaulting the Dream would feel similar to Hyjal in Cataclysm.

Ice assaulting life instead would be a stark contrast and provide us with some awesome visuals and a nice change of pace. I’d much prefer to see an icy winter forest in the Dream than a burned forest.

I’m of the belief that all three remaining Incarnates will survive the expansion though.

Iridikron is being set up for a huge overarching antagonist role, similar to what we’ve seen of Sargeras, N’Zoth, Kil’Jaeden, Gul’dan etc. I think he’ll be around for a long time to come.

Fyrakk I see assimilating within the remains of the Twilights Hammer as well as whatever’s going on within the Firelands with the place in chaos and those rogue Dark Iron’s trying to resurrect Ragnaros. There were a lot of similarities pointed out between him and Deathwing in 10.1, so I feel like he’s going to be his spiritual successor so to speak. He’s essentially a gigantic fire dragon who’s infused with the void and wants to cause destruction. Also think he’ll team up with Xal’atath potentially in the future too.

Vyranoth is the wild card. She could lead the remnants of the Primalists forces in the future, helping to keep them relevant as a future threat. Alternatively I wouldn’t be too surprised to see her defect from the Primalists after seeing how far fallen both Iridikron and Fyrakk have fallen. Whether that means she become a full blown ally or more a neutral party and sometimes apprehensive ally remains to be seen.

Either way, if we do get a revamp in the future, I can see Vyranoth and Fyrakk being notable supplements to it by providing some new threats for the overall world and zones, as well as dungeons etc.

I also think having Vyrannoth attack the dream will be better than Fyrakk doing so and at least slightly different to what we have so far.
If that is indeed what they end up going with for 10.2 though, what happens to Fyrakk then is what I'm not sure about. Could be both of them will be active during 10.2 but only one ends up as a boss, that being Fyrakk probably.

I don't know if I am confident enough to say all remaining Incarnates will make it into the next xpac but I am like 90% sure Vyrannoth and Iridikron will live.

Would love to see Fyrakk remain sane even though he is high on Shadowflame and not got insane as Deathwing did.

[Raetary]

Ye, i don't get why people think Fyrakk will be the Dream antagonist when its the Frost related Primalist that are the ones infiltrating and working on dismantling the dream.
I'd even say they very clearly foreshadowed Vyranoths involvement in the next World Tree stuff with the 10.1 trailer.

[Berkilak]

Anyone else get the feeling that this whole dragonkin rebel questline is just setting the groundwork to give us playable dragonkin? Most likely Drakonid?

[micwini]

Anyone else get the feeling that this whole dragonkin rebel questline is just setting the groundwork to give us playable dragonkin? Most likely Drakonid?

No, not at all