The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

it always surprises me people still have this take. havoc hasnt been a simple class since dragonflight came out. its been one of the harder melee specs to play ever since.

Max efficiency havoc is complex but I'm fairly sure it's still one of the smallest dps rotations.

[doledippers]

Max efficiency havoc is complex but I'm fairly sure it's still one of the smallest dps rotations.

its really not man, lol. you use immo aura, vengeful retreat, fel rush, felblade, sigil of flame, eye beam, essence break/glaive tempest, chaos strike, blade dance, and the hunt rotationally, all while lining up micro burst windows and needing heightened positional awareness because of how much you are moving

ur just working on like 3 year old information honestly

[micwini]

its really not man, lol. you use immo aura, vengeful retreat, fel rush, felblade, sigil of flame, eye beam, essence break/glaive tempest, chaos strike, blade dance, and the hunt rotationally, all while lining up micro burst windows and needing heightened positional awareness because of how much you are moving

ur just working on like 3 year old information honestly

I feel like they've made a lot of simple spec too complex the past few expacs. Arcane, DH and then most recently frost mage with the rework. Simple specs are fine and needed. Not everyone wants to play an advanced level piano rotation.

[Darkarath]

how is nobody talking about the state of DH on beta right now lol. last class to receive 0 substantial changes, both hero talents are a complete mess with no VFX, the balancing is horrendous, the gameplay/rotation is the least fun its ever been, and there's just nothing week over week. Pre patch is in like 3 weeks and this class isn't even close to shippable, its very concerning.

and just to address this before someone inevitably brings it up, 10.2 was not a rework. in fact the dev working on it specifically said to not refer to it as a rework. it was mostly focused on shuffling around talents and trimming 2 point nodes to fix pathing issues.

so yeah im pretty doomer about DH right now

I enjoy DF's DH so the less changes the better. But I agree that Hero Talents overall seems like a system not ready to be implemented. I hope that these are the basic version and that they get improved over time, because as of now they seem pretty bad.

[Makorus]

So Blizzard revealed a 15m Gorehowl statue in China.

The kicker? It's not "normal" Gorehowl, it's yellow, glows and is called "Lightforged Gorehowl".





(The second image is of the inflatable one they are giving away to people visiting)

Surely that can't be a coincidence?

[Ochinko]

Its Netease who made the statue as a form of "resurrection" of the old one they smashed.

Could be some secret hint for the future, could also be nothing at all.

[allegrian]

Didn't AU garrosh join Yrel's lightforged army?

[Makabreska]

Didn't AU garrosh join Yrel's lightforged army?

He did that back in Mag'har AR quest line back in BfA. Was Netease tipped off by Blizz that LF army is coming, or is it a coincidence/artistic change?

[milkmustache]

He did that back in Mag'har AR quest line back in BfA. Was Netease tipped off by Blizz that LF army is coming, or is it a coincidence/artistic change?

This feels like it's too on the nose to be anything coicidental.

I'm sure in some form it's just a nod to (AU) Garrosh and Gorehowl as they're fan favorites, but...

This close to the big Light vs Void battle? Garrosh here for Renilash, mark it.

[micwini]

Still waiting for the taxi driver profession if we're going to speculate based off of monuments/statues...

[Eldryth]

Didn't AU garrosh join Yrel's lightforged army?

Not quite. AU Garrosh was never born, iirc Kairozdormu intentionally chose a timeline where his mother died childless to avoid there being a second Garrosh.

Instead AU Grom had a son with a different mother after WoD. He joined the Lightbound, and is known only as Exarch Hellscream- his first name was never revealed but shouldn't be Garrosh unless Grom decided to name him after our Garrosh. But he should be a distinct character, just as Geya'rah isn't AU Thrall.

I guess he could still have a Lightforged Gorehowl though. I think Grom still had Gorehowl during the Mag'har unlock scenario, but there's a good chance he died immediately afterwards, so Yrel could have given it to his Lightbound son.

[Golden Yak]

Woof. What a ridiculous situation.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Instead AU Grom had a son with a different mother after WoD. He joined the Lightbound, and is known only as Exarch Hellscream- his first name was never revealed but shouldn't be Garrosh unless Grom decided to name him after our Garrosh. But he should be a distinct character, just as Geya'rah isn't AU Thrall.

At least it means this heroic warrior of the Light won't get chucked into his soul self-destructing as soon as he awakens in the soul-grinder.

Midnight login screen will be purple orb in purple background to fit with the established WSS login screen theme.

We could go simpler. Maybe it could just be a white napkin with "MIDNITE" written on it in purple crayon.

[Cheezits]

Whoever Exarch Hellscream is he will be a What If Garrosh equivalent. They are just clearing the name so they aren't saddled with those player expectations.

Just like Geyarah is "Not Thrall" but it's pretty often forgotten that's her deal.

If this is revealed so early, maybe Yrel is related to the TWW Megadungeon? Maybe Beledar reached out to them?

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Are they INSIDE Beledar??

[Scyth]

how is nobody talking about the state of DH on beta right now lol. last class to receive 0 substantial changes, both hero talents are a complete mess with no VFX, the balancing is horrendous, the gameplay/rotation is the least fun its ever been, and there's just nothing week over week. Pre patch is in like 3 weeks and this class isn't even close to shippable, its very concerning.

and just to address this before someone inevitably brings it up, 10.2 was not a rework. in fact the dev working on it specifically said to not refer to it as a rework. it was mostly focused on shuffling around talents and trimming 2 point nodes to fix pathing issues.

so yeah im pretty doomer about DH right now

It's pretty odd considering how many weeks they've spent on some classes. I doubt DHs will see anything before a x.0.5 patch.
DH players just aren't as vocal tbh, look at Hunters and Shamans as an example. DH playerbase is also a lot smaller so naturally that means it's easier for Blizz to ignore them.

I played a lot of DH since Legion but stopped with DF, class just isn't fun for me anymore tbh. It's all felt the same for so many expansions now, although you could probably say the same for others too lol

[milkmustache]

Are they INSIDE Beledar??

I think Beledar crashed around the time of the Cataclysm, so 15 years ago. They'd need a long time's amount of stocks to survive.

What an insane spin that would be. Honestly, I think that would be awesome. Maybe there's something to it as well to lessen the implied xenephobia of the Arathi. Seeing Draenei, Orcs, Arrakoa, Ogres, whatever climb out of this thing you praise may change your worldview a bit, try to invite all races to Avaloren once the storms clear or they remember how to teleport there.

[Cheezits]

I think Beledar crashed around the time of the Cataclysm, so 15 years ago. They'd need a long time's amount of stocks to survive.

I was thinking more that they may be trapped in stasis. The ship seems to have crashed and lodged in Azeroth, so its initial purpose could be delayed and the expeditions true purpose could be to open up the ship and get the passengers to Avaloren. The "Emperor's Vision" could be Yrel?

This could all be a crazy leap based on the Light Gorehowl, and it could just be a Midnight thing, but it would definitely explain the mystique of Beledar and how it could be a megadungeon. Go in there and rescue the secret crew from another dimension that was sent here to do Stuff.

Also the fact its turning to Void could lead to some passengers going crazy and us having to kill the Naaru inside.

[Skytotem]

A thought: Some folks haven't been super juiced about the new goblin direction in the short story with them being less environmentally destructive and dystopian-ly greedy, but with Noggenfogger working more closely with Gazlowe... might this finally be the time for Goblins to make use of their alchemy racial and do a big focus on propagating scientific horrors to deal with the Botani using chemicals and such alongside their existing machines to help fix things they damage?

[Viridiel]

So Blizzard revealed a 15m Gorehowl statue in China.

The kicker? It's not "normal" Gorehowl, it's yellow, glows and is called "Lightforged Gorehowl".

(The second image is of the inflatable one they are giving away to people visiting)

Surely that can't be a coincidence?

Shouldn't it be Lightbound? Lightforged doesn't make any sense unless the Armies of the Light merge and for some reason the MU one takes over despite being in a weaker position. Could be a mistake or it could be the indication that it's fluff and isn't meant to have any relationship to the actual plot. Or it could actually indicate the merging of the Armies.

[Eldryth]

Shouldn't it be Lightbound? Lightforged doesn't make any sense unless the Armies of the Light merge and for some reason the MU one takes over despite being in a weaker position. Could be a mistake or it could be the indication that it's fluff and isn't meant to have any relationship to the actual plot. Or it could actually indicate the merging of the Armies.

I thought that Lightforged is a more general term for anyone that was infused with Light like that, but I don't remember if it was ever explicitly said either way.

So the army we know from Argus was the Army of the Light, the AU faction is Lightbound, but both are Lightforged even though they're unaffiliated.