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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    No you can't. Unless you wow token into balance. Which would cost millions. An amount that would be far less if it wasn't walled in a realmoney shop. Hello? Hello?

    Keep trying, you're just talking yourself into a corner.
    Having things ingame behind real money transactions, ruins experience for normal players.
    No? There is literally no difference between you having to buy the token with 300k gold and turn it into balance for a mount in the store and having to buy a rare mount with gold from the BMAH ingame (besides the fact that everyone can get it and you dont have to fight against others). I mean, any of the modern gold sink mounts cost more than any store mount currently does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    "I-It's not as bad as game launches a decade ago!" is a cute deflection, but really not the counter-argument you think it is. No wow expansion since maybe MoP has had worse server issues at launch than D4 did. People were unable to play for a good 12 hours across the first two days and it had constant queue and instability problems for weeks after launch.
    Besides that it sounds like you're describing 10.2.7, that wasn't what happened. Me & my friends were all playing regularly during that first day & throughout the first week, in stark contrast to launches without early access like Overwatch, Diablo 3, Season of Discovery were most people would not get a chance to log in during the first 24 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Roger View Post
    pre-orders ship this month bois

    stoked for the extra goodies and for the key to use in a giveaway and artificially boost my engagement on social media
    dont they usually let you plug the key in for a refund of your original TWW purchase?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Besides that it sounds like you're describing 10.2.7, that wasn't what happened. Me & my friends were all playing regularly during that first day & throughout the first week, in stark contrast to launches without early access like Overwatch, Diablo 3, Season of Discovery were most people would not get a chance to log in during the first 24 hours.
    Well if you and your friends say so, I guess it must be true. Nevermind all the @BlizzardCS updates about authentication servers being screwed for hours, or the forum posts about broken and 3 hour long queues even days after late access, or the account servers struggling to keep up with players such that even 3 days post EA people still couldn't log on because the game thought they hadn't bought it. Or the people still being kicked off the servers and unable to rejoin 3 days into EA.

    I mean, the forums and reddit even during EA were full of people worrying about the fact that servers were already unstable just from the EA population, but no. You're right. Early Access totally prevents server overloads. I mean D4 wasn't even as bad as a game released in 2012! So that must mean the EA is fixing problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    No? There is literally no difference between you having to buy the token with 300k gold and turn it into balance for a mount in the store and having to buy a rare mount with gold from the BMAH ingame (besides the fact that everyone can get it and you dont have to fight against others). I mean, any of the modern gold sink mounts cost more than any store mount currently does.
    You realize the wow-token works both ways right?
    The thing is: The more people buy these items with real money OR by proxy via wow token, will make them do it more often, which will lead to stuff getting locked behind it more often. It's just gear now, but it will eventually become more and more 'base' cosmetics like customization and even playable races if it continues. They will do it, if enough people buy it. Unfortunately, just a handful of whales is enough to make it profitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    You realize the wow-token works both ways right?
    The thing is: The more people buy these items with real money OR by proxy via wow token, will make them do it more often, which will lead to stuff getting locked behind it more often. It's just gear now, but it will eventually become more and more 'base' cosmetics like customization and even playable races if it continues. They will do it, if enough people buy it. Unfortunately, just a handful of whales is enough to make it profitable.
    And even if they bring in new races via the shop, would that be so bad? You are already paying for new races via expansions anyways, new races in the shop would just mean more new niche races that never would have made the cut. That said, I doubt they will do that as they will use allied races to beef out minor patches, imo, so it's just fearmongering on your part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Don't start acting like you have the memory of a goldfish. The Diablo 4 launch day gridlock was extremely minor compared to Blizzard's track record. Diablo 4's launch day was in every way like a WoW-patch release day, rather than a new blizzard game launch, where its typical that most people don't even get to play it.

    The 3 day early access was a great idea.
    Maybe they should space it out even more then, allowing the costliest edition in 5 days in advance, the middle version 2 days in advance and the rest on release day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    And even if they bring in new races via the shop, would that be so bad? You are already paying for new races via expansions anyways, new races in the shop would just mean more new niche races that never would have made the cut. That said, I doubt they will do that as they will use allied races to beef out minor patches, imo, so it's just fearmongering on your part.
    wait and see. Its always fearmongering, until it happens. Just like they put tendies in the shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    wait and see. Its always fearmongering, until it happens. Just like they put tendies in the shop.
    It's been almost 15 years since the introduction of cosmetics for real money. I think its time to let go of the narrative that the ingame shop will ruin cosmetics for everyone soon(tm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    It's been almost 15 years since the introduction of cosmetics for real money. I think its time to let go of the narrative that the ingame shop will ruin cosmetics for everyone soon(tm).
    But they already have made game economies worst. Like, there is plenty of games where you can buy cosmetics that you can't get for free, that's not acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    It's been almost 15 years since the introduction of cosmetics for real money. I think its time to let go of the narrative that the ingame shop will ruin cosmetics for everyone soon(tm).
    tenders being added has only been recent. And it's already gotten worse over time. "Oh, guys it is just one mount...." I remember that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    wait and see. Its always fearmongering, until it happens. Just like they put tendies in the shop.
    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    It's been almost 15 years since the introduction of cosmetics for real money. I think its time to let go of the narrative that the ingame shop will ruin cosmetics for everyone soon(tm).
    I wouldn't call it fearmongering to acknowledge the fact that that the suggestions people are actively making right now would change that. Yes, so far the in-game shop is tolerable, but that will only remain true so long as they stay far away from paid Battle Passes.

    I hadn't really dealt with a game that revolves around Battle Passes until Diablo 4, but it completely ruined it for me. See, I liked Diablo 4's gameplay (after the latest season's fixes at least), but I couldn't motivate myself to keep going because of the Battle Pass. Selling standalone cosmetics is one thing, I can ignore that, but effectively holding the rewards you actually earn through gameplay hostage unless you pay real money for it before the end date... it makes me not want to bother at all, and as far as I can see, that is the one and only difference between Battle Passes and some of the reward systems we've already had in WoW. Like Renown (especially the Plunderstorm reward track). And there is simply no benefit to it for the players, just charging real money for the stuff you're already earning.

    I'd also strongly disagree with selling races by themselves. It'd just be an extra charge for something that could be a selling point for an expansion or a patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The-Shan View Post
    dont they usually let you plug the key in for a refund of your original TWW purchase?
    they do but 90 in credit does little when thanks to blizzcon last year my sub is paid for 4 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    tenders being added has only been recent. And it's already gotten worse over time. "Oh, guys it is just one mount...." I remember that.
    i'm not sure what you are talking about, but tenders so far are pretty good. You get every month a few free cosmetics, and if you don't like anything you can safe them for later
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    Anyone here pre ordered Chronicles? Share if you can once it is out please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    i'm not sure what you are talking about, but tenders so far are pretty good. You get every month a few free cosmetics, and if you don't like anything you can safe them for later
    Those items could have been items that you can get as quest rewards, we only being able to buy some of them, and for a limited time is not a reason to rejoice.

    And I believe he is referecing the Oblivion horse, which is generally regarded as the first microtransaction in gaming : in 2006, Bethesda introduced a new horse armor into their game Oblivion, available by paying 2$. At the time, some people thought that it was fine and not a big deal, after all it's just a horse, and it's just 2$. Well, look where we are now...

    That's why we musn't forget, and why we need to remember that any form of paying cosmetic in a game, especially a non-free game, is absolutely unacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Roger View Post
    they do but 90 in credit does little when thanks to blizzcon last year my sub is paid for 4 years
    How did Blizzcon pay your sub for 4 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    tenders being added has only been recent. And it's already gotten worse over time. "Oh, guys it is just one mount...." I remember that.
    They literally stopped putting tenders in the store after the backlash they've received?????

    The last bundle with tenders was added almost a year ago at this point, and there's been plenty of sets and bundles in the store since lmao. Plus, there were two bundles.

    In fact, we've received more free extra Tenders than paid Tenders. (500 through the 12 Month achievement, which was hotfixed in afterwards, and 750 through Plunderstorm).
    Last edited by Makorus; 2024-07-05 at 12:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    They literally stopped putting tenders in the store after the backlash they've received?????
    And they never adjusted the Trading Post pricings for it. The rewards still cost like we could buy Tender packages from the store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    And they never adjusted the Trading Post pricings for it. The rewards still cost like we could buy Tender packages from the store.
    People keep saying this, but you were never meant to buy out the entire store in a month. You can either buy 1 or 2 of the really expensive items, or 5 or so of the cheap items with the 1000 possible monthly tenders. That's never changed. All that's happened is they've increased the selection over time.

    Generic roleplay transmogs: 50 tenders
    Weapons & Armor 100-250 tenders
    Pets: 500 tenders
    Recolor ground mounts & 3 piece sets: 500 tenders
    Recolor flying mounts & 4 piece sets: 650 tenders
    Unique ground mounts: 650 tenders
    Unique Flying mounts 800 tenders
    Unique back transmogs & 5+ piece sets: 500-800 tenders

    These price-points haven't changed since the trading post started.
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